Why do non-Americans struggle with grasping the concept of personal responsibility?

Why do non-Americans struggle with grasping the concept of personal responsibility?

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There is no individual. There is only the collective, the nation, the state. There can be no personal responsibility because there is no personhood, there are merely serfs tirelessly working to expand the state to ever greater power in the eternal struggle between all.

t. Romanov

Alright Vladimir, make sure you get in the bread line before they run out again.

*walks towards you*

The upper class of Americans does not take personal responsibility.

People are lazy and want to be given things for free.

Is having free health care violating personal responsibility?

Tell me more about personal responsibility in the nation where declaring bankruptcy to collect corporate welfare is a legitimate business tactic.

Considering the working highly educated part of the populace has to more or less pay for the lazy idiots who live unhealthy lives and have no inclination to work hard in life, yes.

In what way are Americans taking responsibility, and for what?

>free

Amerikeks can't even take responsibility for NAFTA.

The Bush bailouts were legitimately bullshit, and most Republican voters turned on him for that. That's why he left office with such terrible approval ratings. It also prompted a tea party movement to oust many of the fucks in Congress who went along with it.

Republican voters will actually punish their elected officials if they abuse the system. Liberals just start riots and whine for a few months.

my dad has worked for over 30 years and is a veteran so I don't know why you would say he doesn't deserve free healthcare or government benefits when life gets him down.

That's pretty mean

LMAO

Are Americans taking responsibility for electing a government that triggered the immigration crisis with neo-conservative interventionism by accepting refugees?

Are you accepting the fact that you don't have to take any refugees?

Just close the gates

>the highly working part has to work for lazy idiots

But billionaires and CEOs pay smaller tax rates than the average joe working at the assembly line.

Yes actually, we just don't want the kind that blow up upon delivery.

You guys could always just shoot them

Hey, it worked for Ireland.

We both know low wage earners oftentimes work the longest hours, do the most dangerous jobs and are under physically extraneous conditions.

Is the American banking sector going to take responsibility for causing the financial crisis? Oh wait, they begged for government money generated by the American tax payer in order to stay afloat. Is this the American interpretation of responsibility? If you are a oligargarch then you can rest assured that your ass will be saved by socializing the damages but the average joe is fucked?

You say that as if Right-wingers aren't the side that supports healthcare and other benefits for veterans.

Liberals who want universal free healthcare are the ones who spit on Veterans and call them murderers.

Is Germany taking responsibility for ruining Europe, again?

Yes, I voted for Obama and his re-election. An administration that created a power vacuum that created opportunity of the rise of the islamic state and did not reinforce the red-line against the leaders in Syria, bot the leading causes of the refugee crisis. I didn't make the same mistake and voted Trump this time.

We have and we will.

Well it wouldn't be a shitshow right now if you faggots didn't intervene the last time, yeah?

That's pretty much completely bullshit and dangerous dirty jobs pay extremely well for how little education is required.

Learning a trade like Plumber, Electrician, and Welder yield very good salaries because few people want to do those jobs.

Artic crab fishing is deemed the most dangerous job in the world, but it's super profitable.

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>be born in the middle of africa with no education, food, culture
>but hey look this one dude wrote a self bio about how he learned how to code because he found a book in the trash yard
>therefore it's everyone's fault they are poor
>american logic

It wouldn't be a shitshow if a certain leader in a certain country didn't invite them now would it?

>People are unemployed because they want to be unemployed.

Why do people believe this?

That wouldn't have happened if Hitler won you nonce.

>Americans
>Not struggling with concept of personal responsibility

We cannot forget how our own President cannot even grasp the idea of "personal responsibility"

Marxism has a firm grip on the west.

Europe was and always has been a shitshow. It's only in recent history where it has seen a very brief periods of stability and genuine peace.

>personal responsibility
Cyberpunk 2077?

....What?

Shouldn't you be doing your homework or your chores or something?

The only fault with the Banks is we never should have bailed them out, but the reason for the housing crisis was still largely the government's fault.

Clinton signed a Bill which agreed to back morgage loans to poor people with terrible credit, and the banks who had just been given a safety net went crazy with offering out loans to retards who clearly would never pay them back, but morgage bonds were seen as such a safe investment that it continued until the bubble finally popped.

Basically, the government told banks they not longer had personal responsibility for handing out shit loans, so obviously they exploited it.

Because it's fucking true. If you can't find a job, it means you've made poor decisions in life.

The highest educated and highest earners are entirely dependant on the modern slavery of the lower classes. Without these hard working poor, the rich would have no support for their lifestyles.
America is the working model of how capitalism can be manipulated to create a caste system in the modern world.

And this is why you'll always be a poor worthless loser. Until you view life as something you control and give all of your effort towards becoming the thing you truly want to be, you'll just become a self-fullfilling prophecy of being a loser.

You're a fucking manchild living in a bubble.

The average CEO works 57 hours a week, gets very little sleep, and what little off-time they have is usually spent focusing on their career instead of relaxing or spending time with their family.

