How do we fix the horror genre?
How do we fix the horror genre?
Give Fukunaga full creative freedom and a 50 million dollar budget.
We make them about real life instead, nothing scarier than some of the shit we have to go through.
You Can't
Those are called Dramas, dumbass.
Remove Jumpscare
Reinstate actual writing
I think you know the answer user.
Less gimmicks and jumpscares
It's impossible to fix because horror fans are the biggest plebs on the planet. If you actually make a good horror film, nobody wants to see it because normies think all horror is garbage, and horror fans don't like good movies.
Remove necrophiliacs
So will that game ever be released? I remember it was put on the burner for some shit reason and I was disappointed, since it looked like it was going to be amazing.
Well then problem solved.
>silent hills never
It still hurts
Quite literally never EVER since Konami gave Kojima the boot.
No more kids.
No more jump scares.
No excess gore and violence.
No laying everything out from the get go.
Good stories withhold information and reveal it gradually. We need eerie/scary situations, effects, forces that begin exerting influence but are not completely understood until later if completely at all. Mystery is a powerful tool for horror.
I like him. Does he want to make a horror movie?
that's a question i've pondered upon for a very long time, but goddamn it, pt was a masterpiece of horror. it did everything right and i have no idea how it was pulled off so flawlessly
it and rule of rose, while absolutely garbage video games, are incredibly effective horror, and the themes and narrative execution in both should be looked at much more closely
All of this. I think all of the hate The Witch gets is an example of how pleb horror fans are. Hell, I saw a thread on here the other day about someone thinking Rosemary's Baby is boring.
Top 5 (American) Horror Films based on writing:
>Rosemary's Baby
>The Omen
>The Exorcist
>The Witch
>American Werewolf in London
This. It's inherently a shit genre.
Just wait til Friday and all will be right again.
Get rid of the PG-13 rating
Make it actually scary. Scary movies are more like comedies now.
>pt was a masterpiece of horror
It's literally just a haunted house simulator. Its scariness is no less cheap than every other horror game.
get atmosphere right
less jumpscares
more subtlety
better storytelling
original ideas
we should jhold horror movies to a standard just as we judge any movie but all these paranormal activity ripoff movies are all horrible as shit but make millions
Out with jumpscares
In with psychological mindfucks
Pic related.
Just because it's less offensive than BOOOO! doesn't mean it isn't just a lame jumpscare.
That scene isn't a jump scare though.
it's not so much about the scares themselves in pt, but it's about how well they were executed
the shot there in the op is easily missed if you're not an observant type, for example. it makes you wonder if she had been watching you the entire time in every other place you hadn't bothered to look, and it gives the viewer a sense of dread/the player a sense of urgency
not to mention the 208463 thing. technological-based fear is really underutilized, i guess because it comes across as hokey if you use it wrong, but it has a ton of potential
>208463
The fucking voice repeating that shit was probably one of the scariest things of P.T for me.
I'm still floored that there hasn't been a film about the Original Night Stalker. He was incredibly lucky to not get caught or slip-up despite a couple of near misses.
THIS
I grew up on USA's Saturday Nightmares. Modern horror really lacks the air of the unknown compared to 70's and 80's films.
You know what would be a great spin on the whole meta craze over horror flicks? Said victims are intelligent and reasonable people; they do everything they're supposed to but it doesn't matter because they're STILL gonna get murdered, possessed, or whatever. And the antagonist is just as Genre Savvy so it's a battle of who can out-maneuver whom in a game of attrition.
When you do supernatural-themed horror, actually make the viewers uncomfortable at the thought of witnessing what the characters are about to face. The Gate is probably the best example of what I'm describing. The film really fucked with your mind and despite the fact that it was in a nice upscale neighborhood, it didn't mean jackshit. Show that even in the bright and sunny confines with a lot of people doesn't mean it's safe and comfy.
Treat the horror themes and motifs as if they were artwork and how they reflect on the cast. The Beyond did a great job incorporating paintings with its plot. That ending still haunts me to this day.
