among internet communities he's overrated I think. on Sup Forums, classical forums, classical record review sights he's treated as more of a "must-hear representative of french opera" rather than the "french musical dark ages" that he is.
I've never heard him performed live by anyone in my area. then again I've never heard Rameau performed either.
Oliver Reyes
Rameau in France is performed often, Lully almost never. >he's treated as more of a "must-hear representative of french opera" Well, to be fair he was the magnification of the French aristocratic music for a while. I think that the faults you're finding in his music are, instead, inherent to the form he was adopting in order to earn money. His music should be considered as ''dark age music'', but it should be also remembered that in that dark age music scene Lully was the best composer.
>but it should be also remembered that in that dark age music scene Lully was the best composer. that's like saying 1920-1940 was the worst age for soviet russia, but stalin was still their best leader. if Lully and the king hadn't actively suppressed any competition and monopolized publishing for almost 50 years perhaps it wouldn't have been so dark an age...
Blake Ramirez
>if Lully and the king hadn't actively suppressed any competition and monopolized publishing for almost 50 years perhaps it wouldn't have been so dark an age...
What are you basing those accusations on? On his fame alone, or are you referring to specific facts?
James Gray
biographies, books of french baroque I've read. I've never seen it disputed, but tl;dr he sucked the kings dick to give him royal privilege over printing music in paris, convinced him to place laws restricting non-lullian music from french theatres and then total control of the french academy of music. if you were another composer trying to get your music heard or popularized, you're basically screwed. anything worth a damn had to be heard at paris or versailles and lully made sure he was the only one getting performed
Grayson Anderson
here, is an interesting read if you want to know more:
I didn't know that. I've analyzed his music but I've never read comprehensive biographies on him. My bad.
Ian Lopez
>there's no subtly or deeper emotion being expressed Another baseless accusation, how can you say that?
Listen to these pieces and tell me they are devoid of emotion. What you call showy and flashy I call energetic and lively, passionate. And these are just some of his softer pieces, I quite enjoy some of his works.
>And it pales in comparison to italian opera because its all about dancing and amusement than expressivity While I can't speak for Italian opera I respectfully disagree. Sure a lot of it was about entertainment and a spectacle to impress, but there are parts in these works that are quite expressive.
>Never performed live. Again how can you say that? There are countless recordings on Youtube of people performing Lully live in front of an audience.
Brody Jones
>Again how can you say that? There are countless recordings on Youtube of people performing Lully live in front of an audience. I'm saying that it isn't in the general repertoire. Listening to Lully is a rarity, but in every big French city you can be sure that there will be at least 1 Rameau concert per year. It's like saying that Buxtehude is neverperformed. Of course across the US and Europe every once in a while a concert will pop up, but that's it.
Cooper Watson
>Buxtehude and Lully a rarity Truly a tragedy of our times.
Brayden Morales
That's what you get when you apply free market to the high arts.
Adam Parker
>Another baseless accusation, how can you say that? eh, its more of an opinion. I just feel as though Lully is not the best musician when it comes to expressing subtle emotions elegantly in his music. it's all very heavy-handed and grandiose, and his harmonies aren't particularly expressive even if they are exciting and catchy... I'm not saying his works are completely devoid of expression, but they approach it in a much cruder and "primitive" (?) way when compared to his italian contemporaries. he doesn't really venture outside of established musical idioms for the french court, which makes sense since they're generally more catered to impressing a king and nobility than creating a timeless masterpiece of personal emotion or being particularly innovative.
to each his own, though. He's not a HORRIBLE composers; I wouldn't have nearly as much of a problem with Lully if it weren't for the way he's celebrated among classical communities, see we'll just have to agree to disagree.
Benjamin Collins
>I wouldn't have nearly as much of a problem with Lully if it weren't for the way he's celebrated among classical communities Get a life.
Oliver Cook
this whole arguement was about Lully being overrated, tu enfant
Landon Bennett
Fair enough, at least you have an argument. Many people dismiss him and his work over trivial reasons.
>What are your music-related goals, /classical/? To re-establish tonality as the main path in academia, through brilliant, soul-crashing, magnificent compositions. That, and teaching to boring children piano in order to pay for rent and food.
Carter Adams
Feeling at least a bit satisfied with my interpretations.
What do your pupils want to play ?
Camden Morris
Finish Vivaldi's Op. 6
Henry Edwards
>What do your pupils want to play ? Most of them comes from musically-savvy families. They come when they're 4 or 5 while already knowing lots of Mozart and Schubert tunes, they usually play that and generally didactic pieces for a few years. I'm also teaching to 2 kids whose parents want them to play pop music, and 1 8years old kid who wants to become a jazz virtuoso.
I may be harsh when I say that they're boring, but that's just me. I hate teaching kids.
Evan Rogers
Kunst der Fuge or some of his cantatas.
Jeremiah Morris
tonality is already being re-established, you're 30 years too late
unless you're implying you want to abolish atonal music from academia, in which case you're wasting your time
Carter Richardson
>unless you're implying you want to abolish atonal music from academia, in which case you're wasting your time I don't want to abolish it, I just want to device a piece of music so magnificent that will draw the attention of the entire academia, channelling all of our artistic output in that direction. I plan to do it by being an excellent composer and a cutthroat businessman.
Jonathan Jenkins
You make it sound worse than it actually is. Ever had the chance to give lessons to baptist children ?
I remember reading about a composer named Steve Reich who came up with a new idea called phasing, which is like windshield wipers going in and out of synch. Apparently he was caught in a traffic jam one rainy day and the rhythm of the windshield wipers caught his attention and he applied what he heard to his musical compositions. He has had a significant influence on contemporary music, and I think he’s a great example of an innovator. Sometimes new ideas can come from something as mundane and functional as your windshield wipers. The key is to pay attention and keep your brain and senses open to new stimuli.
He doesn't, he's just praising him as a businessman. Damn, Trump is disgusting. Truly a dead soul.
He's not praising Reich as a businessman. He's making an analogy between artistic germination (see Henry James for more details) and innovation in business. I think you're just reading into it something negative because you dislike Trump.
Good job not checking the replies and reposting this.
Elijah Parker
Can someone recommend me some obscure but still good requiems?
Nathan Jenkins
>"Know What Is Above You" for four women’s voices and 2 tamborims (1999) What did Reich mean by this?
Jack Long
How many hours a day should I practice?
Zachary Sullivan
That man is no longer the President of the United States LOL
Sebastian King
>be me >occasionally shitpost about Reich on the rare thread >actually get to meet him and play his music in front of him a couple months ago There is no greater pressure in the world
Julian Phillips
As many as you can without developing injuries.
Joshua Scott
all classical music is literally awful
Anthony Diaz
except grimes
Joseph Perry
>tfw Nixon is in china
Joseph Cook
vocaroo.com/i/s174nspibbsM Can you guys listen to this and tell me your opinion about it? I have to send this to my composition teacher and I'm anxious as fuck.
