Yfw you ask native speakers for help with their language

>yfw you ask native speakers for help with their language
>yfw they start making fun of you for making mistakes

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who would dare

>an american tells me that he is learning Russian
>tries to speak it
>produces utter gibberish
>"so, how's my Russian?"
>he is so excited
>trying not to laugh in his face
>"wow, you are really good, keep it up"
Why do sharts learn Russian? And why are you so fucking bad at it?

they want to yell at cs:go

why do americans play bad games

i don't play cs:go, im not a fag

>why are you so fucking bad
Because they don't need to learn a second language early on in their education, which means that their grasp of linguistics tends to end up lacking.

>Why do sharts learn russian
they got tired of not learning japanese and want to waste their time not learning a new meme language

It's funny when American or English tourists here try to pronounce our words. For example the word "tregoj" they pronounce it as "chregoj".

They don't seem to have any problems with learning Spanish or French. Chinese can learn Russian, Arabs can learn Russian, Europeans can learn Russian, Africans from the deepest jungles of Congo can learn it, but I'm sure there isn't a single american who can say a coherent sentence in Russian. I wonder if it is psychological.

Please don't read this. You will be kissed by the love of your life on the nearest Friday. However, if you do not repost this on 3 other threads, you will die within 2 days

This is exactly why I'm too chicken shit to practice my Russian.
>speaking completely broken unintelligible Russian

The Americans who learn Russian do so because it sounds nice and because you guys have fantastic literature.

Could be any number of reasons, grammatical differences, pronunciation etc.

>be me
>about 10 years ago
>(14 years old)
>try to voice chat with some Americans to brush up my English skills
>try to use some verb but forget what it's past form is
>(let's say it's the word "swim")
>say "what's the present perfect of 'swim' again?"
>American chimps out
>LOL WHATS A PRESENT PERFECT, WTF IS THIS GERMAN GUY SAYING

i now realize i was talking to middle school drop outs

>going to americans for advice on speaking English
I'm not sure what you were expecting.

>friend was a huge Francophile
>finally got her dream to join an exchange program to France
>practiced the language whenever she could
>one day at a cafe in Paris
>Parisian turns around from his seat
>says (in English) "Stop speaking my language."
>other encounters with rude/dangerous people in Paris eventually made her come home and stop being a francoboo

I like when it happens to be honest.

It teaches our people (especially the whimsical women) to have tempered expectations about the West and Westerners.

She's since come back and become more nationalistic.

oh wow you are so smart

It's parisians especially that are huge cunts with french learners not the western people, they generally tend to be more comprehensive while parisians never miss an occasion to behave like cunts

Is that her? She's cute. I thought all Thai women look like men. Maybe I should visit.

Around westerners never relax.

I envy them. Why can't Italy be like Paris made country????

>try to practice Spanish
>mexican acquaintance overhears me
>can barely contain his laughter
>says I'm saying a sentence wrong and sound like a heavily accented retard
>also says I made a vocabulary error
>writes down a corrected version
>tells me to say the "correct version"
>mfw I repeat it and he laughs even harder with another mexican and says that I just asked to sick his dick or some shit, can't remember, too angry

FUCK FOREIGNERS, THE ECON DEGREE IS NOT WORTH THIS SHIT.

desu in High School we didn't go that in-depth into the English language it's self

I was posting in /esp/ earlier today and besides being called a dirty south american by one dude, it went pretty smoothly. No one even pointed out my mistakes. Unfortunately, this doesn't help you learn.

Why would you think that?

Even the ones who are men often don't look like men.

>Chinese will actually help you learn in return for helping them learn
>Just stay the fuck away from women
>French cunts just want to practice their own native tongue
>Have to practice with Africans and minorities who never learn English grammar on their own

The Germans in /deutsch can be mean if you make vocabulary or grammar errors ...

You'll make strides if you actually talk to native speakers alot.
I spent alot of time in teamspeak with bongs while playing games and it helped my English immensely.

So now you sound like an Arsenal hooligan?

Met some american mormon missionaries recently. Very nice people
They've been in Poland for few months and apparently im the best english speaker they have met so far. Makes me both proud and embarassed for my country

No, my baseline accent is vaguely posh.
I'm quite familiar with chav speak though.

I still play video games in French whenever I can. Sure, it has helped me greatly with my reading comprehension, but I can still hardly speak a lick of it.

I've been told listening and occasionally singing along with music can help. Anyone know any actually good French music?

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These are my favorites.

Also this

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>>Chinese will actually help you learn in return for helping them learn
that's why I like the chinese
If you go to China and just say 你好 in some cities that's enough to have a load of people come and take their picture with you. You'll get a load of people complementing your Chinese, and you'll often find students want to improve their English with you and they're more than happy to help you improve your Chinese

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Thanks for the recommendations, la famille.

Were they two young men, and do you live near a student dormitory?
Because a while ago, two young American mormons approached me too. They spoke rudimentary German, though.