I really wish someone could emulate 70's giallo like Suspiria today. It's precisely the sort of film that would make younger audiences appreciate horror again.
Remember Are You Afraid of the Dark? That show had episodes that creeped the fuck out of me despite only being PG-rated. It had good atmosphere and its script made sure that you didn't need fancy effects and/or gore to make a spine-tingling sensation.
Any 90's kids here?
I grew up reading those Point Horror books. Quite a few of them could be successfully adapted into an anthology or film. Is it just me or are kids today pussies compared to 80's and 90's counterparts?
>complete focus and practical effects
>no cheap jump scares, cheesy music / sound effects
>intelligent characters that the audience gets emotionally invested in
>interesting plot twists, a story that isn't nonsense
>playing on real fears and anxieties rather than just making the content as edgy and over the top as possible
>interesting settings rather than cheaping out with the suburban haunted house
>Give Fukunaga full creative freedom and a 50 million dollar budget
>50 million budget
>For a horror movie
Name one horror movie with a large budget that is a genre classic.
Additionally, half the reason so many horrors get made is because they can be made and still be successful with low budgets.
You're dumb.
>playing on real fears and anxieties
I know I'm not the only one who dreads going down to the basement with the lights off.
>kids today pussies
Blame society
>remove necrophiliacs
Are you gay?
Why does ghostface look like a melted sex doll. Also reminded myself of Afro Samurai
More gothfus.
>emulate 70's giallo
that would be "amer" and "the strange color of your body's tears". and arguably "the house of the devil"
you made a great point about children's horror though. laika is perfectly capable of creating these insanely tense and scary moments. other mother's last chase with coraline, particularly with the encroaching door, is great film. and the entire design of the ghost girl who's name i forget in paranorman is tops
if someone had half a mind to let laika get away with an r-rated film, you'd probably get some of the best scares in the genre
it was the screen and the silence that came after that sealed the deal for me, holy fuck
This.
Also, fuck "found footage" movies and the like. The Paranormal Activity movies were awful.
>characters that the audience gets emotionally invested in
Hell yes. One of the reasons that the horror was so effective in the end of Bone Tomahawk was that I was scared I'd have to see characters that I'd grown to love go through horrific tortures. Much more effective than torture porn done to random fuckers you can't give a shit about like in Saw or Hostel.
>complete focus and practical effects
that's how we got the evil dead remake, which was so fucking fun
adam wingard's first film was put together with spit, floss and a tin can, and it was probably one of the most intriguing horror films out there
Stop trying to be scary and just try to be interesting and weird
Ever see Lady in White? It's a ghost story for kids and it genuinely has some eerie moments despite being non-violent and actually has a compelling story.
Laika is a company that can truly push the boundaries with animation, but they'll never do films for adults.
Have you seen the movie?
>implying You're Next is a horror movie
>plebs still think jumpscares are bad
NO
I actually enjoyed You're Next. The killers were intelligent (like the cell jammer) yet they could fuck up and get caught with their pants down.
Had they gotten away with the murders, it would've been treated like the Keddie murders. There's a fuckton of cold cases and unsolved mysteries that would be high-octane nightmarefuel if someone took influence from it.
Shit, this even reminds me of that show Unsolved Mysteries. That one story about the woman being stalked and getting letters which were dismissed as a hoax...and then her corpse found with her hands tied behind her back was unsettling. Either she did it herself for attention/mental issues or there WAS a stalker who murdered her.
i haven't, actually
i'd love to see more animation in horror, to be honest. when it comes to surreality and approaching the unknown, that's a medium that's perfectly suited, because anything could happen
even with the proportional realism of pt, the concepts in it aren't 100% suited to using real actors and interspersing it with cg and whatnot. it wouldn't have been nearly as effective
few people think they're outright bad. they are extremely cheap though
>adam wingard's first film was put together with spit, floss and a tin can, and it was probably one of the most intriguing horror films out there
That's what I'm suggesting. The best horrors don't use big budgets. They use an interesting premise, the fear of the unknown and subconsciously link the fear to an issue or hysteria experience en masse by current society.
