What is it that makes a good horror movie Sup Forums?

What is it that makes a good horror movie Sup Forums?

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>Found footage style
>Jump scares

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Atmosphere

Scary bananas.

Dread

Something that catches you off guard and that you wouldn't expect. Something that sticks with you.

This is a totally generic 80's slasher film but the ending is so bizarre and disturbing.
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Also this. I don't know what it is about this scene but it is disturbing as fuck.
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Big titty monsters in itty bitty clothing

This is true.

Plausibility.

Has to appear that it can happen to you.

this

I actually find the unreal pretty creepy.

Microbudget for a teenager audience who meme the movie to their friends and sequels get made

Whether your schlock is good or not is pretty much a coinflip, it depends on what the teenager retards are into at that exact month

Unsettling things. For me that involves strange movements, certain sounds, creepy details explained or shown. I haven't been legitimately scared watching horror since I was a kid, but I enjoy watching them

Can you guys list some that fit these descriptors?

>wanting plausibility in a horror movie
Nigger what are you thinking

Is horror the most

>white middle/upper class suburbia core

of any genre? like just bored kids with no peril trying to create fear in themselves

I think Red Letter Media got it right when they said "being memorable"

Cancer.

Gradually ramping up the tension. I hate movies that try to have some huge scary moment halfway through then the rest just peters out.

I don't care for them either but you gotta admit they're right on that count

A great horror movie takes you places you don't want to go.

Audition.

Things with really creepy gaping black mouths

These are things the Blair Witch has. Too bad OP is a fucking meme

Found footage can be fine, it's just used by hacks to save on budget. Also, it's a shortcut to story.

Similarly, there's nothing wrong with the jump scare -- Val Lewton used it -- only that reliance on it suggests that you can't come up with anything else scary.

A real sense of danger comes from isolation and the inability to access help. Once that was just proximity to the police, but now that we all have cell phones, you have to cut off communication, either physically, technologically, or by making the subject appear to be unreliable and insane.

Audience investiture is key. You have to like these characters in some fashion so you can fear for them.

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The same can be said for anything enjoyable, of course you will remember it better. That quote is retarded and you are for thinking it was valuable enough to tbe discussion to post it.

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Well, let me expand a little

Horror movies have little in terms of quality control or really any sort of standard; the only thing that really defines what's good and bad is the end product being memorable, as opposed to most other genres in which the memorability factor plays as a supplement to a competent core movie.

Evil Dead by all accounts is a shit movie, but it's a classic because of how distinct and memorable it is. That goes for any other horror classic, and desu it's the standard they should all be judged by for the most part (unless it's a bit more self-reflexive like Cabin In The Woods)

Like your moms vagina?

>What is it that makes a good horror movie Sup Forums?
A guy on a motorcycle saving the damsel in distress inside a movie theater killing demons with a katana
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>jump scares
There is literally nothing wrong with these. Fuck off with trying to paint them as inherently bad.

Every critically-acclaimed horror film uses them at least once. Movies that resort to them without building a good sense of dread or suspense beforehand are examples of them being done poorly.

evil dead is a classic because it's enjoyable, campy as fuck, gorey and yes memorable.

blair witch project is a piece of shit through and through with no redeeming qualities but is memorable because it was the first big found footage shitfest

being memorable is a awful test of a good movie, horror or otherwise

Yeah, abrupt bursts are good for scaring an audience, it's exactly as you mentioned in that the tension has to be there and the jump scare has to not be overdone, two rules which have been repeatedly violated by every horror film in the past 10 years

Ok, maybe you're right

I was just throwing it out there, does look kinda stupid in retrospect


Well, if I had to say something definitive I'd say tension or suspense would be the big one for horror

>Jump scares are ghey meme

This has to be the most embarrassingly typical criticism. All horror is shit, with or without jumpscares. You're not a highly refined viewer for hating jumpscares. They have a place just like all other bullshit in this genre.

