Hugh Jackman's The Wolverine Initially Had A Much Larger Role In X-Men: Apocalypse

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>"There was a version when he was going to come in at the midpoint of the film and be like the drill sergeant for the kids and take over as their leader," said Kinberg.

>However, that plan was scrapped as it

>>>interfered with the story arc for Jennifer Lawrence's character Mystique

>who has become a central figure in the X-Men movie franchise over the last three movies. "We felt like that stepped on [Lawrence's] role in the movie and becoming their leader," Kinberg said.

This triggers my nerdrage.

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I'm actually ok with this, I prefer Wolverine the mercenary or the reluctant anti-hero far more than a version in which he functions as a leader for the youthful X-Men.

In the best X-Men movie so far, in my opinion, X-2 although he genuinely cares about the kids and the group--specifically Jean--he spends most of the film doing his own thing. He works best that way desu

yeah, he's not really the leader type. But Jlaw sure as hell isn't either, and losing screentime to make room for her is never a good thing.

This, it's a stupid reason to reduce him to a cameo, but I prefer himself as a cameo to a role like that.

>implying Based Jackman should be in such shitty movies

No doubt, I also preferred Mystique having a much smaller role rather than being the glue that binds Charles Xavier and Magneto together. But I understand it, Jennifer Lawrence is an A lister and top Hollywood earner, you can't reduce her role at this point. I imagine if Marvel had kept Terrence Howard as War Machine he'd be getting a lot of unnecessary screen time as well due to Empire's popularity.

But her acting in this was so terrible
>I'm not a hero, don't call me a hero
>I'm not an inspiration, don't call me that
>I'm going to be deadpan the entire time to show how jaded I am even though my role in this movie is to make an appeal to someone's emotions so that he doesn't kill basically everyone

The worst part is that Charles barely put up a fight against apocalypse
I'm just waiting for the
>JEAN HELP ME
edits

>Mystique main stage
>fucking Jlaws Mystique main stage

Mystique was always in it for herself. Making her the good guy was such a dumb decision

Could there be any worse time to be an x-men fan? The comics have been shit for quite some time, the new movies are very hit or miss, and no good cartoon since evolution, andf even that took some time to get good.

Jennifer Lawrence ruins everything

>the best X-Men movie so far, in my opinion

He was referring to X-2

Since when is Mystique so important? I always thought she was more like a secondary character

Since they cast Jlaw and she got fucking huge

>Mystique a hero in the movies
>a twohundred+-timing backstabbing cunt in the comics

bravo multiverse

>We could've had a better movie

I'm glad it bombed

I haven't watched X-Men movie since Last Stand.

Why didn't they make this bitch play Emma Frost? She is a teacher in the comics right?

They probably intended for Days of Future Past to be a direct prequel to the previously released X men films, Frost wasn't a part of those but Mystique did play a pretty big role in the three movies IIRC.

Its basically the same issue with Halle Berry as Storm, but at least Storm was one of the primary leaders and teachers in x-men in the times xavier wasnt around

Well I mean we don't really know what was all retconned by the end of DoFP. They could have done anything they wanted.

My apologies I meant First Class

They worked with a hostile actor and just wrote her attitude towards the franchise into her character.

The movie was alright, but it would have benefited from having more of Wolverine and less of everything else.

>Wolverine got pushed away because of JLaw

Haven't seen Apocalypse yet. What's Wolverine's role/cameo in this one?

That makes more sense, though, I do wonder why they felt the need to keep her more or less a hero. They could have included her more while also leading her down a path that is more inline with what we see in the first X-men movie. They definitely seemed to be doing it in First Class.

Why couldn't they bring back the woman who played Mystique in the first movies instead of that sack of lard that can't act? The original Mystique was great.

I disagree user, if Wolverine just doing his own thing was a good plot then X-Men Origins:Wolverine and The Wolverine wouldn't have been so boring

no it's not

He breaks out from the facility where they implant the adamantium skeleton in him, kills a bunch of people, then runs away.

