Hey fintroll, i want to hear your opinions about having to learn Swedish in your schools. Do you care about it? Is it a waste of time and energy that could have been used for something else during school?
FINLAND FORCED TO LEARN SWEDISH
Jeremiah Taylor
Jaxson Adams
Jace Powell
YAMARO STOP HAVING SUPPERIOR MUSIC YOU DARN FINNS!
Parker Miller
BUT TAKE SOLACE IN THE FACT THAT THEY SING IN SWEDISH AND LIKE HALF OF THEM ARE SVENNEBOOOIIIS!
Bentley Young
I don't mind it. Got me a summer job in northern Norway where I lost my virginity at tender age of 18.
James Stewart
DOES THAT MEAN YOU ENJOY BEING FORCED TO LEARN SWEDISH IN SCHOOL?!?
Brandon Lopez
t. Cai-Göran
Shit-tier band
Isaac Hughes
For many can be the reason they dont learn french/spanish/german etc. in school, too much work. Usefullness is too limited for it to be mandatory, easterners should be able to choose Russian as an option imho.
Thomas Morris
>easterners should be able to choose Russian as an option imho.
Are you saying that they can't now?
Jayden Watson
to breivik?
Jose Edwards
No, Swedish is mandatory in every corner of this country no matter how useless in daily life.
t. other
Tyler Gray
As far as I know, no. Its pretty retarted, though the possibility of moving into choosing one of the two languages has been thought about. Live in the western coast myself, so not really an expert on these things.
Jose Carter
Kinda waste of time since Swedes already spead good English and Coastal Swedes already spead Finnish.
Finns just don't learn Swedish since we don't experience naturally like English (video games, music etc.) and the teaching of Swedish begins too late (in secondary school wtf) and is just learning grammar, not actual sentences and words which makes it too complicated.
Nowadays there is a trend with Scandinavian languages though. More Swedish songs pop up to the Spotify Top-50 and the Norwegian tv-series Skam has made learning Swedish much more popular.
No, they can't.
t. doing civilian/non-military service in school
Alexander Lee
Well, of course Finns have to learn Swedish, that's obvious. But surely they can choose to learn any other language, like French or Russian, if they wish as well?
Cameron Cox
>begins too late
Fuck off, it shouldn't begin at all.
>trend with Scandinavian languages
No such trend.
Cameron Cruz
Why of course? If all the Swedes in finland knows Finish anyways, shouldnt Swedish be a private interest insted of forced public one. It just seemed like a waste of energy for the kids who should focus on maybe something else with their time. If you are on the finland cruise you use mostly english anyways when speaking to finns.
Jonathan Adams
Why shouldnt it begin at all?
Lincoln Lopez
Picking 3 foreign languages is not possible in high school, English and Swedish take up two of those slots. Instead of learning a backwatery microlanguage like Swedish those hours could be spent learning a world language that is actually practical.
Alexander Jones
>Fuck off, it shouldn't begin at all.
I mean that if it should be teached, it's too late for it to start learning a new language.
>No such trend
I don't know where you live, but here in Häme Swedish music and shit are getting popular amongst teens.
Jose Walker
>this is the number one song on finland's spotify top 50
youtube.com
are you stuck in 2007? it sounds like the numa numa song
not that sweden is much better
Dominic Rogers
>Why of course?
Because Finland has a great education system, and even if it didn't, any first world country should be expected to teach it's children its languages. Finns obviously learn Swedish in school.
Blake Roberts
>foreign languages
>Swedish
Does not compute, amigo
Ryan Thomas
It is useless and a relic of the past. Scandinavians conduct all their business in world languages, only anti-Finnish racists insist on giving them the upper hand in business dealings and other settings by allowing them to converse in their native language.
Gabriel Bennett
>their native language
Yours too m8
Alexander Rogers
I HAVEN'T BEEN IN SCHOOL IN OVER 10 YEARS! SO NO, EVEN THOU IT'S AN ABSURD "RULE" AND CLASS. :)
Chase Johnson
It is a foreign language that was imposed on our people. Luckily, it is dying.
Not for 95% of Finns, therefore it gives Scandicucks an upper hand in all social settings.
Ryan Cook
But thats private interest in learning a language you want to.
It seems like most Finns dont care or want to learn Swedish which are forced upon them. Isnt it a right for them in a first world country not having to learn a language because of minorities?
