Oldfags, explain to the youngfags what made the original so great

Oldfags, explain to the youngfags what made the original so great.

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Aliens blew up hippies, blew up cities, blew up Washington, then jeff goldblum blew up aliens.

It's a product of it's own time.

Back then CGI wasn't as common as it is now, so seeing a giant spaceship the size of a city blow up the Empire State in the big screen was a unique experience.

I guess another factor is that mankind always had the disadvantage so you didn't know who was going to win.

The sequel is just unnecessary, it's probably going to be the same as the first but with different landmarks getting destroyed and more sci-fi shit.

>Oldfags, explain to the youngfags what made the original so great.
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Cheesy almost brilliant edting pacing and dialogue.

The whole movie is the epitome of "oh no he di int"

Welcome ta erf.

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I never liked it and I never liked Emmerich.

Was Independence Day the last great summer blockbuster that wasn't made with the intention of kick-starting a franchise?

No one likes Emmerich, his movies have been 20 years of garbage, this is probably literally the only movie he could still get made.

Surely there has to be one in the last 20 years. Edge of Tomorrow?

I saw it in the cinema. Was mindblowing for the time. The pure spectacle of the CGI and display of craft, the cast, the snappy dialogue before snappy dialogue devolved into quipping, the list goes on...

>Back then CGI wasn't as common as it is now
nigga everything they blew the fuck out were godly practicals

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>his movies have been 20 years of garbage
Emmerich eats lightning and shits out kino.

special effects mostly

we just didnt have movies that showed shit of this scale looking this good at that point.

>muh practical effect ideological purity
pyro was practical, but the movie was always mixed between CG and practical.

Quips

Will smiffs epic quips and nigger slang

If you don't like ID4, then you don't like icecream.

It was the 90's man, you had to be there.

I saw it in the theater on Independence Day when I was 8 years old it was amazing.

>there are people on this board too young to have seen Independence Day in either the theatres or on home VHS

kill yourselves if this applies

>an army hero and the son of a jew save the world
gee, i don't know user...

Literally every character aside from maybe the probed guy's children are perfect and have their own "moment"

bill pullman

It wasn't that great. It was just a blockbuster event. Cinema at the time was missing huge budget genre films. The film hit all the right notes. But ultimately it was a one dimensional, by the numbers film. It was mediocrely reviewed upon release and is only beloved by simpletons, normalfags, and nostalgiafags that can't evolve.

It's literally a 5-6/10 at best.

The VHS came with a holographic cover of the White House exploding.

Worth it.

I saw it in theatre and bought the VHS. Will Smith was a big deal at the time and it was something spectacular to see the white house etc blown up by a giant space ship.

I think the marketing had a lot to do with it as well. They did a lot of unique things at the time, promotion for the movie was everywhere. Keep in mind that this was 1996, media wasn't as over saturated back then, when I say this movie was hyped up everywhere, I mean everywhere. It was impossible to ignore.

I remember the action figures came with a floppy disc with a game that let you launch the nukes against the aliens. The VHS came with one of those cards where if you move it back and forth it looks like the white house is getting blown up. I still have it.

>cgi still holds up
>heaps of amazing practical effects
>interesting ensemble of likeable characters
>well paced

It's leagues ahead of anything released now. Saw it 3 times in the cinema it was a true event akin to the matrix and lotr. Many have tried to copy it's formula even the director himself and have failed.

Indeed.

I remember those floppy discs

I got the alien figure and took the floppy to my cousins house to use on his PC and it was some kind of point and click mini game inside the alien ship

It was sort of the pioneering film for the 90s/00s big budget save the world while everything around you gets destroyed type movies. Today it is really stale, but back then it was more exciting (though no less stupid when you really thought about it).

Disaster movies peaked in the 90s desu

>serious troll
Stargate was great, but I meant post-ID4. Unwatchable total shit: Godzilla, Day After Tomorrow, 2012.... and especially Anonymous which I will never forget, nor forgive.

My n word (nigger)

Most of those are good except the spoiler one and 10,000 B.C.

>me being young at the time

that's about it

Yes. It was the beginning of the end.

You could argue that Avatar wasn't made for a franchise and they planned the sequels after it's huge box office success, they're making them anyways so who knows.

This hippies got rekt

Also jeff Goldblum hacked the aliens with a typical trojan horse

>2012
>"kino"

Well no shit Sherlock any practical effects used since then are supplemented with CG, but the fact that it's only supplementing makes all the difference

It rode the patriotic high of post-Cold War America. It's a world wide attack, but it's all up to America to save the day. Our president leads the counterattack by jet, big explosions, the Fresh Prince cracking jokes. The rest of the world is hanging on our every word for plans to counterattack. It made you feel awesome to be American.

