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It's pretty bad.

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How close to TOS is it? The further it distances itself, the better.

Friendly neighborhood reminder that Roddenberry was a hack and supported cultural emperialism.

What happens?

Sulu is literally a faggot

No it's not you stupid fuck. It's a vast improvement over Into Darkness. There was some fucking great cinematography too.

Direction is bad. Cinematography is bad. Script is bad. Main villain is horrible.

It's a terrible movie all around.

Sure thing. Just so you know, being a contrarian doesn't make you seem like you have "refined" tastes. In fact, it makes you stand out like the fucking asshole you are. But maybe that's what you want, you attention whore.

>"Let's have a scene where they play music like Public Enemy and The Beastie Boys. That will bring in those millenials!"

Where were you when millenials ruined movies for the rest of time?

Actually it was very good.

No streams up so far, I don't think

Simon "English Twat" Pegg tries to make the point that Star Trek isn't just about the captain.

It's also really, really, really about Scotty. Really.

You should probably move out then.

>How close to TOS is it? The further it distances itself, the better.

It's more faithful to TOS than the previous two movies, and it also has important links to ST: Enterprise.

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>it also has important links to ST: Enterprise.

Like what?

American Millenials and their fascination with Europeans. Fan service.

>they defeat the aliens by playing "Sabotage" by the Beastie Boys really loudly
How is this forgivable, flick apologists?

Considering it's literally explained in great detail during the film, I'm inclined to believe you're mentally deficient.

Various references, part of the villain background and an entire ship of Archer era which is important for the plot. After all Enterprise is the only series not altered in the parallel universe of those movies.

So you're saying that you CAN stand it?

Yes. Is your main problem the song they chose, or the way they used it?

Would you have been happier with a different song?

>How is this forgivable

It's not.

>I watch films, not movies.

It was awesome.

Easily the worst of the modern trek movies.

Abrams is just milking you brain dead motherfuckers.

Sure, how about the 1812 Overture? You can have a wave of ships explode with every burst of cannon fire. Just as cheesy but less offensive to my delicate autistic sensibilities.

Or does it have to be contemporary music to appeal to normies like you?

This is a Justin Lin film. We could have gotten so much worse. At least the music was thoroughly explained, is entirely plausible, and was set up earlier in the film.

>Scottie in literally every scene.

Why?

The villain is a former MACO from the pre-Federation times, who fought in the wars against the Xindi and the Romulans. Part of his villain motivation is that when the Federation was formed the MACOs were abolished and absorbed into Starfleet, he was promoted to a ship captain. He eventually pretty much went crazy from going from a life of purpose as a soldier who fought against aliens trying to wipe out humanity to being someone whose new job was exploring deep space aimlessly and having to make friends with every alien race they encountered. He had a handful of his surviving crew were marooned on a dead world where the Federation would never come to rescue them, so he reverted back to his soldier instincts.

Also in the third act the ship Kirk restore and use an old NX-Class starship.

Beyond is the only one of the Nu-Trek films that actually feels like a Star Trek film. The villain is boring as fuck and impossible to keep interested in though, outside of his twist.

Sure, ACTUAL classical music would've been great. I'm just saying that the music they chose didn't rustle my jimmies. It could have been a lot worse.

That's what happens when Simon Pegg is a writer. Can you blame him, though?

Also if you hate planet based Trek stories chances are you are not going to enjoy the movie too much.

>yfw youtube.com/watch?v=WLrTqbW0zIY

it's a shame that was all revealed/discussed in the space of one minute, they kind of dropped the ball there

This movie feels nothing like a Star Trek movie.

>It could have been a lot worse.
How?

Also, if you hate Star Trek, you probably won't enjoy a Star Trek movie very much.

>Can you blame him, though?

Yes, yes I can.

It could have been fucking rap or pop music.

>no argument besides buzzwords
Yes I totally think your opinion is relevant to the quality of the film, bravo.

It could have been there for absolutely no reason.

If you hate IMAX then you probably won't enjoy Star Trek in IMAX, presented by IMAX in IMAX and IMAX 3D.

female cast user, female cast

I CAN'T STAND IT
I KNOW THEY PLANNED IT
seriously though that's what happens in the movie? I love the beastie boys and think the star trek films are alright but that sounds lame as fuck

>NX-Class starship.

No it's not. It just looks similar. Check out the official Trek site. It's not NX.

Wrong discussion, you fuck.

If that's seriously the case with this movie I already have more sympathy with the villains than the heroes.

When Jayla showed Scotty the specs, it had an NX designation.

So does Kirk ever mention to Krall that they have the same taste in music?

Does Kirk ever try to bond with Krall over their shared enjoyment of the Beastie Boys?

It says NX-326 USS Franklin right there on it's registry

I hated the way the alien villain was always breathing though his mouth, which was always filled with saliva.

