pedaling the last chord or prelude in c major (it's a bunch of boring arpeggios it needs it) seem fine but anything else sounds wrong
Cooper Rodriguez
Wrong for what reason ?
Jeremiah Ortiz
it blurs the voices. maybe I shouldn't have said wrong, more like, bad
Gabriel Scott
That's a fair point. One shouldn't bath Bach with pedaling. I agree with that. Nevertheless, completely passing on pedal would also mean attempting to replicate the sound of a clavichord or cembalo which raises the question why anyone should even bother playing Bach on the piano in the first place. If used cautiously I think the pedal can add a different and subtle color to his music. Just as you stated with those arpeggios.
Jayden Peterson
correct me if I'm wrong here, but the clavichord has less of a dynamic range than the piano and a much drier timbre. so not utilizing the pedal while playing Bach on piano would still give you the advantage of greater dynamic range and (in my opinion) better timbre.
I'm open to pedaling Bach but I have a hard time thinking of moments where pedaling would benefit the piece. could you link me a performance that shows tasteful pedaling?
Nathaniel Nguyen
Is this good counterpoint? Is it promising? Very new to composing.
Evan Bell
what stands out to me is that you have some pretty big leaps. in the top treble cleff in the first measure, it leaps a major ninth, which is pretty big. then you have an octave leap in the (alto)? voice in the third measure
is this supposed to be STAB writing? I'm kind of confused
Levi Sanders
The big thing that makes piano the best keyboard is the ability to play different notes at once with different dynamics, so you can play the fugue subject louder to make it stand out. Don't need any other reason than that to pick the instrument. The big man wrote lots of ties to lengthen specific notes. If you plan out your fingering then you should be holding one down most of the time, so pedaling just adds noise. It's not actually supposed to be played all staccato.
Elijah Mitchell
It definitely benefits the piece whenever playing legato is not possible. >could you link me a performance that shows tasteful pedaling?youtube.com/watch?v=3BC9fWwvI7g
Logan Ross
I haven't actually thought about that yet. Do you think it's worth something? Thanks for the feedback btw
Bentley Perry
not enough contrary motion at a glance, looks like voices mostly follow each other up and down with some meandering didn't do any math tho
Nolan Evans
>The big man wrote lots of ties to lengthen specific notes. If you plan out your fingering then you should be holding one down most of the time In theory yes. No arguing about that. And one should definitely try binding that way. Even with Beethoven. But with small female korean hands it won't always work out that way. Therefor having to compromise with the pedal will benefit the piece/your own play. Of course if used for only a split second.
Grayson Gray
Do you ever use the middle sostenuto pedal? It's usually forgotten that it exists at all but it happens to be perfect for this music. If we include that as pedaling then nobody should be against it.
Rarely. My teachers old restored grotrian-steinweg piano doesn't have one which is why I avoid it on my practice instrument. But I agree. It complements especially Bachs music and I would definitely include it as pedaling. In my opinion it would be used for the same objective as the sustain pedal though. Did you experiment with it ? Or in general with pedaling for Bach ?
Oliver Reed
I didn't even bother buying a middle pedal for my digital piano. I just use the damper, honestly. But I mentioned it since the anti-pedaling sperglord, Andras Schiff, said he uses it to play what's presumed to be organ notes in the bass because nobody's hands stretch far enough.
David Moore
Any suggestion which Bach piece I should study now? As for my level of playing I just recently learned BWV 881 prelude
Jack Kelly
>BWV 881 prelude Don't you want to finish the beautiful fugue ?
>I don't know, most of the times fugues are pretty hard It's like planing out a nice lovely dinner for yourself but stopping the process of cooking right after finishing the side dish. If you managed the prelude go for the fugue.
Only embarrassingly triggered people who hate art and only like entertainment are glad of that.
Adam Thomas
Only embarrassingly triggered people who hate art and only like entertainment aren't glad of that.
Austin Ramirez
Pedalling is meddling
Ayden Brown
I went to the Bachhaus at Eisenach and the head honcho of the place spent about 30 minutes going on about why you shouldn't use pedal for Bach.
Anthony Allen
Well it's quoting a movement of Tippett's A Child of our Time which is about a Jewish immigrant who killed a Nazi official in Paris. So there's a start
My aunt could ramble for 40 minutes on about why there's no legitimate reason for not using the pedal. Checkmate. Jokes aside. Do you remember anything what he has said during his 30 minute monologue ?
Jayden Rodriguez
Do many of your friends like classical music or is it something you enjoy mostly alone? Would you like more people to appreciate classical music? Do you go to concerts often? Would you like to make a living out of music? Do you compose or play an instrument for a living? Have you tailored your lifestyle to spend more time around music and musicians? What are your music-related goals? Do you think they're sensible?
The talk was mostly focused on the various historical keyboard instruments they had in the museum (a few chamber organs, a spinet and a copy of a harpsichord made by Bach's favourite harpsichord maker).
From what I remember, he was at his smuggest, anti-pedal when talking about the clavichord and how Bach had one which he did a lot of his composing on, before pointing out that because of its construction you can't sustain notes. I'm probably misremembering it somewhat, but it was along those lines.
Cool place though.