The notion that people high up in the business chain don't work hard is absolutely bullshit.

You're a fucking manchild living in a nanny state with an insanely inflated cost of living who's entire economy is reliant on the single city of Perth propping your entire liberal country up.

He's right though

> I lack basic human empathy and believe this allows me to dictate the lives of others.

I'm quite sure their vote allows them to dictate the lives of others. Just as the jobless basement-dweller's vote does.

I live in a right wing state and they don't want to give health care to anybody.

I don't know why you think republicans care about healthcare unless if it's related to the free market.

Fuck off, Milton.

I don't lack empathy, you lack pragmatism. Churchill among others famously said if you're young and conservative you lack a heart, but if you're old and liberal you lack a brain and it's no less true today than it has always been throughout history.

>Marxism has a firm grip on the west
>Marxism is having a strong hold on the western sector
>Marxism is the dominate power system in the western part of the planet earth
>MARXISM

Do you even know what Marxism is, lad?
I can guarantee you that it has never had a firm grip on the west, and never will have a firm grip in the west, because the people actually have to want Marxism in order for Marxism to come about.

if you can't see my point you are dumbshit brainwashed idiot
I have changed my life so ridiculously but I don't have to have my head in my own ass to not see how I'm not given more or less opportunity than others or how these things affected my behavior that are beyond those like themotivational videos made by people who "made it".
if you think the value of people should be dictated by the same rules of market, which is how you see people, you should go fuck yourself.

AM I BEING DETAINED?!

Can someone explain to me what's supposedly pragmatic about paying way more for a healthcare system that is in total inferior, provides worse care for the average person and results in a lower life expectancy?

You are quoting a person that supported genocide with chemical weapons within the context of 'empathy'?

If you want to use anecdotes, my mother used to work at the hospital and she had to treat numerous repeat patients who's health problems were entirely their own fault and they continually refused to make positive changes in their life because they were lazy, and the cost of treatment fell entirely on the taxpayers.

I don't want to pay for minorities (people who can't afford healthcare)

I am quoting a person who ultimately was on the winning side of the deadliest war in history, and afterwards humanity experienced the greatest sustained era of peace ever.

>"Why do you want to succeed, son? Why do you want to do well in school?"

>"To make my family proud. To bring honor to my school. To serve my country."

>"Your goals are directed outward. A boy like Randolph wants only to gratify himself. This is the path to moral decay. The decadence ruined this country before the war. You will grow to be a useful member of society. You will make our nation stronger. Randolph will not, whatever his test score."

There is no higher moral responsibility than that which one has to the state.

This guy gets it. America is in complete and utter chaos, easily manipulated because it puts the individual before the good of the state.

Literally never said that.

In a socialized system their problems wouldn't balloon into tax-funded emergencies in the first place since they wouldn't avoid going to the doctor until it's to late for the lack of insurance.

That's the reason why every other western nation is paying less than America.

But you are already paying through taxes anyway when they have to go to the ER. You are paying more because... why? Spite? And you think yourself as being a rational person? Seriously?

kek
don't you realize how companies affect your culture and thus the behavior of those people who don't take care of themselves?
britain has free healthcare and they invest on nutrition education programs, while in america shitty food consumption culture is everywhere and glorified. do you SERIOUSLY THINK that such companies don't invest millions to make people disdain healthy lifestyles and be ok with eating shitty food? your stupid culture is dictated by who makes the biggest profit.

>it's their fault they let themselves be influenced by advertisement
fuck you

If Humans weren't competitive advantageous creatures like all organisms, we'd still be living as nomads constantly at the will of nature and suffering would still exist everywhere every day until we were all finally wiped out by an exploding sun.

Literally nothing would be different in terms of ethics and suffering would still exist, probably to an even greater extent if we lacked the ambition to conatantly compete with one another.

It is better to live culturally under full social security than to freedom where the gun manufacturing industry and the pharmaceutical industry make an unlimited amount of money.
USA is just as good as the third world.

As soon as Germany successfully supports a country like Nigeria as well in their free healthcare system, then you can talk about how great your system would work in the US.

Wrong

humans have the most flexible behavior of all animals and your denial of the possibility of changing how people behave is the conformative/passive attitude you criticize so much.

>Humans r special

Natural selection never stopped being a thing simply because we became intelligent. Fucking commies parade the same spiel just about every few decades and proclaim "NOW we are finally civilized enough to enact socialism", and their stupid shitty system collapses again, and repeat the process again a few years later.

We never desire to acquire American nationality.
For us, American nationality is not as valuable as Pakistani nationality.
Dangerous gun society, unhealthy people, medical systems pursuing only economic exploitation, riots, looting, all have not reached the level of civilized countries.

If you are rich, you can do a reasonable living, but you can do such things in Thailand.

This is non-argument.

Sure the American population is larger than the one of Germany but so is its economy, disproportionatly even. So you guys could actually afford to have a way better healthcare system for the average person for the same cost. So, tell me again where is the pragmatism here?