Isnt this like the idea that we in Sweden one day would be FORCED in school to learn arabic because of a big minority?
Jack Evans
>Swedish which are forced upon them
>learn a language because of minorities
>foreign language that was imposed on our people
You guys are acting like Swedish isn't Finland's official language. Like Finland isn't a bilingual nation. Like educating a nations children in the language of their country is a weird thing.
>it gives Scandicucks an upper hand in all social settings
There are no Scandinavian Finns, why would you bring up Scandinavia when talking about Finland, you are being ridiculous.
Wyatt Lopez
So from what I remember from threads on here the fennoswede meme party has absolutely no other issue besides swedish education in finnish schools, and they always manage to attach themselves to the leading coalition
When will your fave interest group ever
Josiah Gonzalez
>absolutely no other issue besides swedish education in finnish schools
That's their most noticeable impact, but I think they also protect and ensure the continued useage of the Swedish language in Finland in other ways.
Liam Rodriguez
We are in practice monolingual. Removal of mandatory Swedish will pave the way for official monolinguality, therefore the Svecomans are shit-scared of the majority of Finns getting their will through in this regard.
>there are no Scandinavian Finns
Stop playing dense, you imperialist fuck! All Fennoswedes can speak Finnish, and the minority bends for the majority and its will and not vice versa in this day and age. Literally the only way Svecomans can justify mandatory Swedish is business dealings with Scandinavians because they know that Fennoswedes can speak fluent Finnish. It is their and THEIR burden alone to upkeep their pitiful minority language. Even that trade argument falls flat on its face because it is in no way advantageous to us to give the Swedes an upper hand there.
Lincoln Richardson
Yeah.They are our version of jewish lobbyists.
Lucas James
Not everyone who excels at school is Cai-Göran, you know.
Chase Harris
They also support immigration pretty hard even though ironically it will also weaken them as a % into further obscurity.
They aren't really hypocrites though, immigrants flock to Swedish speaking areas and Finland-Swedes have no problem whatsoever with this.
Carson Taylor
>Trying this hard to justify being less than a true Finn.
Finland is a nation with two languages. Any citizen who speaks only one of those languages is either mentally handicapped or irredemably lazy.
>justify mandatory Swedish is business dealings with Scandinavians
Because there is no benefit in speaking a language outside of profit. You make me sick, you pathetic ignorance apologist. Speaking Swedish in Finland is an expression of ethnic connection and unity for the Finnish people. It has nothing to do with Sweden. Swedes can barely understand a word of Swedish spoken by a Finn. Involving Sweden is just a tactic used by the power-hungry to trick the degenerate traitors of the Finnish constitution to turn their self-hatred from their inability to live up to the expectations of their country into hatred of a completely unrelated country and thus win votes. Finland has two languages, and all true finns speak them. DOn't you even realize what great stretches of expression you've achieved by living in a country which teaches and embraces equally two languages of such different origins and roots?
Ryder Sanders
I did very well at school. This is another propaganda tactic that Svecomans tend to employ in the face of opposition; labelling said (Finnish-speaking) opposition uneducated and stupid, with historical racism as its pretext.
Brody Taylor
t. had to learn swedish to get laid
Ryder Wilson
Why are you so strongly against learning swedish? Easy language, opens many doors.
Jack Collins
>Finnish-speaking
There is nothing meritorious in speaking only one language well, rather than two. If one had decent access to both, but only managed to learn one, it should probably be pretty embarrassing or humiliating.
Jayden Sanchez
>Finland is a nation with two languages
Officially, perhaps. In practice we are monolingual. In no other country in Europe does a similar system exist, where a 5% minority gets to have official language status and dictate what languages the majority should learn in school.
>handicapped or irredemably lazy
See >Because there is no benefit in speaking a language outside of profit
Not in this globalized world. We need to look into the future, not the past. Your imperialist days are long gone Sven, ought to just accept it and move on.
>You make me sick
YOU make me sick, Svecoman filth.
>Speaking Swedish in Finland is an expression of ethnic connection and unity for the Finnish people
More like disconnection. Finnish being spoken by everybody would connect us like never before.
>It has nothing to do with Sweden
Yes it does. It came with Swedish imperialists to Finland.