I'm pretty hyped for the R-rated third Wolverine flick after this, desu. Here's hoping it doesn't go to shit in its' third act like "The Wolverine" did

Yeah, even more because this is Jackedman's last appearance as Wolverine, hope they don't fuck it up.

Those movies are terrible though, and not as a result of the fact they center around Wolverine working independently.

wolverine has been overused but his role in DOFP wasnt too bad, I'd prefer him over Mystique any time, but both characters are overused

Magneto could've been that drill sergeant, have him and Charles managing the X-Men together. Make Magneto have a favorite disciple that gets killed saving a human that doesnt deserve to be saved, like Stryker or something. Or they save a human but fail to save others and the public doesnt appreciate that fact and hates on the X men for it.

I would only have liked to see this because all the other X-Men got their actual costumes this time around so I want a Wolverine costume. Yes, even if the movie suffered. It already isn't that good so can you blame me?

Even before the third act its really only passable. There is a lot of potential to take the character in serious and dramatic places they clearly weren't touching before that movie fell apart.

I miss original Mystique, her character had surprising depth considering she was basically an extended cameo in the original trilogy, unfortunately I doubt she'd still be able to convincingly play a completely nude immortal woman at the age of 43

Any chance of seeing Deadpool in this? I imagine he could jump in and out of time lines as he wishes. Even a cameo would be nice. Just want to see Jackman and Reynolds together (in the flesh) before either of them leave this franchise.

i dont understand the credit of First Class show Emma Frost is recruited by Magneto but so far she's not appearing in 2 next flicks

They pay him too much to quit. he'll just switch to doing cameos in the main series

I don't get it. DOFP ended perfectly for Wolverine to be set up as one of the Four Horsemen. Wolverine as a villain would have been something we hadn't seen before and something new for Jackman to bring to the role.

But no, Singer has always had this raging nerd boner for Mystique. Which was fine when she was a cool (but OP) femme fatale played by Rebecca Romijn. But giving Lawrence this huge role she clearly isn't invested in was a terrible idea.

Hey guys, sorry about that whole "helping an eons old super tyrant commit genocide" thing, but hey, at least I changed my mind literally the moment it looked like my side was going to lose, yeah? I can join your club now right?

No woman in an X-Men movie is allowed to be prettier or more important than Jennifer Lawrence, judging by Wolverine's role being cut apparently no man is allowed to be prettier or more important than Jennifer Lawrence either

It really bombeo? I have not been aware of the latest news ...

Neither of them should have stepped up to lead the Xmen. It should have just been Cyclops taking the initiative.

wolvy being a horseman would also give a good excuse for the government to catch him and lock him up

only issue is how you write him to be beaten, fans wouldn't like wolverine being a jobber

It's amusing that you think Lawrence would even give a shit about the size of the role, or whoever else they cast, or the quality of the script. She literally looks like she's being forced to be an actress at gunpoint. Haven't seen that since Natalie Portman in Thor 2.

Haven't seen it yet but does cyclops at any point take any sort of leader role?

Yeah towards the very end he's doing leaderish type shit. Mystique is still super obnoxious in the film though, if any other actress was portraying her then she wouldn't have been shoehorned into being an xman.

I'm ok with this, it was the wolverine show for too long. Huge Jackman was the perfect wolverine but it needed to stop

JLaw looks like she's being forced to be an actress at gunpoint in almost all of her roles tho, lets be honest she only cares about her huge(yet apparently not gender equal) paycheck

$80 million four day weekend. DOFP opened on the same weekend in 2014 and made $110 million. Apocalypse had a smaller budget than DOFP, though ($175 million vs $200 million). It isn't going to "bomb" but it isn't going to make as much as the last X-Men movie.

I haven't watched any x- men movies since x-men: apocalypse, how bad are the new ones?

>implying it wasn't Based jack and Based Stewart and Based McKellan that made the movies not shitty in the first place

they're okay

currently it's:

Marvel - great
Fox - okay
DC - wtf

Jackedman has enough pride and decency as an actor to want to go out on a high note.