There's nothing wrong with jump scares, but those by themselves aren't really scary
You're surprised, taken off guard, a loud noise and something jumping out of nowhere triggers a response that we still have from when we were still living in caves and trees, but it's not scary
You can pretend to punch someone and almost punch them in the face and say that they got scared because they flinched, but that's not them actually being scared, they are just reacting instinctively

Also, like said, it's about quality not quantity

Don't give me your pseudo-intellect nonsense. Everything you said can be fitted into action or art films.

wtf is self reflexive

>tension or suspense
much better answers. I'd also add character development in the sense to try to make the audience give a shit about the characters. Most of the time they are little more than test dummies and we just want to see how they die. I don't think you can have good tension or suspense if you don't care for or want the characters to survive

Atmosphere of Oppression, specifically.

Being able to inherently imply a loss of power, via the environment, sound, or other factors.

Additionally, the inability to escape the situation.

Claustrophobia, as a result of the latter.

Jump Scares are fantastic, if used appropriately, which is at the end of a very long and drawn out building of suspense or dread.

Most of all, making the audience look at or experience something, that makes them feel uncomfortable, for just a little too long.

Gore tends to overdo this, and lose the effect, but a good horror film knows how to force the audience to experience it, using sound more than visuals (you can't completely turn off those ears, after all.)

Most importantly, YOUR MONSTER MUST NOT BE RELATE-ABLE.

The more we understand something, the less we fear it. There's a fucking reason that Michael Myers is refered to as "The Shape" in the original Halloween.

look it up

Great jump scares are hard to pull off, but when they are done correctly they are amazing.
I dont like the out of the blue jumpscares.

Its hard to explain, but you have had to built a pretty decent atmosphere through the movie.
Like its been a nominal level of creepy or weird the entire time. But suddenly a scene pops up and things immediately feel different and you get that feeling that there is something really wrong happening.
There is a short and sweet buildup, and you almost know in your mind that jumpscare is coming but it still takes you off guard when it happens.

Its pretty hard to grip an audience like that though.

>The more we understand something, the less we fear it. There's a fucking reason that Michael Myers is refered to as "The Shape" in the original Halloween.

i think thats not quite right. i fear irrational crazy people and i understand that theyre irrational crazy people

I never finished the Amnesia game. As soon as the monster thing attacked and killed me I no longer was scared of it.

But you fear them less, because you understand them.

thats not true i fear them heaps because i understand them

theyre fucking feral and likely to harm you for no reason

that is what i find scary

I think he's alluding to a different fear than fear of the unknown, fear of helplessness. eg a complete psycho is after, unrelenting, you understand them and know he won't stop, whereas if just some person you didn't understand was after you you wouldn't know the extent of the risk in that case.

See the above post regarding atmosphere of oppression and claustrophobia.

But I do see what you/he are/is refering to.

after you be the victim of a random violent attack you realise that violent feral irrational people are scary

you can bolster up and lift weights and do your best but the truth is the random guy on the street might just snap and force you to defend yourself for no reason

once its happend your brain accepts it can happen again and you become conscious of it

>Tension and suspense

Sounds like you don't want horror. Moodiness is not fear inducing, I just think you want to sound smart and refined.

The only thing that matters in horror is horrific imagery that is believable on a uncanny Valley level. Think the little girls from the shining, think that four legged creature that backs into the woods, the face of the baba babadook, this scene from mama, the scene from the Omen where the girl hangs herself.

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Tension naturally builds itself around the events, that's what makes things creepy. If you were ever afraid of a picture on the internet, it's not because someone was building tension around you, in fact it's quite the opposite. Everything was normal, you build tension automatically as a fear response to the horrific imagery, the distorted face, the killer's movement which didn't seem real, like when the guy gets pulled into the closet in Texas Chainsaw Massacre. A perfectly normal day, humans interacting not out of fear, but with pride and self respect, "Hello, sir, is anybody home?" as he is the confident, consimate male impressing the female who is with him, only to, in an instant, be chopped up off screen.

Moody vignetting, blue tinted filters, actors who clearly know they're in a horror movie, "dark and spooky" settings are not scary. They are safe, because there is no way for that fear to transfer over into real life, which is the ultimate goal of horror.

>atmosphere of oppression and claustrophobia
yeah all valid points especially for a monster horror movie and generally in those types of movie the less you know about the monster the scarier it is. I agree.

I never finished the Amnesia game because it was boring as shit

Characters I can identify with or at least like. The ability and restraint necessary to create real dread. Actors who can portray fear believably. The list can go on...

Partying teenager douchebag protagonists.