>Involving Sweden is just a tactic used by the power-hungry to trick the degenerate traitors of the Finnish constitution to turn their self-hatred from their inability to live up to the expectations of their country into hatred of a completely unrelated country and thus win votes.
Your Svecoman psychosis is tainting your judgment. It is the power-hungry Swedes like you who wish to maintain the current state of affairs, for it benefits you and you exclusively. Artificial bilinguality costs us billions of euros yearly, a madness will soon come to an end.
>Finland has two languages, and all true finns speak them. DOn't you even realize what great stretches of expression you've achieved by living in a country which teaches and embraces equally two languages of such different origins and roots
Objectively it hasn't benefited us one bit, only caused division and hatred. It is best, for all of us, that Fennoswedes finally stop fighting back and assimilate into the majority.
Noah Green
There is nothing meritorious about knowing Swedish, for on a global scale it is just as irrelevant as Finnish. Bilingualism on its own isn't very much of a merit, it only becomes one when it involves languages that are of any use to you.
Camden Jones
Most Finns know Finnish and English, they're already bilingual :^)
Jayden Rogers
Except knowing swedish you'd also have a pretty good go at norwegian and danish languages as well. It's not a handicap to be able to speak in the same language with your neighbours.
I'm sorry if you feel this way about swedish. I'm sure you'd otherwise be fluent in french or spanish, if only it wasn't for those damned Swedes and their oppression.
Austin Reyes
>5% minority gets to have official language status
Why do Finnish people like this meme so much? Swedish is the language of all Finns. There is no meaningful division in "Finland-Swede & Finlanders" it's all just Finnish people.
>>It has nothing to do with Sweden
>Yes it does. It came with Swedish imperialists to Finland.
>We need to look into the future, not the past.
How the language came about is completely irrelevant. It is spoken by all capable Finns who haven't degenerated into laziness, and who aren't traitors to the Republic of Finland.
>Fennoswedes finally stop fighting back and assimilate into the majority.
The Swedish language doesn't exist in Finland because of Fennoswedes or Svecomen or whatever made up groups you want to blame. It exists because it's the language of the nation, and is part of the nation's identity. And there is no assimilation required. Simply taking ones education seriously as well as being raised with a proper spirit of patriotism and nationalist values will give all future generations of young Finns the courage to take their languages to heart and embrace their country with love.
Isaac Phillips
>and is part of the nation's identity.
Wrong.
Vast majority of Finns do not recognize Swedish as any part of their identity.
Fuck off Swen.
We are not kin, and I am eagerly waiting for your extinction at the hands of the mudslimes you have invited to your homeland.
Serves you faggots right.
Brandon Flores
who the fuck cares anyway?
this issue is irrelevant to every country except for finland.
Xavier Johnson
Why do you always insist on posting the same littany of "arguments" for mandatory Swedish that have been debunked a thousand times over? Scandinavians conduct all their business in English and other world languages, and most Finns never move to Scandinavia. It is useless for the vast majority of Finns, therefore it shouldn't be a mandatory subject. You can't prove me wrong, so don't even bother replying if you intend to resort to character attacks once more.
Angel Morris
You moron do realize that most Finns never learn Swedish because there is zero need for that useless, disgusting language in most of Finland.
Eli Torres
Yes, that's it, learn French, my friends !
Ayden Green
It's merely a historic remnant.
Swedish should be optional in municipalities that aren't majority Swedish speaking (99% of the municipalities in Finland) and mandatory in municipalities that are majority Swedish speaking.
Not everyone HAS to learn it, but everyone should be ABLE to learn it.
Hunter Diaz
Don't you both speak English? Just communicate with that. Simpler, effective.
Alexander Wright
>We are not kin
I never said we were. I share no culture with a Fin.
>Vast majority of Finns do not recognize Swedish as any part of their identity.
Irrelevant.
All Finns owe it to their nation to conform to it's laws. If the law that states that the national languages of Finland are Finnish and Swedish bother you, than be some form of protestor and try to get support for violating the constitution. If you think the nation, it's countless future citizens and it's millions of dead heroes is yours to decide over, then do as you will. You make me sick.
Christian Reed
>Swedish is the language of all Finns
No it isn't, most Finns don't speak it.
>There is no meaningful division in "Finland-Swede & Finlanders"
Yes there is, said divider being language.