In my opinion, it was actually pretty neat. Not classic Trek, but the scene was done well for an action flick.

It was horrid. Worse than Nemesis and Final Frontier. I love the franchise, but it was just bad.

but they already played it in the first movie.

Among the bad Star Trek movies, where does this one rank?

Star Trek V
Star Trek Nemesis
Star Trek Generations
Star Trek Insurrection

And now this movie. Rank it.

That's what makes it poetry.

Poetry is what makes it good.

Beyond is good for the same reasons that Star Wars I-III are so good.

Yeah it's just a refit of the original design.

People can shit on that first trailer all they want but this song worked goddamn perfectly in the movie.

V
Beyond
Nemesis
Insurrection
Generations

POWER GAP

Into Darkness

Motion Picture > Undiscovered Country > Wrath of Khan > Voyage Home > Search for Spock > 2009 > Beyond > First Contact > Final Frontier > Generations > Into Darkness > Insurrection > Nemesis

Kirk should have defeated the aliens in Beyond by playing a recording of himself and his crew singing Row, Row, Row Your Boat instead.

>but this song worked goddamn perfectly in the movie.

No it didn't captain autism.

>After all Enterprise is the only series not altered in the parallel universe of those movies.

I think the differences between the Arbramsverse and the regular universe go beyond the supposed split in the timeline. Like humanity being completely different than it is in the regular universe and the Federation being thoroughly corrupt and incompetent.

Wrath of Khan
Motion Picture
Undiscovered Country
Voyage Home
2009
Search for Spock
Into Darkness
Final Frontier
First Contact
Generations
Insurrection
Nemesis
Beyond

Correct.

>With the Kelvin timeline, we are not entirely beholden to existing canon, this is an alternate reality and, as such is full of new and alternate possibilities. “BUT WAIT!” I hear you brilliant and beautiful super Trekkies cry, “Canon tells us, Hikaru Sulu was born before the Kelvin incident, so how could his fundamental humanity be altered? Well, the explanation comes down to something very Star Treky; theoretical, quantum physics and the less than simple fact that time is not linear.

>Sure, we experience time as a contiguous series of cascading events but perception and reality aren’t always the same thing. Spock’s incursion from the Prime Universe created a multidimensional reality shift. The rift in space/time created an entirely new reality in all directions, top to bottom, from the Big Bang to the end of everything. As such this reality was, is and always will be subtly different from the Prime Universe. I don’t believe for one second that Gene Roddenberry wouldn’t have loved the idea of an alternate reality (Mirror, Mirror anyone?).

>This means, and this is absolutely key, the Kelvin universe can evolve and change in ways that don’t necessarily have to follow the Prime Universe at any point in history, before or after the events of Star Trek ‘09, it can mutate and subvert, it is a playground for the new and the progressive and I know in my heart, that Gene Roddenberry would be proud of us for keeping his ideals alive. Infinite diversity in infinite combinations, this was his dream, that is our dream, it should be everybody’s.

The Kelvin timeline is completely different, starting with the big bang itself, and FUCK YOU SIMON PEGG THAT'S NOT HOW IT WORKS.

I hate ranking lists but yours is spot on

It could have been Sledgehammer.

Maybe it should have been Sledgehammer.

I was expecting it to for a second before I realized what it was actually going to be

FIGHT THE POWER!!! YOU GOTTA FIGHT THE POWERS THAT BE!!!

Isn't it a bit overkill just to explain why Sulu is gay in the alternate universe? He could have been even in the prime reality. He has a daughter but no one mentioned a wife.

>everyone this upset about the stupid corny shit you would expect in this kind of film
>we aren't allowed to have fun anymore

That was a pretty funny scene. I liked Jayla, she didn't feel too forced in or know it all and had obvious character flaws. Also, pretty decent looking fight scenes.

Jayla was awesome! And I'm glad she had more development of her character in this movie. That scene with her at Kirks birthday was funny as well and she can out drink anyone!!!

Best parts of the movie were seeing the real crew of the Enterprise (Spock must have been thinking who the fuck are all these people) and seeing the A.

Just call me a faggot instead of being sarcastic next time.

What's wrong with you

I can already tell what will happen with the next movie. It's confirmed to be about time travel (Kirk's dad is returning) and there's no way they will have pass up the fanservice chance to have characters not just from the past, but from the future. I expect TNG crew. Not sure if it'll be the original actors coming back or newly cast ones. But they won't pass up the chance to make this a big event movie.

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Just as long as we get some quasi incest overtones between the Kirks I'll be happy.

Those two scenes, along with the embarrassing "comedic" opening scene, felt very very VERY out of place. Almost as if they were forced in by some hook nosed bigwig that wanted that GotG/Marvel money.

