If Kyle Reese went back in time to knock up Sarah to make John Connor, how did John Connor exist in Kyle's time...

If Kyle Reese went back in time to knock up Sarah to make John Connor, how did John Connor exist in Kyle's time? Who's the father then?

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When we finally figure out how time travel works a lot of movies are going to seem really dumb

>you will never be this fucking dumb

Feels good man

It was always him.

You haven't said anything to suggest you aren't

But Kyle was born long after John.

>thinking time is linear

If you say so, dummy.

You're not thinking fourth-dimensionally!

But its pretty obvious, stupid.

DUMB. srsly tho you may be atupid. but thats ok. not everyone can be intelligent

Stable Time Loop.
The real question is, what would happen if Kevin didn't knock up Sarah?

You're literally an idiot.

Come with me if you want sum fuk bby

>Who's the father then?
Kyle.

Dude, time doesn't go from the past to the future. The time just is and all the shit exists simultaniously. Have you ever done psychtropic drugs?

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so kyle being johns father is possible

Sky net was the dad

The guy in the other thread was right; summer has started.

Sage all summer fags threads.

Kyle Reese is always John's father you fucking idiots. Skynet and John Connor only exist because of time travel due to a time loop.

This is all explained in the movie if you actually PAY ATTENTION

Kyle was born after John you fucking retards. It makes no sense.

Not OP, what's the other thread?
saged

yes

hence he goes back in time to impregnate sarah connor

Then how was John born in the first place?

There is no "first place", it's a loop

That makes no sense again. John would've had to have an actual father originally

A time traveller came from the future and fucked his mom.

Yeah, Kyle Reese.

KYLE WAS BORN AFTER JOHN

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Causal_loop

It's what's established in the movie, you fucking idiot

Why the fuck else would John Connor give a picture of Sarah, taken at the end of the film WHEN SARAH IS RECORDING MESSAGES TO JOHN THAT SHE IS GOING TO TELL JOHN ABOUT HIS FATHER, to Kyle Reese?

Skynet literally could not exist without the reverse engineered technology from the Terminator as established in T2

Stfu faggot

Everyone else stop responding.

The point is that John would've had an actual dad to begin with before Kyle came and made everything different, otherwise John wouldn't exist since Kyle was actually born much later

no :)

John Connor wasn't something that just happened. He was a messianic figure who was always meant to be the leader of the resistance. He was bullshitting when he said there is no fate, there definitely is fate and Kyle Reese was his father in every single timeline.

The paradoxical loop of Reese being his father is less of a problem when you realize that the time gods and/or robot Jesus ordained beforehand that the future would be saved in this very strange manner.

>to begin with

you're not getting it, faggot. There is no "first time", 1984 was 1984 and there was always a Kyle Reese sent back to past because he would be sent back in 2029.

>mfw people don't get basic time travel in Terminator

he went back to protect her not knock her up. John would have been born regardless of who the father is

>first john connor has actual father and was borne unto sarah connor
>first iteration of skynet attacks humanity
>first john connor becomes resistance hero and leader
>first iteration of skynet determines to put down humanities hero by killing his mother before he's born
>first generation of kyle reese era rebels send back kyle reese to protect sarah connor from the terminators attack
>from this point on in the time function kyle reese becomes john connor's father by impregnating sarah connor before she met the original father of the first generation of john connors
>the second generation of john connor is now destined to fulfill his role as humanities savior, but now enters into a causal loop as the first terminator is reverse engineered to create the second iteration of skynet
>the second iteration of skynet sets off the events of the first movie
>we watch the first movie from the point of view of the second generation of john connor and second iteration of skynet
>the second time function loops back into itself continuously

Alt time line got created

og time line Reese wasn't Johns father.
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>causal loop
No.

What was the line on Doctor Who, something about (something) Law states that a thing can exist without ever having been created.

Except John being the savior of humanity is entirely predicated on him having prior knowledge of Skynet and the terminators because his dad was Kyle Reese and Skynet cannot exist without time travel

>cannot exist without time trave
How so?

My nigger. Listen. In order for that to have even been possible, there would have needed to be an original timeline to start with. One with a reason to send back Reese in the first place. Before he was sent back, there is the original timeline. Kyle Reese didn't go back in time with the knowledge that this loop was going to be created. The reason he goes back is because skynet sends the terminator back in time to stop her from ever producing a John Connor to begin with. In order for this to be the case, there will have needed to be an original John Connor that wasn't Kyle Reese's kid.

the fact that the future can be rewritten disproves that senpai

Kyle Reese appeared out of the chaos vortex thinking he was from the future when really he wasn't, he just resembled the guy who is from the future and ended up replacing him. They have the same DNA though so it was always the same John Connor.

>problem solved

She would eventually have had a child.
Kyle is sent back because they know a terminator has been sent back
It doesnt matter who the the father is she will always birth a John Connor.

how are you this dense?
we understand where you're coming from but you refuse to see the real reason behind it and are instead fixated on trying to make your theory right.

LISTEN HERE FAGGOT

THERE'S MORE THAN ONE TIMELINE

OG TIMELINE
The day the terminator found Sarah she was going to go on a date. She would've fuck the guy and got pregnant with John.

T1 time line
The Terminator finds her stopping her from fucking that guy. She fucks Kyle and gets pregnant. It's not that hard to understand.

The future is not a continuum it can change.

I'm not even the guy you were arguing with. His shit just makes more sense than yours.