Why do you insist on paying more for a demonstrately inferior system as shown by pretty much every developed country on earth when you are paying for Jamal 's ER visit anyway because he didn' t go the the doctor with that infected blister due to the lack of insurance?

This is not pragmatic. This is not economical. This is not rational. This is crazy.

kek
you are talking to a biologist. you don't know jackshit about human behavior or evolution. you also think every leftsist thinks the same way because you have a retarded dualistic party system that are BOTH right winged.
if you think that every culture and everyone can only think one way you need to get the fuck out of your house and your country.

Thailand is a shithole with insane censorship, an overbearing government, and lack of personal freedom, so it's not even remotely comparable to the US.

ahh yes

Why can't american democrats understand it either? Maybe once that happens we can figure out the rest of the world.

>A biologist

Come back to me when you're a geneticist.

You say this even as I'm a fat lazy NEET who sits at home mooching off his hardworking parents at the tender age of twenty-two.

love how no one have shit to say about this.

I found that map interesting as well. Trump's America looks like America. Cliton's America looks like an archipelago.

It's called one-citizen-one-vote, not 'one-county-one-vote'

Well user, you more than anybody should then be aware of how cancerous socialism is because most humans will naturally default to the easy option than a more rewarding hard but accomplished life.

I hope you're at least self-aware and ashamed of yourself.

Your freedom is only to help you choose a Donald John Trump or George Walker Bush as president.


What you are exercising is about the freedom to be an idiot.

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Don't try reasoning with trumpfags. They're delusional cucks who put their fingers in their ears and screech memes even as his retardation continues to manifest itself more intensely every day.

>mfw black republican in California

Western individualism propelled us to become a country which absolutely slapped your shit in WW2 and turn you in to a glorified vassel.

One of the major things talked about when dividing up the country into counties like this is the fact that the red area is significantly more diverse. Many people living drastically different lives.

Blue area is significantly more similar in lifestyle and demographic. To a large degree, it's showing the threat of tyranny by majority. This, fairly homogeneous, group in blue is big enough in number to potentially push onto everyone else federal law they see as invalid.

Having an electoral college and creating maps to see if candidates have a broad or narrow appeal are about monitoring that tyranny by majority.

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Can you please elaborate in what sense people living in these areas are more diverse?

>the threat of tyranny by majority
I never understood this, is the tyranny of minority better ?

As you move across a region things change pretty significantly. The general terrain, natural resources and soil changes the type of work and industry that takes place in those areas. Primarily for those blue and pink collar outside of the urban centers. Areas of logging, farming, mines, fishing, etc. The orange grove's of America's south and the fishing communities of new England are not very similar.

That being said, urban centers are different as well, but there's a couple things at play here. Urban centers are significantly more tied in to one another. Much higher usage and availability of the internet, TV and the like. This means they tend to develope culturally more in parallel, while loggers in Michigan and farmers in Nebraska have more divergent cultures.

And the basic structure of cities, and cost of doing business there, means that it tends to be dominated by service, retail and managerial jobs. This is where a lot of the white collar work happens. And white collar work is much more similar to other white collar work, while blue collar work can be much more diverse.

I'm not sure if you've ever worked as a project manager or director for a company, but while the actual industry of your company matters and knowing it is important, management ultimately doesn't change much. So maybe your logging company working out of Maine has management in Boston. The white collar votes dem, the blue and pink in Farmington, Maine are voting red. Or another company, the blue and pink collar out in the orange groves near Waycross are voting red, but the white collar back in Atlanta is voting blue. Fact is Farmington and Waycross are more different than Boston and Atlanta.

And one issue I haven't touched on, is the physical landmass is just plain bigger. You would generally expect a smaller mass of land to be less diverse than a bigger mass of land. That should be fairly obvious.

Most people live in the blue areas.

You got that the other way around brother. The republicans, whether they are completely pro-trump, not, or against are not rallying in protests about every roadblock the dems try to use on the new administration. I am a conservative who does not agree with everything the presidents wants to do, but don't preach about every butthurt issue.
>dems says say the environment - leave streets worse than they were before

>xDDDDDDD land should vote not people :DDD

>57 hours per week

This is considered hard work? Might want to talk to some farmers, see what they think about this. My grandfather worked sun up to sun down on the farm into his 70s for basically pennies and food on the table. I get the feeling you haven't hung out with many C level people, but this just isn't the case at all, they all have their wind down time, you have to.

Working a lot or hard doesn't directly translate to pay, just reality. I know a guy that works 80 hours a week, but makes more than a lot of C level execs I know and I know people who do jack shit who also make shitloads of cash. I worked 80+ hours a week and got nothing from it when I was younger, now I work like 35 hours a week for six figures.

>FIB attempting to converse
wew

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>I work 57-80 hours a week
>I am free, look at those europlebs and chinks :D
>They don't undestand invidualism and personal responsibility :D
>Freedom was invented in ameriga :D

Eternal Ruskie