Jumpscares aren't bad when the entire movie or game revolves around it, it stops being scary. It's not scary when there's no drama or suspense behind it whatsoever and it's just a weird looking shit popping up out of nowhere.
by emulating the standards set by this
How can a movie be so creepy and comfy at the same time?
We kill it. We've gotten to the point where garbage like Babadook and Descent are considered to be good horror movies. The genre is beyond salvation.
Alternatively, we clone Cronenberg, Lynch and Carpenter thousand times and put the clones in charge of all Western horror movie creation.
It tricks you with the comfort and beauty of the hotel yet its isolation, the breakdown of the family due to Jack's inner demons, and the supernatural forces at work are a perfect combination.
>Cronenburg
this generation needs a new cronenburg
seriously
He didn't even type that
You know, I'd love to see a slasher flick where a psycho from the 80's deals with contemporary teens. Say the 80's survivors managed to put said killer in a coma or something and they awake in the 2010's.
I don't think modern kids are as resourceful or can think on their feet like previous generations. They depend too much on their smartphones and the Internet.
splatterfests should be rightfully big-budgeted. the evil dead remake is a good example of that. practical effects are super important there and good ones are definitely not cheap.
it's going to be seen as a cheap tactic soon enough, i think, but 4k cameras are very effective in horror. the surreality of the end of the witch and a ton of scenes in antichrist were shot in high fps, and it forced the scenes to become strange and unappealing to look at to the audience
i can not understand the love for the descent, i don't fucking get it
meant to put a period after "Jumpscares aren't bad"
I can understand why people outside of Sup Forums fellate it (namely, "muh female protagonists", apparently that's enough to praise any mediocre trash to heaven nowadays, see The Force Awakens and Jessica Jones) but why Sup Forums does I have no idea.
They would be killed while all looking at their phones.
>splatterfests should be rightfully big-budgeted. the evil dead remake is a good example of that. practical effects are super important there and good ones are definitely not cheap.
Still only cost $17 million.
Make movies that are actually scary?
Like pic related and The Babadook
Also
>Thinking that mainstream horror can be fixed
>Not watching awesome indie horror films
>The Babadook
>scary
Top bait.
Exactly my point.
My kid sister (19) watched some of the Friday the 13ths a while back and commented that pre-cellphones, people were really isolated if the phone lines were down and if there was no radio. She said she couldn't even imagine what to do without social networking and her iPhone.
I liked how It Follows emulated neo-80's and was pretty creepy in the first half, but the second half was terrible.
c'mon, you and i both know the difference between big and hollywood small
the aforementioned pop skull was made for $2,000
thanatomorphose, another practical effects-based film, was made for ~$40,000, so $17 million is light years away in comparison
>Pic related
>The Blair Witch Project
>The Last Exorcism
>Alien Abduction
>The Houses October Built
>The Bay
>Grave Encounters
There's plenty of good found footage movies. The problem is when they take scripts for shitty teen horror movies and decide to make them found footage movies to save money.
Do you at least still have the playable trailer? Its pretty fucking awesome.
Hey I'm in the process of making a short film about this!
The movie starts with a generic summer-camp slasher movie ending by the survivors trapping the demon serial killer into a "Frozen Prune Custard" machine, which nobody touched for over 25 years. Then a kid reaches for it, while looking at his phone, thinking it's normal custard and what he pours out transforms itself into the serial killer, still thinking it's the 80s.
It's a lot of fun.
I think part of the problem is modern cinema is going to shit. It's hard to build suspense and atmosphere when you're jumpcutting every 3 seconds to keep the adhd-riddled audience focused.
the only thing i could think of is that maybe claustrophobia is still strangely underutilized in horror
that's the same reason why there were quiet rumblings about as above so below
[rec] is another film that got way, way too much credit
If you're serious, you should post the end result here.