Otherwise, it was enjoyable as fuck. It was much more a Star Trek movie than the other two Abramsverse flicks. Karl Urban was great, and even Chris Pine is starting to grow on me. He's a good serious, diplomatic Kirk, which we haven't seen a lot of in this new franchise. He's usually acting like a horny retard or shouting.

A little heavy on the dutch angles though. I was starting to have flashbacks of Battlefield Earth. Felt like Lin was trying too hard to emulate Abrams. A lot like he did on the pilot episode of True Detective S2, parroting Fukunaga and forcing in long takes.

So, was it just me or did it seem like they were trying to set up the Borg with this movie, or refer to them?

Like, Krall's outfit was pretty Borgy, as was the tech he used in his hidey hole to drain life force out of people. He says the tech he's using is from the ancient race that used to inhabit that planet and moved on, which left behind a bunch of 'drones' which share a cyberpathic connection and a hive mind. The ancient weapon he ends up finding is a cloud of nanomachines that tear people apart.

Are they trying to imply that Altamid is the Borg's homeworld?

>He's usually acting like a horny retard or shouting.

Chekov isn't a hyper-active maniac and Scotty isn't a shouty caricature this time around either

Kirk and Chekov trapped in that frozen gunk also felt childish and out of place, at least to me

Having a couple of widgets moving on your suit =/= Borg, lame-o

Just got home as well.

Shit was dope desu

And Uhura and Sulu get minimum screentime, which is fantastic. I think Zoe Saldana might have like ten lines tops. The crew focus is starting to feel like it should.

I didn't mind the overabundance of Scotty scenes either because Jayla was in them. And I like Simon Pegg.

Beastie Boys were already in the first two movies, though.

Having taste means being contrarian?

It was a mistake then and it's still a mistake now.

Do they even need to set up the Borg? I mean, they ARE out there, somewhere.

Yeah, and it felt forced there too.

Only in those movies, it didn't play a pivotal role in the plot.

It could have been a TNG-era film and used Magic Carpet Ride by Steppenwolf.

I do agree, but by now it's sorta a tradition with the reboot movies.

Frankly, I wish they would go full meta and just put Intergalactic in one of the movies.

Just feels like there's a few too many similiarites to the Borg to dismiss, unless they were just ripping off aspects of them to make a new bad guy, which I guess is likely. Krall was kind of a mishmash of not thought out ideas anyway.

>Krall's motivation is that unity is weakness and conflict makes us great
>The Swarm would not function without unity

>And I like Simon Pegg.

I bet you tell that to your wife's son.

It would have been so fucking easy to give a competent explanation for why this is, and instead they just hand wave it in the most condescending way.

Here, let me try:

>Yes, the initial act of Time Travel Spock performed, split the timeline at a point past many established facts, however, it created a separate universe, instead of altering the old one. As suck, agencies like the 29th century Federation, which policed Time Travel couldn't get involved, Spock being in an entirely different universe and timeline.

>What this means however, is that the version of the 29th century time policing Federation may never come to exist in this universe, and with, hundreds, thousands, possibly millions of other acts of time travel may happen that otherwise wouldn't have, or occur differently than they did in the original Star Trek universe.

>As you can imagine, since this single act of time travel altered any act of time travel that would - in part - take place in the future from this point on, it effectively could have had reciprocations at any given point in the time line, by even slightly changing what a man travelling back to the 1970s or before knows about the world, not to mention more drastic changes!

Now how hard was that? You don't need to invoke the name of Gene to have a leg to stand on, you just got to try and give a shit.

>Sabotage was 15 years old for Star Trek (2009)
>Magic Carpet Ride was 30 years old for Star Trek: First Contact
Sabotage is literally twice as bad.

I honestly would love it if they listened to Integalactic in one of these movies and had Spock react to the "Pinch from the neck of Mr. Spock" line. I loved in Wolves of the Calla when that Preacher finds a copy of the book Salem's Lot by King and learns he's a character in another universe, so I'm a sucker for that sort of thing.

In the next movie, when they go back in time to save the whales, Spock will also save the Beastie Boys and inspire them to write that song.

I thought it was a very flawed movie with its heart in the right place and a few scenes that really made it worthwhile. Something people don't remember is that they had been working on Star Trek Beyond with Robert Orci (hack) as a director for more than a year. What they had was so baffling and bad that they threw it out last minute and 5 months before shooting they got Pegg and his co-writer to come up with an entirely new movie. The production was also rushed to meet the 50th anniversary which is why there are a fucking half-dozen production companies in the opening and probably why some of the effects look like ass.

Honestly this was the most Star Trek movie of the three, I think that the Yorktown, the swarm sequence, and the resurrection of the NX ship were all fantastic moments and some of the best in the entire series of films (all of them), and the characters were written well even if Scotty had too much to do.

And thank god it was at least something new. New planet, new space station, lots of new species, new languages, new ships, it was really damn refreshing to get something new.

I'll take flawed but interesting any day over a spit-shined rehash.