>Nostalgia goggles

>I am a millennial

>but it's all up to America to save the day.
It would have to be. It's to tie in the Area 51 lore. Nobody will buy it if a counterstrike is mounted by Argentine gouchos throwing bolas at the mothership.

I think that's equally the definition of nostalgia goggles.

Seeing something when you're 19 and thinking it's great, then watching it again at 29 and realizing you were a fucking fuckwit @ 19.

Jeff Goldblum makes any movie into a 7/10 movie at the least. His whole entire screen presence is that of prime Arnold in a sense

Oh and the speech. What a fucking speech man

>tfw I'm old enough that I could have had either of those experiences yet I didn't because of strict parents and I didn't see Independence Day until a couple years ago when I decided to torrent it

I still liked it, though.

Who jumped like a bitch when the alien head split open?

It wasnt though, everyone with half a brain was laughing about the uploaded virus gimmick

No, people only made fun of that years later, youngfag.

No, I get it, there's a reason within the story for why it's up to us. I love those "America saves the world" blockbusters, like Armageddon. The '90's made you feel good to be American

this

that was a gem that only modern audiences laughed at in retrospect

>"What is it you want us to do?"
>"Die..."

Even now I still get chills.

Nah. it was probably within a year or so, people who actually owned computers were like, "Hang on a minute, is alien tech Apple compatible?"

It just gets funnier with age.

quality scene

emmerich used to be a decent director. he had a singular vision and a passion for filmmaking. much like paul w.s. anderson, he nibbled on the forbidden fruit for too long, leading to inevitable creative bankruptcy and artistic absence.

rip in peace

Nah I remember thinking

>with a fucking Mac

Gigantic Filmfaggot here. I think that's a legit hypothesis, these are directors who made 1-2 good movies then sunk into shit permanently. I'd counter-argue, however, that Emmerich benefited early on from working with Dean Devlin, and the movies suffered without that partnership, and meanwhile, PWSA started to suck when he started banging Milla, which would distract me, also.

different user here. that is two good posts

In the words of Patrice O'Neal, up until the aftermath of the attack, it's pretty much the perfect popcorn flick

I wouldn't necessarily call it great but I understand that it has a lot of elements would even individually appeal to lots of people, and put together guaranteed the film's success in 1996.

What I'm more interested in now is understanding the movie, but it's like Sup Forums or anyone really is interested in talking about the story.

It was all about the quips

>A movie with Goldblum, Arnold and Dano

Make it happen Sup Forums, make your meme magic

I watched this in the cinema when I was a wee lad and the appearance of the ships and positioning all over the world was both the scariest and most exciting thing I think I've experienced in a movie

I miss him. I loved his conversations about movies on Opie and Anthony. Shitting on Braveheart and Taken, coming to terms with Face/Off being shlock

He never shit on Braveheart, he loved it

Ask a frigging question then

Well, for one, what kind of a reflection of humanity/USA were the aliens? What are 'we' in the movie REALLY fighting against?

>at the time it was an amazing special effects showcase (the effects were mostly practical so they still hol up very well today)
>there was a scifi summer movie drought ever since Return on the Jedi in 1983, so it was a welcome return to the genre
>very good cast of up and coming stars and veteran performers
>decent characters
>black and jew as main characters without SJW oppression bullshit
>a marketing campaign that the world hasn't seen since. EVERYONE was talking about this movie
>aliens fuck shit up on a worldwide scale (they must have killed billions of people)
>tie in with Area 51 (in the mid 90's gov't/UFO conspiracies were huge)
>releasing the movie on July 4th weekend (why the sequel is coming out in June I have no idea)
>millenial twats were either babies or not born yet

hehehe this is nice

hipsters hated it because the first helf was "boring"

Um, aliens who came to steal our resources and destroy our way of life?

I hate CGI, i prefer rubber doll aliens and dinos from original Jurassic park

I haven't watched this in a long time, does it even really look dated to younger people? I imagine it's held up pretty well for a 20 year old movie.

That's base exposition, though.

Why are the aliens telepathic? Why does one of them grab the scientist and talk through him? Why is there a singular mothership instead of a non-centralised network? Why did the aliens use our own satellites against us? Why are the saucer beam attacks portrayed in the manner of nuclear strikes?

These are all deliberate choices that exist to reveal what the aliens represent.

It holds up decently. Some of the effects during the initial destruction of LA / NY look pretty awful but other than that, not bad

Dude if you want to post your head-cannon then go ahead and post it.