There were three of them but one of them is a Pole guiding them around. I met them on a train while i was going back from my university in Wrocław ( that's Breslau for you :P ) .

I met one on the buss a few years ago.
I think I might have been one of the first he tried to proselytize because he seemed really awkward about the whole situation.

>reading words you don't know out loud

> but I'm sure there isn't a single american
That's fucking retarded, of course there are Americans who can speak Russian. It would be absurd to project your anecdotal experience as being true across the entire population of the US.

Wow he actually came up to you?
I was the one who started conversation since I was curious if they were british or american ( can't tell accents apart ). I told them I was a fedora tipper and they invited me a to a meeting where a bunch of them learn polish and prey.
Even got a little leaflet and their phone number.
I might go just to improve my english and lols

>try to practice a sentence with a native speaker
>he laughs at me and then kicks my ass

>learn polish and prey
>prey
I really hope this is just a spelling error.

>Wow he actually came up to you?
No, I started talking to him because he was strangely well dressed for someone taking the buss.
Turned out he barely knew a word of Swedish so I gave him some pointers and accepted one of his bibles just to be polite.

Don't enable people who suck or they will never improve.

>Swedes
>talking to strangers in public

>Swedes
>being Finnish

You should check out Alcest

I was a naive country boy at the time, it hadn't yet dawned on me how malicious most city people are so I didn't feel all that uncomfortable talking to strangers for no reason.

Wtf, how do anglos not know of their own languages' tenses??
We learn the Croatian ones in like year 2 of elementary school, and the english ones in maybe year 4.

>
>In-depth
>Present perfect

I can't remember, it's not like our grammar is that complicated anyhow. I don't have to think about it at all just write what feels right. I wouldn't be able to explain how to speak English on a 'scientific' level at all tbqh.

Wouldn't even know what a tense was if I hadn't studied other languages.

I like when they speak or try to speak, and i lmao when they say crap, or when i tell them to say crap and they do - like when english speakers say "dick" in portuguese trying to say "bread". The guy on the subway said "i would footlong like italian cock", and i keked hard

I can see learning grammatical shit like present perfect being useful if you go on to learn another language

In my highschool, you had to study a language for the first three years but we only had an hour a week of class time and the teachers didn't really give a shit. I did German for three years and French for a year because I was in the top class for German, and if you were in the top class for one language, you had to do the other language.
Nowadays, my ability to speak French and German is limited to a handful of phrases, and it wasn't much better when I was studying them.

Unless you go to a school that specialises in languages, go to university, or get a private tutor, the teaching you will receive for languages in the UK will be shit

Yeah, but speaking a language is different. You don't think of a table of tenses when speaking. You say what sounds natural. This is the reason why practice makes perfect.

I was just amazed that you don't learn about your own native language in schools.

Apparently most Europeans also learn about their own language's rules
From what I've understood from

no one knows what shit like present perfect means unless they learn another language

That explains why rednecks and ghetto people in America talk the way they do.
You don't even learn your own language baka

We did do some study on language rules because it's compulsory.
But, when I've asked foreign friends and friends from the UK who have gone to Secondary Schools and Sixth Forms specialising in languages about their studies, they went much further in depth than I, or quite a few people who went to normal Secondary Schools went

>you will die within 2 days
if only

Linguistics are not very important in Anglo countries, except maybe Britain because of their proximity to hundreds of other languages just across the Channel.

Therefore, after middle school, we tend to forget all rules of syntax and verb conjugation, at least in the meta way of actually discussing them. We can say what the tense is but can't describe it.

In other words, from an American perspective, we can give you the answer without explaining it or having the linguistic word to describe it.

Trying to explain that 'gabagool' is actually a Sicilian phonemic transformation of the voiceless velar plosive /k/ and voiceless bilabial plosive /p/ to the voiced velar plosive Sup Forums and voiced bilabial plosive Sup Forums as well as a North American vowel change from the Italian/Corsican word 'capocollo' to my Italian-American family usually is just met with laughter and strange looks.

Thus, people don't learn it or merely forget it after middle and high school.

native english speakers don't need to learn what the names of tenses are to speak the language

>That explains why rednecks and ghetto people in America talk the way they do.
I think part of the reason is that English has no official regulating body.
French has Académie française, German has Rat für deutsche Rechtschreibung, and Spanish has Asociación de Academias de la Lengua Española. English has nothing. There's no one regulating the language.

So do you or do you not learn about (atleast) basic English language rules?

I'm confused now

Everyone learns about their own language, regardless if they can speak it oe not

Also, makes sense

Keep in mind you're talking to two people who received education in two different countries. I did learn some basic grammar rules of English, but that's it.

I know, but both the brit poster(s) and the amerifats seem to think that only foreigners learn about language rules.

Also, what did you even do in English class besides literature?
How can a school system regard their own language as not important?