Not enough of them, IMO.

a "good" horror movie need to have shit actors doing shit lines with a shit accent and no laughs at all.

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Characters that make good decisions, but still end up in deep shit.

YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA

I am going to need to know what movie this is from.

I like it when movies put the characters in a situation that would otherwise be normal to them but over time they figure out that something is very, very wrong.
Bonus points to any movie that can do this without a body turning up. Any movies that do this?

This makes it a thriller, not a horror

By definition horror is part of the fantasy-scifi genre, removing the unnatural makes iþ a thriller

Goblin soundtrack

You mean necrogoblin?
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The Evil Dead is a perfect movie. You don't know what the fuck you're even saying.

First: You have to care about the characters. If they suffering but you don't care then the movie has failed.

Second: It's almost imposible to make a truly scary monster because there has been a ton of horror movies. It's very difficult to really scare everyone. But you can tell a good creepy story or try something new.

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well put

these 2bh

>By definition

That image highlights something I wish I saw more off, I experienced it with sleep paralysis. I'm not sure what to call it so I'll call it "awkward horror".

Imagine if you just walked into a room and saw that thing standing there looking at you, you don't want to look at it, but you're too afraid to turn your back on it. There would be this agonizing stalemate that could be enhanced with music.

Anyone else now what Im talking about?

1. Likeable and interesting protagonists

So no college kids or the nuclear family, these were done to death and beyond already

2. Tension, tension, tension

Without this, there is no threat

3. Release

This is the fault of movies which try to build dread with tension alone. The audience will get used to it. Note: Not fake scares followed by real scares. Everybody knows those and they are stupid as fuck.

4. Monster and gore design

Self-explanatory

That image has appeared in my dreams after I saw it.
First I saw it on /x/ on and laughed my ass off on how absurt it was. Then I went to bed and oh boy did things change.
I wish to see more unsettling pictures like that but nothing does it for me these days. For some reason that picture did.
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horror is all about the fucking unnatural you dip

atmosphere, coherent backstory, teen sex.

dolls

spooky

Doesn't she know how to put on makeup.

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which movie?

Needs to have a feeling of uneasiness about it

Soundtrack and the unexpected

Not him, but Texas Chainsaw 3D. It's an okay movie. Not that good, but at least they tried to do something a little different with the characters this time. The ending is weird though.

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>Jump scares

Those are so good.

thnx

There's different types of horror, so let's not go all autistic about definitions and dictionaries and shit ITT, okay?

I think one of the most important thing is consistency. keeping the same tone for the whole movie. Some movies try to switch tone at mid-point (and more rarely in the last act), but I find that it doesn't really work that well. These movies are more of a curiousity than anything else.

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31
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>During Halloween 1976 a group of carnival workers are traveling through the country in an RV, on their way to their next venue. Along the way they're stopped and attacked, with only a handful of them left alive - Charly (Sheri Moon Zombie), Venus (Meg Foster), Panda (Lawrence Hilton-Jacobs), Levon (Kevin Jackson), and Roscoe (Jeff Daniel Phillips). They're taken to a strange, large building, where three strange people wearing aristocratic wigs and powder force them to play "31". For the next 12 hours they must wander through a maze-like set of rooms where they must survive attempts by several people intent on torturing and murdering them. If they survive the full 12 hours they will be set free, although their captors freely express their disbelief that the captives will survive that long.

I'm just sick of ghost/possession shit so I'll watch anything that isn't that. fuck Blumhouse.

wish there was more horror like Phantasm & Evil Dead coming out, something fun and really weird with cool effects and shit.

wrong, try Possession 1981

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Now that I'm looking at it a little more closely, I never realized there was a Fatal Frame movie.

>Gekijōban Zero (劇場版 零〜ゼロ〜?, lit. Fatal Frame / Project Zero The Movie) is a 2014 Japanese lesbian romance horror film

I'm intrigued. Too bad jap movies are usually more miss than hit.

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It looks average. I don't have high hopes for it. probably a one time watch, nothing more.

you should watch the innkeepers

>japanese trailer
>j-pop starts playing
is this the asian BWWWWWWWWWWUUUUUUUUUU?

Emelie looks promising (with Sarah Bolger as the main actress). It's out, I think, but I still haven't seen it. Psycho-babysitter movie. Could be interesting.