White muslims

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_in_Germany

>"As of 2006, about 15,000 Muslims are converts of ethnic German ancestry."

What's the mentality behind these people Sup Forums? Why would they convert to a religion that's from a completely different culture? I don't assume all of these are people who convert because of GF. Can anybody on here explain the psychology behind it? I don't mean for this to be a Sup Forums thread, Sup Forums is useless for discussion and I don't think this fits on /his/, so Sup Forums is the best bet

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>What's the mentality behind these people Sup Forums?
I remember some years ago reading some article about white Dutchmen who converted to Islam (not the same thing but I'm going to assume the situations are comparable enough). The idea is based on a lot of misinformation, from what I can tell from the interviews at least. You often hear such things from the converts as "Islam is such a beautiful religion of love!" or "In Islam, your relationship with God is so much closer and more personal than in Christianity!". Reeling in new converts with lies is nothing new to Islam (see: the Satanic Verses) because as soon as they recite the Shahada, you can simply kill them if they try to leave. I can only really recall one interview (and not even in the same article mind you) where a white convert to Islam actually behaved like a proper Muslim (read: radical) and actually wanted to take his black wife (also a convert) to Egypt where they could live like proper Muslims.

tl;dr: Muslims who seek to convert the native population actively decieve them into believing such things as "Islam is a religion of love" and "Muhammad was a feminist" or even "Christianity is the white man's religion, stick it to THE MAN and join Islam!". It's quite easy to advertise your religion when you yourself aren't concerned with telling the truth and the media is too afraid to correct you.

But that's just my two cents. Back to the regularly scheduled programming of racist memes.

This, tbqh
Google "taqyyiah"

Ex-muslim here. Can confirm.

Salem Ali Cum, user. I converted when I could no longer close my eyes to the Truth that Allah is great and the one true god and that his messages must be heard by all, extended on all corners of this barbaric world. By the belly or the sword victory will be ours and we will lead the new Muslim world into another golden age. Allah Akbar.

Germans are fundamentally drawn to anti-human ideologies.

Kind of sad. Its like they just... gave up

People convert either for personal or marriage reasons I imagine.
For those numbers to hold any meaning you'd have to post how many converted to Christianity (the only other relevant religion) and than compare the non-muslim people to the non-cristian people and adjust for age (because people usually convert at certain points in their life).

it's a shia concept, irrelevant to the majority sunni Muslims in Germany

I understand marriage but what wold the personal reasons be? I don't understand it.

t. bullied at the mosque because beyata
:DDDDDDDDDDDDD

It is supported by sunni branch as well. Your argument is invalid

when you've gained everything on this world but still feels empty, you'll eventually seek for spiritual gain to fill your emptiness. you'll hear that people commit suicides or destroy themselves because they don't have the thought of hope; a happy ending. It's something that you can relate with other religions as well. If you feel that you're not empty, then why should you find something to fill the void of your soul. Just empty your cup and fill it again, because with a full cup, it'll be overflow.

Why do people become weaboos, orthadoxboos, get into weird far east shit, alternative medicine and so on?
They've found something fulfilling in Islam, what exactly I can't say. It's all spooks to me.
it's deception when under threat of forced conversion under sunni.
It can be considered central to shia (because they had to use it against sunnis all the time).
It's irrelevant to conduct in peaceful society.
>he basic principle of taqiyya is agreed upon by Sunni scholars, though they tend to restrict it to dealing with non-Muslims and when under compulsion (ikrāh), while Shia jurists also allow it in interactions with Muslims and in all necessary matters (ḍarūriyāt).[37] In Sunni jurisprudence protecting one's belief during extreme or exigent circumstances is called idtirar (إضطرار), which translates to "being forced" or "being coerced", and this word is not specific to concealing the faith;
wikipedia

>Why do people become weaboos
Islam is NOT moe~

If Muhammed wore cat ears could islam have been considered moe??

now that you mention it

in the UK at least, most converts are people who are social outcasts who want to feel part of a community, there's an interesting prevalence of ginger haired people among white converts, maybe because they felt bullied.

then you have the ugly women who marry Muslim guys, although this is rare.

it also seems that there's a growing population of non-Muslim blacks that are converting for some reason, maybe because Afro-American blacks have a history of doing it (for example, one of the 7/7 bombers was of Jamaican heritage, and I'm fairly sure the guy who commuted the murder of Lee Rigby was from a Christian Nigerian family).

Then you have the handful orientalist university leftists who feel like they are sticking in to the man by following Islam, who try and use the religion for their own beliefs despite them being incompatible with the scriptures themselves and the consensus of Muslim scholars.

And finally, there's the good old sick bastards who want a death cult to murder in the name of.

>I'm fairly sure the guy who commuted the murder of Lee Rigby was from a Christian Nigerian family
Jamaican if I'm not mistaken.
The funny thing about him is that he walked up to a guy who taped the murder and explained, hands covered in blood, that Islam COMPELLED him to do so. And what do we see later on? David Cameron and "le hero of le white Britain Brexit" Boris Johnson both claiming it had nothing to do with Islam. This is one of the reasons why Islam has free reign in the West: as soon as a terrorist attack happens, semi-literate Western politicians suddenly become expert theologians.