>How the language came about is completely irrelevant
No it isn't, for it is mirrored in contemporary attitudes for and against it, because history is all they have left to justify it.
>who haven't degenerated into laziness
You're a fucking idiot.
>The Swedish language doesn't exist in Finland because of Fennoswedes or Svecomen or whatever made up groups you want to blame.
Yes it does. Without Swedish imperialism, it wouldn't exist.
You should re-read my post, seeing as reading comprehension isn't one of your strong suits
Ryan Taylor
>mfw mandatory Swedish is bound to be killed within the next few decades simply because of the old cucked politicians that still advocate for it retiring/dying off and majority of youth parties being neutral on the subject, or opposing the policy of mandatory swedish.
>mfw in 100 years, Fennoswedes will become basically extinct due to assimilation.
Feels good knowing that the tongue of our ancestors oppressors will finally fucking die from our homeland.
Nathaniel Carter
even if it was an option i would see maybe 5-10% choosing to try study russian
t. born and lived 20yrs imatra 7km from border
Grayson Ward
Languages are taught because they are decided by a societies laws. Not because they happen to be spoken the most.
Adam Gomez
There is no law in Finland that states that every Finn should know Swedish.
There is a law that forces that disgusting tongue to be taught to all children, most of whom never learn it.
Eat shit, Swen.
Asher Clark
yes
Owen Garcia
Did I imply otherwise?
I just said how it should be, and how it most likely will be when my generation gains the position of power in a few decades.
Hudson Diaz
Laws can be changed and will be changed to suit the will of the majority, eventually. They already would've been, if we lived in a real democracy. Sadly, our parliament is corrupt and in the pocket of the Svecoshits.
Zachary Johnson
>No it isn't, most Finns don't speak it.
Most Finns are dead, or not yet born. The three or four generations that live now do not speak for the nation, which will live on into the infinite. The citizens of Finland will obey the laws of Finland. If 2000, or 2.000.000 Finns decided to never learn to write or speak Finnish or Swedish, their languages would still be Finnish and Swedish. The citizens must conform to the culture dictated by the nation.
>Yes there is, said divider being language.
No such divider has a moral basis for existing. All Finns have a duty to speak the languages of their nation. They cannot be divided between the loyal citizens who speak both languages and the slothful who speak only one.
>history is all they have left to justify it.
Nothing needs to justify the existence of either the Finnish or the Swedish language. The fact that they are written into the constitution of Finland enshrine them into law.
Jonathan Williams
i would support removing mandatory swedish only if it was replaced completely by another language that you can choose from, german,french,swedish,russian or whatever your school offers you
the bad thing is though that small bönde schools can't afford to have teachers for every language
right now mandatory swedish is only making relations between finnish & swedish speakers worse
Isaac Howard
There is a law that states that the national languages of Finland are Finnish and Swedish. The civic and patriotic duty of all Finns is to speak the languages decided by the law.
Christopher White
>Hey fintroll, i want to hear your opinions about having to learn Swedish in your schools. Do you care about it?
Not that much, but I think it's dumb
>Is it a waste of time and energy that could have been used for something else during school?
Yes.
Michael Rogers
>If you think the nation, it's countless future citizens and it's millions of dead heroes is yours to decide over
You arrogantly insist that the fate of Finland is not to be decided over by the vast majority of ethnic Finns? You make me sick!
Dominic Green
Is there a reciprocal law in Sweden requiring Swedes to learn Finnish?
Nolan Wright
Why do Swedes (as in Sweden-Swedes) even care if it's optional or mandatory?
It's not like we couldn't communicate if it was optional.
Gavin Clark
>if we lived in a real democracy
Rather give control of the entire nation and it's whole future and all therein to the masses who are too morally corrupt to even follow it's laws, just to give every malleable individual the sense that they had the power over the fates of millions? You disgrace the nation of Finland by existing within it's majesty.
Sebastian Gutierrez
It isn't reciprocal because Finland doesn't have it's law as some sort of favor to Sweden. They have it because Finland has two official languages put into it's constitution. Finnish law, it was decided should represent the influence of Swedish speakers on the society. It has everything to do with Finland's history and doesn't affect Sweden.
Grayson Martinez
>all true finns speak them
Jaxson Wilson
I don't think anyone actually cares. There was that historian who went on Finnish radio and advocated from a pragmatic approach, but since Swedes aren't affected we generally don't care. I personally care because I feel a bilingual nation should further and strengthen it's languages. And I view the two languages as very interesting and worthy of study. The Finnish variant of Swedish especially.