Besides, he has an ungodly amount of money already, why would he need more in cameos?

Also, internationally it has made half of what DOFP did.
At this trend, it's barely going to surpass 400 million, but not by much.

I was always of the belief, provided there was no logical basis for it, that an older Hugh Jackman would star in a film based on Old Man Logan or something

You underestimate how aggressive actors are about ensuring that they always get the biggest, most important roles even if they don't give a fuck about the movie itself. This goes double for high-profile actresses pressuring production to not hire any other actresses that are younger or prettier than them. Part of the reason Megan Fox didn't have much of a career in Hollywood is because almost every other actress refuses to work with her.

Having based Fassbender as a leader type in these movies instead of JLaw would've been so amazing. The X-Men movies that could've been, as opposed to what we have, is just so disappointing

But it's not so bad, right? I just want to see the Legion series that has been teased by some news sites for some time now...

>Let's cut out Jackman and Wolverine for more JLaw


The fuck are they so in love with her? She's the worst thing about the new x-men movies.

I'm sure the success or failure of Apocalypse will have little bearing on whether or not Legion happens. Fox apparently had to do some pretty serious dealing for it to even be a possibility.

He wouldn't be beaten. Like Storm, he'd probably just switch sides and become a good guy again in the end.

I think it would have been cool if Apocalypse was the one to intervene at the Weapon X facility during Wolverine's escape/rampage and recruited him there.

It's just a letdown after DOFP.
DOFP was quite unique, and this one is just a generic bad guy all over again.

>It's amusing that you think Lawrence would even give a shit about the size of the role

Holllywood actors and their agents are perfectly willing to start shit because the names on the poster isn't arranged to their liking. WHy do you think Lawrance is any different? You think she just accidentally ended up in some of the biggest movies of our time?

>Part of the reason Megan Fox didn't have much of a career in Hollywood is because almost every other actress refuses to work with her.

No, she shot her career in the foot when she called Michael Bay Hitler. Bay didn't even care, but Spielberg was the producer on those Transformers movies and he told Bay to fire her. You don't piss off one of the most powerful Jews in Hollywood and get to have a career still.

Also, she can't act for shit.

thing is jlaw wasn't huge when she signed up for the xmen movies. she then got huge and can basically star in any movie she wants. so from her point of view, it better damn well be worth her time to sacrifice time to be in capeshit

Its entertaining but its pretty average
For all the talk of JLaw being a central figure in the film...she (oddly enough) isn't. The character of Mistique kind of looms as an idea in the background, but doesn't really take center stage.

I think Cyclops/Jean/Xavier do more in the film than Mistique (if memory serves)

>The fuck are they so in love with her?

She sells tickets user.

There is literally nothing that suggests JLaw was hard to work with in this movie. You're literally making up facts to support your argument.

She doesn't even want to be in these movies. If Fox had offered her a way out of her contract, do you think she would have kept the role just because it's a big summer blockbuster a lot of people will see?

Fox is probably about to back a garbage truck full of cash into her driveway to get her to star in a few more of these. She won't, though.

But Apocalypse is projected to make less than 500 million though.

>X-Men is my favorite comic franchise and is the only one I'll watch
>50% chance at any moment the movie will be great
>50% it will be shit

Fuck it hurts. Just watched DOFP and the Wolverine this weekend and I could use some more Fassbender Magneto in my life.

She got paid $500 000 for HG 1 and $10 000 000 for HG 2, with all that equal pay bullshit X-Men must be paying her a fucking mint

>Mystique doesn't appear in the DoFP happy future scene
>She could still bite the dust

Please, Fox.

Then why aren't tickets fucking selling famalam?

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>>"There was a version when he was going to come in at the midpoint of the film and be like the drill sergeant for the kids and take over as their leader," said Kinberg.
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>>However, that plan was scrapped as it
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>>>>interfered with the story arc for Jennifer Lawrence's character Mystique
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>>who has become a central figure in the X-Men movie franchise over the last three movies. "We felt like that stepped on [Lawrence's] role in the movie and becoming their leader," Kinberg said.