We don't.
Horror fans love shit and take it happily. I'm one of them.
Look at the "best" ones, they're mostly from before the 90s and cheesy as fuck and are most all supernatural. People hate well done horror.
>The Blair Witch Project
Why do people think that?
It's actually one of the most boring movies out there.
Yeah, sure it was the film that defined the found footage genre and took advantage of it's novelty by pretending the actors were dead, playing it of as an actul documentary in the (I think) the discovery channel and whatnot.
But look beyond that and it's a terrible, boring movie that's a chore to look at.
Speaking of which, I'm a huge fan of the original Child's Play and Child's Play 2. The alternate ending for Part 2 which was only shown on USA Network and the Sci-Fi Channel gave us this glimpse.
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Apparently, they wanted the 3rd movie to have multiple Chucky's unleashed since his remains were mixed in that huge vat and reprocessed. However, the idea got nixed because they felt the curse only applies to 1 doll instead of a legion of them.
Has anyone ever done this before? A horror film that involves a whole line of dolls that come to life and terrorize people?
Kojima and Del Taco are hacks. I'm glad Silent Hills was cancelled. I can't wait for his company to release their first game so I can watch him crash and burn now that he's gone full preqauel era George Lucas with no one to tell him "no."
there is literally no reason for the witch to be on that list with those classics. it's a good movie but it's not *that* good
Can't Kojima make the game without Konami?
I mean, I know it can't be called Silent Hill, but Kojima could make his own Horror game with his studio.
the "so bad it's good" thing with horror seriously needs to stop
teeth and gingerdead man are the only two under that tag that deserve to exist
pretty sure that would require a complete rewrite and overhaul of the project, especially for monster design. silent hill has pretty iconic monster design that would become an ip suit in a heartbeat if kojima went forward without any major change
The Ring (2002)
Dir: Gore Verbinski
Budget: $43 million
Box Office: $249.3 million
Yeah, it's a bummer. Then again, he can't make MGS anymore, so if he needs to start something new, might as well work on this.
The 'cheap' ones are usually more bad than good.
its based on the classic paint The Scream
Silent Hill monsters all look like shit anyway, so that would be for the better.
Konami killed kojima
I honestly believe horror is more at home with video games than movies
>A horror film that involves a whole line of dolls that come to life and terrorize people?
A Small Soldiers horror film? mite b cool
I can think a few that had multiple dolls (Dolls, Puppet Master, Demonic Toys) but not really any where the whole line of toys is possessed or whatever (Like Halloween III with the masks)
Have you watched Behind The Mask: The Rise Leslie Vernon? It touches on that idea.
I didn't really care until I heard it wasn't just Kojima and Del Taco but Junji Ito was a part of the project as well.
That's absolutely fucked, that takes it from being unfortunate to being a terrible, salted, lemon wound.
>chucky + halloween lll
I recall maybe a made for TV movie that came out in the early 80's about this kid who had this huge collection of army dudes, and they ended up coming to life and killing his evil stepdad. It was called something like DARKROOM or BLACKOUT or something.
i'll never deny that. it's been that way since the first one, and none of the games themselves were any good horror-wise until pt
del toro, on the other hand, is very good at monster design and has an odd knack for making violence come across viscerally
this, too
the loss of ito working in an animated medium in any form is a damn shame
Are you joking or are you serious? The goat was the only decent actor in the whole movie.
>Ito
>not a talentless hack
Something like that except these aren't action figures so much as the My Buddy and Kid Sister dolls.
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The dolls want to take possession of kids by swapping bodies. The dolls are actually inhabited by the souls of old dead people or terminally ill ones that want another chance in life.
Verbinski loves to drain the fuck out of budgets, that movie probably started at 20 million
You're describing The Witch right now, senpai. Although a lot of it was borrowed from folklore and shit, so I guess it wasn't entirely original.