What if it was possible to enter a time capsule and travel 10 days into the future, would you be able to meet your future self? You disappear from the present when you enter the capsule so there shouldn't be a future self unless you returned into the present from the future. What if you met your future self and then simply refuse to return to the present? How would that work?

Because everything always happened.
Skynet always sends three Terminators back in time, one to kill Sarah and two to kill John.
The Resistance/John always sends Kyle to protect Sarah and two T-800s to protect John.
Judgement Day always happens, no matter what.

So James Cameron conceived of this story where the savior of humanity send his most trusted follower back in time, and the follower proceeds to wipe humanity's savior out of existence by impregnating his mother and fathering a new child who only succeeds at being the new savior because he has a 40 year head start over the enemy

Based Cameron.

I'm of the opinion that John Connor is different in every iteration of the Terminator universe. Every time we see a different actor, it's a different timeline and a different John Connor.

Only the first John Connor had to be remarkable. He became who he was on his own, then sent Reese back to protect his mother when Skynet sent back T800. Reese gets Sarah pregnant, but she now has foreknowledge of Judgement Day and is able to groom this new, different John Connor for his future role as resistance leader.

The initial rise of the first John Connor and sending back Reese provides the template for every new (and sometimes shitty, re: T3) John Connor to be raised to be prepared for Judgement Day and fulfill his purpose.

OP, this will explain it very clearly:

youtube.com/watch?v=JXJiSZhA5cg

Says who, Sarah Connor?
On what information does she make such an assumption?
Because they destroyed CyberDyne?

No the fact the future gets rewritten

The only time the future is ever explicitly rewritten is in sequels that werent made by Jim Cameron, retard

Because miles dyson and cyberdyne needed the chip from the terminator to create skynet?

Do you dumb fucks even watch movies

>would you be able to meet your future self?
No, because there is no future you, because the present you traveled forward in time.
You are your future you.

The future gets rewritten the second the Terminator gets sent back brah

>how did John Connor exist in Kyle's time? Who's the father then?
Kyle Reese

How about John doesn't fight Skynet then? That means they wouldn't send a Terminator back in time and wouldn't exist.

THEY'RE DIFFERENT BECAUSE OF THE BUTTERFLY EFFECT

This explains all continuity errors, too. Who knows how many different timelines elapsed in between the events of the adaptations and sequels?

Oh my god fucker no it didnt

Kyle reese fell in love with Sarah from the photograph that was taken at the end of the movie, John gave it to him because he knew it was what made him fall in love with her

How'd Judgement day get pushed back then? Wouldn't that have sped it up?
Really makes you think huh faggot

Think about it like the Lost episode, Whatever Happened, Happened

>The future gets rewritten the second the Terminator gets sent back
No it doesn't.
Kyle Reese was always John Connor's father.
John Connor always becomes the Resistance leader because of his knowledge of Skynet and the terminators that he accumulated through his mother and through his own experiences.
There was always a T-800 in 1984 and a T-800 and T-1000 in 1995.

Yeah, that would only mean that humanity is forever subjugated by machines and eventually killed off completely.
Great plan, user.

see

Judgment day is only established to have been "pushed back" in t3 dipshit

What if I return from the future into the present, live those 10 days normally, wait for my past self to appear in the time capsule and then shoot him/me in the head, what would happen then?

Oh you're doing the lalalalalawhatidontlikeisnotcanonlalalala thing

No, because Skynet wouldn't exist.

A time paradox.

Im saying that a movie made by James Cameron in 1984 is not beholden to a seqiel written and directed by different people 20 years later

If you actually watch t1 its clearly a loop

>Who's the father then?

Kyle Reese, dumbshit.

youtube.com/watch?v=iEpjgFZpAt0

That scene was deleted for a reason faglord

But by getting the chip and arm they progressed fast enough that they had T-800 designs as a proof of concept in 2003 instead of 2029 like in the future shots.

So what your saying is it's not canon? So I guess the future changed again huh

>american education
It's called PREDESTINATION, dumb hilly
Novikov self-consistency principle
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Novikov_self-consistency_principle
In such systems called temporal loops there is no need for the starting point and ending point cause they are one and the same point in time and space just observed from different angles. It's a matter of perspective.

The original John Connor was CGI created by Skynet who wanted an elaborate way to commit suicide.

>le time is a flat circle

where does the darkness go when light shows up?

this is the only answer.

John Connor remade himself into a better version.

whatever happened on the island stays on the island

What are you retard ? Only Kayle's time line is looping.

How did Kyle even get the picture when it could've only happened when he went back? This shit is full of plotholes.

Man the original sarah connor was qt as fuck

all of them

>If Kyle Reese went back in time to knock up Sarah to make John Connor, how did John Connor exist in Kyle's time? Who's the father then?

Follow the money.

Does this mean there are blacked timelines where John Connor is mixed?

It's actually not possible, thats why most of these time travel movies are retarded in the first place

It's not even funny at this point. It's not original. It's not witty. I don't even give a fuck if it's racist. It's just fucking boring.

It'd create a parallel universe where John Connor doesn't exist.

You know that relativity is just an abstracted model, right? All models are wrong, some are useful.

>Kyle goes back in time before he even existed
>Bangs Sarah
>Sarah has john months later
>John lives well into adulthood before he meets Kyle, who he promptly sends back in time so he can fuck his mom, making sure that the version of himself he's living as exists.
My problem with all of it was he sent Kyle back instead of going himself. John could have fucking trashed that old ass meatsuit robot. Kyle was a scrub.
Now that I think about it I'm kinda pissed.