I'm baffled, you anglos don't have english classes at school?
Even though I'm brazilian, I've always had Portuguese as a mandatory subject. It was where I learned how to speak properly, how to conjugate and write in an educated/professional manner. You really don't have this unless you go to a university?

Speaking as an American, I learned very basic English grammar in middle school, including how to write correct English, but after that most of it is forgotten because it isn't touched upon again.

In high school, learning grammar and proper tenses is shifted away from to mostly studying great works of literature in English from both sides of the Atlantic.

Overall, most speakers naturally know what sounds right and will say it, but I had no idea what a present perfect or past imperfect tense was until I studied Spanish. It's ironic, I had to study another language in order to found out linguistic terms for my own language. That is of course, until I got a linguistics degree in university.

vocabulary and writing papers

You have to understand that we're a country and people founded after colonialism, not one like yours that has basically been settled since prehistoric times where languages vary hugely between towns and massive cliques have grown. You have to study your own language in order to properly converse with your own people in different parts of the country. Same thing with german, french, italian, etc. They're all conlangs to an extant

It's been a few years since I finished Secondary School so I can't remember much of the content in English class. One thing I remember doing quite a bit was writing letters with the correct format and with correct English.
I don't know why the UK school system doesn't see English as important as other countries' school systems find studyingr native language important.

I think that one thing with English is that because it's a relatively basic language compared to other languages, we don't need to spend that much time on it. I had to google the word "conjugate" because I didn't know what it meant.

Yes and no.

After middle school (ages 12-14), there really is no formal training on English from a scientific standpoint (different tenses, correct grammatical structure, etc.). It is kind of expected that you already know it intrinsically.

But writing correctly is less focused on after middle school in favor of studying literature. Don't get me wrong, there are specialized high school courses like AP English Writing and Composition that teach you more in-depth grammar rules and tense conjugation, but they are not mandatory for the population as a whole. Of course, if you have good teachers they will berate you for making yourself look like an illiterate moron on your term paper for not having proper tense/spelling mistakes.

In university, yes a technical writing class is mandatory to make sure that you write professionally well.

>They don't seem to have any problems with learning French.
that's what they think

what ? i would have punched him in the face what a fucking cunt

>yes a technical writing class is mandatory to make sure that you write professionally well.
Not here
That's either because we receive better English education in Secondary School, or most universities here have lower standards.

You're still expected to write essays using perfect English. Foreign student's don't get a free pass either because a lot of universities have switched to anonymous marking, which means the assessor doesn't know who's paper is who until all of the papers have been marked and all of the grades have been recorded. Foreigners are expected to be able to write in perfect English from day one. Some assessors will let a few mistakes slide the first year, but after that you will get marked down for using poor English.

If you REALLY struggle with English because you've come from a 5th world shithole or Tyneside, you can take a one year course in essay writing along side your main degree, but I don't know anyone who's taken that course

Most Asian countries are amazed when you can pronounce something correctly in their language as a Westerner, since the disconnect between language families is so large. I especially get nice smiles when I pronounce a foreign name correctly at my part time job.

It's the same with Japanese people. Go to Japan and say a simple phrase and you will be mobbed.

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Well as a native English speaker you misspelled "prey" in that context.

"pray" = hopeful and usually silent wanting and wishing from an otherworldly being
"prey" = animal to be hunted and killed for food

But I laughed, so thank you.

Interesting, but still somewhat similar over here.

I dunno, maybe it's because we Anglos are just inherently more smug and confident with our language (despite it being a cumrag for about a dozen other languages over the centuries) that we expect you to know everything by college.

High school and especially below there is obviously a bit more leniency, though.

French '''''level of english'''''

Pot calling the kettle black here m8

> implying English native speakers don't do the same thing

>And why are you so fucking bad at it?
Anglos are generally really bad at new languages

>They don't seem to have any problems with learning Spanish
They're genuinely awful at it, even their teachers.

>Everyone is shitting at Anglos for sounding like crap
I know this may be crazy but have you ever thought that maybe we are just as bad while talking in English? I don't know, just putting it out in the air. I'm pretty sure we all speak 100% of the time in perfect English and no one has a displeasing accent at all

because we have nobody to practice with
my french is awful because its irrelevant

>paris
first mistake

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Sometimes I look into threads where people are discussing the English language but they always end up talking about concepts I didn't even know existed. Not gonna lie I just looked up what a bloody verb was because I forgot

Every non-British/Irish European I've either met slurs their speech horribly or has a nigh-unintelligible accent, with the exception of an Italian girl who sounded like a Texan, and never called anyone anything other than their name or "Partner"

I had the impression she was mocking us but I never understood why she thought the entire US was like Texas

Regardless, they know how to type English, and since reading has no notions of pronunciation, they can claim to be "English experts" despite perhaps being only conversationally literate at best

Honestly this is true for everyone everywhere that wasn't raised from birth to be multilingual