Joshua James
You think anyone can claim to be purely of a nation without embodying the languages of that nation?
Leo Ross
If you intent to do business with other nords, then you'd be way better of knowing their language. Sure they can all speak english, but stronger connections are way easily made if you can speak their language, ''tunnekieli'', as we say.
Kayden Miller
>It has everything to do with Finland's history
Exactly. It's merely a remnant in constitution, as I said before.
Julian King
>of that nation
Gavin Wood
Yes. Finnish and Swedish are the languages of Finland. Irrefutably; without doubt and without question.
Mason Robinson
>Most Finns are dead, or not yet born
You cannot consult the dead or those who have yet to live, I'm afraid. It is the contemporary populace that adjusts the laws to suit their era. I'm sure the Swedes of future generations would rather have Arabic as the language of their state, were they here yet. :^)
>The citizens of Finland will obey the laws of Finland. If 2000, or 2.000.000 Finns decided to never learn to write or speak Finnish or Swedish, their languages would still be Finnish and Swedish
No, most Finns are listed as monolingually Finnish in population statistics. The languages of the state are Finnish and Swedish (for now), but the majority of the populace is monolingually Finnish (excluding international languages for trade and commerce like English).
>No such divider has a moral basis for existing
Correct, therefore the moral thing to do is to get rid of the divider. That is, the petty minority language.
>All Finns have a duty to speak the languages of their nation
No law says this. It says that all Finns have a right to public service in the languages of the state, but not that all Finns are obliged to learn the language of a 5% minority.
>They cannot be divided between the loyal citizens who speak both languages and the slothful who speak only one
You keep bringing forth some patriotic sense of duty, as if it has anything to do with the agenda you and your ilk push. Swedish isn't a part of most Finns' identities, never has been and never will be. The true nationalist movements of the 19th century like IKL and AKS acknowledged this, embraced pan-Finnicism and rejected the Svecoman status quo.
>Nothing needs to justify the existence of either the Finnish or the Swedish language. The fact that they are written into the constitution of Finland enshrine them into law.
Finnish is the language of the majority and our ethnicity, Swedish is an immigrant language that was forcefully imposed on us. Go figure.
Justin Davis
The constitution is the law from which the very state itself is made manifest. Without the constitution there is no nation. There are no remnants within it. If something in the constitution isn't common in the society, then the society has fucked up and must adjust to better represent the constitution.
Ethan Sanders
OP must be the only Swede that finds catharsis in being Imperialistic towards the humble Finns
It's a very new century you know. Finland is moving ahead, you should try to as well, no use to antagonize them unjustly.
Dominic Parker
>Yes. Finnish and Swedish are the languages of Finland. Irrefutably; without doubt and without question.
Evan Taylor
>If you intent to do business with other nords, then you'd be way better of knowing their language
No, it merely gives them an advantage in every setting by being able to communicate in their own language and denying us the same.
>inb4 what about englishmen and finns wahwahwahhh
English is a world language, and we conduct our business in world languages.
Charles Flores
Why are Finno-Ugrics forced to learn a Nordic language that even the native population is abandoning?
Landon Bailey
>language of a 5% minority
You keep saying this. There is nothing like that. There is the single nation of 5 million citizens, and it's two languages. The languages belong to all the nations citizens, and no minority has claim to either one of them.
>Finnish is the language of the majority and our ethnicity
Of course it is. It is the language of every single Finn, living or dead. No one can morally be justified in rejecting it. As it is a language of Finland, that much is clear. And so it goes for all languages that the laws place in that position.
Jack Gray
You are in support of repressful tyranny, and will hang with other Svecoman traitors should you ever find yourself within our borders.
>You disgrace the nation of Finland by existing within it's majesty
Svecoman shitstains like you are the real disgrace, and will be purged.
Nathan Bennett
I see two untruths in that sentence.
Carson Moore
see and the posts that follow, you can see that the Svecoshit keeps just going and going with his circular reasoning and retardation.
Jace Thomas
never forget
Adrian Smith
>The languages belong to all the nations citizens, and no minority has claim to either one of them.
What he means is that virtually only 5% speak it, and the rest don't.