>And what do we see later on? David Cameron and "le hero of le white Britain Brexit" Boris Johnson both claiming it had nothing to do with Islam.
Of course. They are career politicians, they are never going to risk votes, even if they have to lie through their teeth.

Also Lee Rigbys killer was definitely a Christian Nigerian, the hilarious yet depressing thing about it is that he had also been a speaker for Unite Against Fascism,

Let's not forget the fact that when a terrorist attack happens in the name of allah they never speak out and say this is wrong. Then they tell us not all muslims. It's kinda hard to believe them if they don't denounce these actions.
If they already did the media should cover more.

Some western girls convert for the victim factor.

>Why would they convert to a religion that's from a completely different culture?
Ask the christians

how?

Islam is millitaristic,masculine and conservative.

When you say he was a christian nigerian surely you mean he had been a christian nigerian before converting to mohammedanism?

>then you have the ugly women who marry Muslim guys, although this is rare.
And ugly men desu

kek

>What's the mentality behind these people Sup Forums?

tend to be social rejects looking for a place to be

not much different from any other cult-ish organisation but they do tend to be enthusiastic supporters of the most radical elements of islam (the old story about converts being the most passionate)

Weakness. Weakness of human mind that forces them to give up the fight and emrace lies.
In future, when all religions are destroyed and all temples razed to the ground, and all clerics lined up and shot, people like that will be remembered with disgust.

First of all, there are many white Muslims. Albanians, Bosnians, Tatars, Chechens, also many Turks and Levant Arabs are white.
Talking about the converts, obvious spiritual searches of people lead them to various places. Some people end up in Buddhism, some in Islam. If I was not an atheist it's very likely I would be a Muslim too if I liked abrahamic religion, because it's the most logical, well thought and developed of all of them. Strictly one God with no remains of paganism, more a clear message, promoting traditional values and men virtues. Islam commands you to be beautiful, healthy, enrich yourself - and being nice to people poorer.
In Russia also many neonazis convert to Islam because their mindset is close to jihadism and they try to combine both ideologies.

Actually there are many branches in Islam and obviously converts do not choose the most radical one usually, what does surprise you about that? Of course most people do not feel inclination to jihadism.
Seriously, it's funny that islamophobes tell the same narrative that ISIS recruiters, convincing people that average Muslims are not real Muslims and the only real ones are radical jihadists.

It's not, Gogi, it's a Shia thing because shias have been persecuted since the death of Ali.

Closest monotheistic region that isn't ethnicity based like Judaism. I also like the set prayers, praising God, and that there is no pope figure (inb4 caliph)

Also being white, i don't have to deal with all the culture bullshit that arabs like to attach to every aspect of the religion.

>most logical
Huh? Are we talking about the same religion?
Tell me the logic behind dogs being impure, eating pork is a big no, and drinking alcohol is literally hitler.
Speaking from experience, it is mostly muh feeling-based, muh feeling of people who died hundreds years ago to boot.

Its not that the substances are bad per se. You are supposed to get stronger through the uphold discipline of your ascetism

because of muslim proselytisation direct or indirect (living in an area with many muslims, having muslim friends, etc..)

and remember that islam is quite easy to follow, do and don't

in the 2011 census in australia, 65 thousand people put Jedi or Jediism down as their religion.
Who cares you fuck.

also they're probably moderate as fuck/aren't actual muslims, it's a little fad, hipster shit or they're actually dumb enough to be indoctrinated by muzzies.

By the same principle you should ask the same of all Christian converts in formerly unreached ethnic groups in Africa or Asia

>Tell me the logic behind dogs being impure,
Obvious rabies and other disases
>eating pork is a big no
Gelmints

>and drinking alcohol is literally hitler.
Well, living in Russia and being a drinking person myself I see it to be a very reasonable thing.
Actually at least in Russia Muslims say it's wrong after any terrorist attack and say that people who do it use religion as a cover up for greed and power. I've read many Muslims saying it's wrong in English internet. I actually have seen an extremely small number of people supporting it. So I never understood this argument, it's simply not true, Muslims say it's wrong pretty often.
Islam is shit as any other religion, but because of promoting conservatism, as any other religion, not because of things people tend to accuse it. It's literally the more well-thought Christianity and Judaism mix.

As Franz said that's simply because God said so. Obviously not an acceptable answer to a lot of people but still a magnitude more logical than the trinity, mary being the mother of God, praying to saints, the wealth of the papacy etc.