>I hate CGI
they needed cgi to help make some of the ebst scenes in that movie, user

IT'S THE END OF THE WORD AS WE KNOW IT

>WORD

hue

I fucking miss Movie Magic. This shit was my jam as a kid.

Ayyyy

Saw that in the cinema. It was shit but as a kid I liked the starwasy dogfight and mean aliens.

Of course it's in fact a complete cringe fest, >burger over-patriotism that (((hollywood))) loves to put in his films to make the pleb goy burger so proud
>the "comic" relief with will smith...

They blew up the white house and new york. A nigger, a pasty jew, and white trash saved the world. Mars Attacks was better.

H o l y f u c k. What is wrong with you Sup Forumskuk? You are worse than tumblrinas with your being triggered by the most trivial things. Kill yourself.

>years later
Wut.
Everyone at my school was like lol virus right afer they saw it

The original Independence Day movie is actually complete shit. Decent elements though, love the alien designs from their ships to the individual aliens. Their biosuits are fucking rad. The best part of the movie is the Alien in the Lab scene, genuinely creepy.

This is my own most anticipated film of AD 2016.

I liked Day After Tomorrow

This movie was the epitome of 'fuck yeah!'

Nostalgia.

It was always just an OK dumb action flick. The sequel looks to be more of the same. It's just not needed beyond capitalising on nostalgia.

Good morning. Good morning. In less than an hour, aircraft from here will join others from around the world, and you will be launching the largest aerial battle in the history of mankind. Mankind, that word should have new meaning for all of us today. We can't be consumed by our petty differences any more. We will be united in our common interest.

Perhaps it's fate that today is the 4th of July, and you will once again be fighting for our freedom. Not from tyranny, oppression, or persecution, but from annihilation. We're fighting for our right to live, to exist and should we win the day, the 4th of July will no longer be known as an American holiday, but as the day when the world declared in one voice, We will not go quietly into the night! We will not vanish without a fight! We're going to live on, we're going to survive.

Today we celebrate our independence day

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>Post yfw this speech

What more do you want from a mindless popcorn flick? I don't care too much for Emmerich's stuff, either, but Independence Day had the right balance of corny fun and shit getting destroyed.

Mars Attacks is good for what it is, though.

God tier mix of practical effects and CGI. Ships, locations, explosions etc. were all practical, and all the impossible alien shit was CGI, and it was good.

Original and memorable alien design.

Comfy 90s schlock aesthetic.

Interesting characters.

Minimal MURICA FUCK YEEEEEEEAHHHHH -plot. This movie is all about them big gunz and aayyliens. If I wanted a serious deep sci-fi I would read a book.

90s computer hacking.

Awesome sound design. Even the starting credits explode and made that satisfying "KKHKLHKHHLHLHLLAAK PSEEEEHHHHH" type of sound.

Honestly, it was that rare moment in the world when mostly stuff was OK(there was no shitload of wars, money was good, it was a small balloon of good life when this movie was released).
>im not sayan that world was not fucked up, it was just some small intermecco (sometimes it happens, that most world live in peace, but usually it lasts one or two months)

Movie was great because it showed that we really need some fucking aliens to finally get us all together as a species , also, it was lite action flick, with nice positive ending, it was not pretentious and to my knowledge, Mr.Presidents speech was best ever made(I got up in theater and yelled:"LET ME AT THEM!!"), so they let me out of the theatre.

How the hell is this guy still alive?

>As Spiner explains of Okun’s apparent survival:

>“People assumed Dr. Okun died in the first movie. I don’t know why they make that assumption. My eyes were open, this guy, the dreaded Adam Baldwin, picks me up, he puts his fingers on my neck. I wanted to look at him and go ‘you’re not a doctor! You’re a soldier!’”

>While eagle-eyed viewers might be able discern a sliver of life in the body of Dr. Okun after his alien captor was killed, most people who saw the scene assumed that he was just another casualty. However, this apparent majority was actually in the right… at least as far as what was originally intended. As Spiner further explains:

>“This is a little secret. He had a line that he said, ‘he’s dead’ and they cut the line.” Adding, “But, he didn’t say anything. So, cut two, here I am.”

lel binary lel

>my motherfucking face when

It shows the collapse of American everything in favor of multiculturalism you fucking retard. The people who discover the alien's weakness are sand niggers for fuck's sake. Everything in the movie is geared to show the failings of our old ways and the strengths of us all banding together. Fucking pay attention to Pullman's speech. Jeheeeeesus Christmas Crackers you're beyond retarded.

Manly tears.

Lmao