Not to defend Lawrence taking over but that wouldn't have made a ton of sense. Leading the X-Men isnt where Wolverine is at at this point. Remember, this isn't DoFP Wolverine who is wise and learned from Xavier. This is a Wolverine who doesn't know who these fuckers are and doesn't give two shits about anything other than fighting and getting laid.

She was locked into a three picture deal since First Class. When she signed that, she wasn't a big star so I'm sure Fox got her cheap. I'm sure she got paid more for this than she did First Class, but probably not much more, and definitely not as much as she could command by signing onto a movie right now.

Franchise fatigue combined with shitty reviews and no Wolverine (at least not in a top billed role). Also, the film never really recovered from early negative buzz surrounding Apocalypse's appearance.

What will this be about? The time line is all fucked. Unless it takes place after 2023, we will never see the original Wolverine again. This will be the alternate Wolverine that we've basically never seen before and is totally undeveloped.

Also, anyone else think it's fucked up that Wolverine prime takes over this one's mind at the end of DoFP? This basically kills alt-Wolverine but prof X doesn't even give a single shit.

Ah who am I kidding, they're just going to ignore DoFP

You're right. Reviews actually matter for these tentpole summer movies.

X-Men was never that huge and only really positive buzz like for DoFP will put butts in seats.

>What will this be about?
Prof X/Wolverine buddy-cop movie. It does take place in the future/present. Probably 15-20 years after the DOFP epilogue.

That sounds rad as fuck but prof X will literally be 100 years old by then. Plus, adding 20 years to the DoFP epiligoue will push this into cyberpunk territory.

Wait, that could be awesome.

I would be down, tho. Could be a nice send off to both Wolverine and the older X-Men cast. I'd love to see Stewart play the happier future self with signs of McAvoy we see in the DoFP epilogue.

Jackman has hinted at them adapting the Old Man Logan storyline. I imagine most of the movie will take place in the Midwest, making the time period kind of irrelevant.

so the comics take place in present day right? do they still make Magneto a holocaust survivor?

I see. I also don't believe for a second Jackman is done after this. Actors quiting always are just used to sell more tickets. I bet you he shows up as a surprise in a future movie, especially since Jackman loves the role.

>The worst part is that Charles barely put up a fight against apocalypse
As it should be
Apocalypse should be as unstoppable as humanly possible

God this fucking series would be so much better without Jlaw
God I need a fucking timemachine so I can just fucking make her do porn instead of act and we wouldn't have to deal with her horrendous schlock

She has just as much screentime as Apocalypse
She's forced into so many fucking scenes
She's forced into helping Nightcrawler
She's forced into being the "leader" of the XMEN
She's just a fucking cancer that these movies never fucking needed
God damnit I hate her

My favorite comic book characters are Thanos, Darkseid, and Apocalypse
This movie did not disappoint me friendo
Apocalypse was absolutely fucking perfect
His voice was amazing, his lines were perfect, his mannerisms were on point, his motives were there, and his powers were top tier as fuck
Go out and see the movie tomorrow, it's great
I really don't understand why it's getting so much hate but it felt really good to watch. I could have sat through another 30 minutes of it

>Jackman loves the role

Without a doubt, but he's almost 50 and he's talked extensively about how the dieting and training for the role is beginning to adversely effect his health.

mystique had no story arc wtf lol

>some of the biggest movies of our time
JLaw has almost no screen presence whatsoever and nothing she has starred in will be remembered in twenty years. People on this board are so obsessed with capeshit they get bewitched into thinking it's serious cinema. These movies are disposable, hype-riding trash. They will be forgotten and so will Jennifer Lawrence.

>Ah who am I kidding, they're just going to ignore DoFP
I fucking hope so. That movie was an absolute mess canon-wise

Literally no one cared who she was until the Fappening happened. The fact is she's a hot girl -mostly due to the dead eyes and resting bitch face- who cannot act. She was built for porn.

why does mystique run around naked in the movies ?

>Kinberg

Why do Hollywood keep trying to force her down everyone's throats?