Besides the predominantly Swedish speaking west coast and Åland, there's no need for Swedish proficiency.
Anthony Collins
>circular reasoning
Follow the law, and embrace patriotism. I have suggested nothing less. It is all I wish for you and all Finns to do.
Carter Young
Well it seems to me your running out of ammo.
>No, it merely gives them an advantage in every setting by being able to communicate in their own language and denying us the same.
Who's denying you anything? I hear the same bitching all the time studying a rather prestigious subject in swedish in Helsinki, despite being from a finnish speaking family.
Nordism is an excellent brand worldwide, and stronger co-operation with our neighbours is essential to compete in the global market. Why would you want to throw that away? I have yet to hear a proper answer as to why is swedish such a huge boogeyman to you?
Evan Gray
>You keep saying this. There is nothing like that.
Yes there is, the vast majority of the population does not speak it.
>There is the single nation of 5 million citizens, and it's two languages
Nope, there is a state and its two languages.
>The languages belong to all the nations citizens, and no minority has claim to either one of them.
Yes they do. If you speak Swedish you are a Fennoswede, and if you speak Finnish you are an ethnic Finn. It is not us who started this division, but Fennoswedes. They're the ones who arrogantly on being finlandssvenskar or suomenruotsalaiset, "Finland's Swedes" rather than Finns.
>Of course it is. It is the language of every single Finn, living or dead. No one can morally be justified in rejecting it. As it is a language of Finland, that much is clear.
Yes, every single ethnic Finn that is. Fennoswedes on the other hand speak Swedish, as I already stated.
>And so it goes for all languages that the laws place in that position.
No, most Finns don't consider Swedish language their own or part of their identity. No laws can change that. It is a language of the state, but not a language of all Finns, but a pesky 5% minority.
Charles Butler
I can believe that only 5% speak it as their primary language. But if you mean that only 5% of people who are citizens of Finland speak it at all, I would need to see a good source before I believed you. That would mean Finns were like the worst pupils in the world, and that your education system has been really overhyped.
Joseph Young
Then Finland has some really terrible citizens, if they can't reflect the state that they have built. If the ethnicity they hold to is so removed from their nation state, they must be quite backwards.
Jonathan Martin
can you explain what this map is?
Adam Brooks
You never had any ammo to begin with.
sampoterho.puheenvuoro.uusisuomi.fi
>Who's denying you anything
In the context of my previous post; Scandinavians conduct all their business with languages other than their own. Therefore giving them a homeground advantage so to speak by dealing with them in their respective languages serves nobody but them.
>Nordism is an excellent brand worldwide, and stronger co-operation with our neighbours is essential to compete in the global market. Why would you want to throw that away? I have yet to hear a proper answer as to why is swedish such a huge boogeyman to you?
If Finnish isn't a Nordic language, then it is a very artificial and forced brand indeed.
Jose Flores
All Finns have varying proficiency in Swedish, yes. Including me. I know the basics, but I wouldn't be able to properly communicate with it.
The law, was it constitutional or not, isn't always right. Only a sheep-minded comformist would think so. As I stated here everyone should be able to learn Swedish, and only those who live in a predominantly Swedish speaking environment should be forced to learn it due to obvious reasons. So yes, we should be a monolingual country but we should also respect the Swedish speaking minority.
James Murphy
Most Finns had no say in the writing of the constitution, so your point is moot.
Cameron Cooper
>be my friend
>3rd grade
>you can choose to study English or French t.teacher
>choose French
>Still have to study English too
>7th grade
>Now you have classes for the actual native language, mandatory English, French and another mandatory "native" language
Everybody hates mandatory Swedish, but nobody has ever acknowledged that English is mandatory spare language too. Maybe because English is actually defendable mandatory language, and media made us familiar with it.
Jason Watson
I'll embrace pan-Finnicism like all true nationalists and liberate Finns from the Svecoman yoke.
Jonathan Nelson
Laws aren't right or wrong. They work or do not work based on how capable the people who must follow them prove to be. Laws require the citizenry conform to them.
>So yes, we should be a monolingual country but we should also respect the Swedish speaking minority.
And THAT'S how you'll kill the Swedish language in Finland. Not by stopping it being taught to everyone in schools, but by deciding that it is not legitimate and decreeing by actions if not words that the language and it's speakers are inherently foreign and not-of Finland.