Carson Martin
>Do many of your friends like classical music or is it something you enjoy mostly alone? Alone >Would you like more people to appreciate classical music? Yes >Do you go to concerts often? Where I live that isn't easily accessible >Would you like to make a living out of music? No >Do you compose or play an instrument for a living? No
Brody Bennett
RIP, very beautiful choral composer
Brayden Clark
I can imagine on what it boiled down. >Cool place though Definitely ! I'll go there sometime around the summer next year.
Did you have the chance to try any of the instruments yourself ?
I liked how you played with the texture including and excluding the lowers voices from some passages. My only comment was that I didn't hear much thematic material or melody.
Xavier Butler
>Cage >high art Try again mate.
Julian Johnson
Shrek the Musical, unironically
James Williams
>clyp.it/1k0j1lyz Those triplets at the beginning sound out of place You might want to do something about 1:40, too. Also what this user said
Alexander Bennett
next to normal is probably my favorite
Parker Miller
Bach's day job was an organist, so I'm gonna have to go with a yes on the pedaling.
youtube.com/watch?v=vl6_aJU0S4M Any thoughts on Liszts symphony transcriptions ? Any transcription you'd like to play yourself ?
Michael Ross
>tfw Debussy had the better orchestral works, but Ravel had the better piano work during the 1900's
Ravel's orchestra oeuvre sucks compared to his contemporaries like Delius, Roussel, Ives Bartok and Stravinsky
Samuel Gray
What are you talking about, Ravel was an actual master of Orchestration. I'm not overrating him if I say that he was one of the best ones in the entire century.
Hudson Cox
Delius is shit though
Jose Harris
I've learned some of them years ago, I've read the scores again a few months ago. The symphonies transcriptions are perfect, it doesn't get better than that.
Henry Nelson
Honestly haven't listened that much too ravel, but daphnis et chloe is one of my favorite orchestral pieces youtube.com/watch?v=sYNlYMvFA5U
But I agree with you cus debussy is my favorite composer and his orchestration is brilliant
I said the Quality of orchestral works not the technical aspects themselves
I don't find his works as good as those I mentioned above
La mer, Song of the Nightingale, The Spiders Feast, Bartok's Concerto, and Central Park in the Dark are all better than Daphnis et Chloe, or the Spanish Rhapsody Wrong m8
Michael Flores
Nah m8 Delius licks my poop
Kevin Morris
You lick Delius's poop m8
Lincoln Moore
The Second movement of La mer is one of the most perfect things in existence. I wouldn't hesitate to put it next to Beethoven, Bach, or Brahms finest movements
Mason Rodriguez
Nu-uh
Nathaniel Rivera
Digits say so m8
Camden Bell
Just out of interest : What are you currently working on ?
Jose Hall
Dubs are weak
David Richardson
I'm currently memorizing Scarlatti sonatas for a conservatory recital while studying lots of harmony theory.
Adrian Flores
What about his G Major Concerto, Le Tombeau de Couperin, Valses Nobles et Sentimentales and minor works like Menuet Antique or Rapsodie Espagnole? You may like some of these less than the best orchestral Debussy/Bartok/Stravinsky works, but that's still an impressing repertoire. I don't think that you should compare Ravel to Debussy, Delius, Bartok and Stravinsky: they're all maestros and they all excelled in what they were trying to do. At this point you're just comparing 9.7 music to 9.75 music.
Ryan Cox
Sorry to ask you guys to do my homework, but what would qualify as a chromatic substitution for the tonic in major? Seems like it could be anything or nothing at all.
Carson Sanchez
I'm looking for music with the complexity of bach or bartok's string quartets. I really like free voice and counterpoint. I love it when there's a melody and then something doing something that sounds almost completely different to the melody, but somehow complements it. I like it when there's a deeply inter woven pattern that indulges the mind in deep complexity that one could get lost in on careful listening.
Noah Gutierrez
Is there any classical music like plamless prayer/mass murder refrain?
Dylan Johnson
Listen to the Beethoven's and Mozart's late quartets, they're all extremely influenced by Bach's fugue writing.
Nolan Myers
Hmm, surprisingly I haven't checked out the mozart quartets, but I have listened to the late beethoven quartets extensively.
Chase Jones
>listening to AoF on anything but organ or harpsichord
Heathen.
Adrian Carter
inb4 Calcium sperging out. >Bach on anything but piano
The ones you should listen to are the Haydyn's quartets and everything that came after them. Those were the years in wich Mozart became a master of Bachian counterpoint
Ethan Thompson
Besides the G major concerto or Rapsodie, every one of those were translated and failed to be as good as their piano counterparts
Jayden Roberts
Why not? Most of hte stuff listed there are operas and program music anyway
Asher Myers
This man deserves nothing but agony and death
Cameron Hall
I'm glad he exists because he makes cunts like you extremely butthurt
went thrifting in the big city and snagged some dope LPs, r8 me plz these are the ones i'm excited to have
Heifetz plays Bach Unaccompanied Sonatas and Partitas (complete) 3xLP
Glenn Gould playing Goldberg Variations, WTC book 2 preludes & fugues 1-8, Bach Keyboard concertos 2 in E, 3 in D, 4 in A, 5 in f, and 7 in g, and six sonatas for violin and piano w/ Jamie Laredo BWV 1014-1019,
and Bruno Walter conducting Mahler: Das Lied Von Der Erde, and Brahm: A German Requiem Op.45,
And the Budapest String Quartet playing Brahms Piano Quintet Op. 34