Number of Christian converts is bigger 2bh. You know, Muslims worldwide now are in a serious spiritual crisis mostly. With the rise of political islam, and especially jihadism, religion has become extremely politicized, and moreover, the huge atrocities has been committed. Tons of Arabs lose fate, especially young ones. Those who aren't educated enough to realize that there is no God often just look at the alternative. In Russia many people abdicate of orthodoxy and either follow the atheism (majority) or become catholics/protestants because Russian government uses Orthodoxy and Islam as a state ideologies and imprisons people for blasphemy, and recently orthodox fanatics said they would burn the cinemas where "Matilda" movie would be shown. People just don't want to have anything common with people doing shit like that.

>praying to saints, the wealth of the papacy etc.
Well, actually Muslims have that too. Wealth is a common thing among the mullahs. Saints are a big thing in Sufism, and most of Muslims worldwide are sufists. Actually only salafists are strictly against the saint.

No buddy. This kind of answer is the least logical because that imply there is no such thing as advancement in hygiene and medicine.

This one is acceptable as you acknowledge it is part of holding back for your faith. Not exactly logical, but if you said so. Religion is inherently faith-based.

Both of them are illogical. Christianity and Islam. Franz's is acceptable answer for me. Not because it is logical, but because he acknowledge that it is part of faith. I've seen enough mental gymnastic to justify religion. It doesn't work.

What the fuck is "logical" anyway?

>educated enough to realize that there is no God

please, stop with this meme

>there is no such thing as advancement in hygiene and medicine.
When Islam was created in 7th century medicine and hygiene were totally like that.

Yes, but now it is no longer the same. How about some revision patch?
No? What's written is written?
Well, fair answer. But don't blame me for thinking it is, illogical.
Mind you, I don't think there is anything wrong with being, illogical. I am the same too.

Good bye Germany.
Good morning Islamic Germany!

>it's another episode where america talks about europe

>tfw converted muslim guy to christianity while not being religious myself -_-

>Christian Nigerian
Who converted to islam.

> white muslims
Converting to Islam automatically makes you non-white to be honest

Honestly, that should also apply to christianity and abrahamic religions in general. The only white religious people are those who still follow greco-roman or Germanic pagan or other forms of I-E pagan religions

Well like the first Dutch poster in this thread was giving his two cents here are mine.

It is hard of course to boil down all of this to a single issue, there are quite a bit of people that convert and it is hard to really put ones finger on it. But I personally think that it is a search for meaning in life. People want to have a meaning in life I think, even those that say life has no meaning yearn for it often. Those that have no goal in life are quite often in trouble. So it is easy to say that those that become Muslim are those from marginalized groups, but that does not touch the issue fully I think. The idea of meaninglessness is quite widespread and corrosive in western culture, it eats at almost everything it touches. Ideologies as communism arose in contest with the idea of meaninglessness but eventually they are not even very able to beat it, no matter how much people died trying. Christianity, the religion that permeated western society before is not free from the idea of meaninglessness even though it is a statement that meaning exists. As a christian I have to often defend my position in the face of it, though I have decided it makes sense, but I am fully aware that many Christians dabble and dive into a pit of lack of meaning with glee.

Islam however is a 'tougher' religion, now I am not saying that makes it right, but it is more effective at showing you a meaning in life relatively (though never fully) sheltered from the intellectual critique Christianity undergoes.

Doesn't it say that you can go to hell just for not having brown eyes? I don't know if that's just Sup Forums memes or not

KILL YOURSELF KUFFAR

There are plenty of light eyed people in the middle east.
Sounds like a meme.

Exactly why Hitler would've loved it. Anti-Jewish, conservative religion, pushes you to be more assertive/aggressive in your beliefs. Imagine if the German or British Empire was to embrace Islam. We wouldn't have people in America raising signs saying 'Jesus loves you' or 'God hates faggots'.

It's people from religious backgrounds who leave the fold and want that community again. Usually these people become hardcore Christians, but a subset become Muslim on the encouragement of a Muslim friend or coworker.

Happens in America too, particular among ethnic minorities who find a foreign religion liberating because it connects them to something big independent of white American society.

No it isn't. Taqqiya is when Shias pretend to be Sunni.

average german converts

they look like dorks

>mfw i busted my ass to get an abitur to be able to study engineering in germany
>mfw this is germany now
how do i convince myself that spending 4+ years in this sjw cuckhole will be beneficial to my future

>inb4 beaner immigrant get out reee
i have german citizenship

>what does surprise you about that?
The fact that even the least "radical" branches still acknowledge the Qu'ran as the direct and eternal word of Allah, which inherrently results in full acceptance of Sharia and all its tenants including but not limited to the killing of apostates.

>it's funny that islamophobes tell the same narrative that ISIS recruiters
It's not funny, ISIS is right. Their actions are what happens when you follow Islam to its logical conclusion. Both "Islamophobes" and "Radicals" realize this. The difference is whether they consider this good or bad.

based shitholeistan
didn't expect you to be that civilized

Yes.Germany will become Muslim country again

Islam is a cult like any other. They aim to lure in social outcasts and struggling people with the same techniques other cults do.

Watch this video on how that works:

youtube.com/watch?v=EBK5aKOr2Fw

stockholm syndrome combined with german women marrying ahmeds