Singapore

>Singapore
>highly nationalised economy, things like Singapore Airlines are government owned
>highly capitalist economy, city full of skyscrapers

>Hong Kong
>massive free-mark approach
>highly capitalist economy, city full of skyscrapers

Can somebody explain this shit to me? I'm not even trolling, but I've always associated nationalisation with socialist, labour focused policies. In the UK it's the left-wing parties like Labour and the unions that want to nationalise and hate despite privatisation, whilst freeing up the market is a right-wing policy associated with capitalism, business-friendliness and entrepreneurship.

So why does the image of the city of Singapore reflect massive capitalism if everything is nationalised? The two aren't linked after all?

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thinkbusiness.nus.edu/articles/item/118-tainted-milk-unravelling-china’s-melamine-scandal
theguardian.com/world/2001/jun/11/china.internationaleducationnews
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They're not owned by the government. These are mostly private entities, which the government buys shares in using sovereign funds.

We're also a popular springboard into Asian markets, similar to Hong Kong (because of our passports and English speaking majority).

We're also a tax haven, so corporations love to park their money here. Sometimes they like it so much they build their own sky scraper.

>which the government buys shares in using sovereign funds.
Singapore is big government though unlike Liberarians who claim small government is the only way best for capitalism. imo Government should intervene to make free market more competitive

>They're not owned by the government. These are mostly private entities, which the government buys shares in using sovereign funds.


So they are owned by the gov?

Lee Kuan Yew and his son are fucking smart, that's why.

>more competitive

sorry, nope. Government backed companies have disgusting monopolies here and it results in inefficiency. Cronyism is a pretty big deal in Singapore. Without government support, you're very likely to fail as a business.

Capitalism has nothing to do with gov intervention.

Yet singapore is a beacon amoung massive poverty

singapore and hong kong are both in privileged positions as trading ports.

what system you follow is less important then the percentage of your people who believe in the system

when a countries people work together they can do great things regardless of what they call the idea

thehearttruths.com/2014/04/27/singaporeans-have-the-lowest-purchasing-power-among-the-developed-countries/

I'm sorry, come again? Fancy buildings don't mean shit.

Ingapore was only something after the British made it, to. The same with Hong Kong.

For example, Mallaca was a historical major trading port, before singapore.

They are the way they are now because they were made so. Not because of some random luck

t. alberto barbossa

And now compare singapore with the Malasya, Thailand, Brunei, Vitnam, Laos, Indonesya...

It's unfair to compare singapore with western countries, because singapore is still filled with shitskins

The examples of Singapore and Hong Kong show that there is no one economic system that is better than all the others. A state controlled economic system can be just as successful as a market system if the people in charge are highly adept at their jobs and technocratic. This is why countries like China, South Korea and Japan have gotten rich. Not by free market policies but state direction.

I guess being the best in the anus of the world is kind of a consolation prize.

looks like someone needs to be enriched

>Singapore
>Small island territory with access to global trade that doesn't have to develop thousands of miles of wasteland
>Intelligent, hard working citizens who believe in building a future for their people

>Hong Kong
>Small island territory with access to global trade that doesn't have to develop thousands of miles of wasteland
>Intelligent, hard working citizens who believe in building a future for their people

>Japan
>Small island territory with access to global trade that doesn't have to develop thousands of miles of wasteland
>Intelligent, hard working citizens who believe in building a future for their people

Your island and people exist only to serve Western companies and men. Your own women literally think of you as disgusting, ugly, old-fashioned, while hunting for white men, who are refined, cultured and worldly.

But isn't Temasek 100% government owned, the sole shareholder?

>Singapore is big government though unlike Liberarians who claim small government is the only way best for capitalism

This is why I was interested in this. I was buying in to libertarianism as the best route for successful capitalism until I heard Singapore was very nationalised and had in some ways almost a socialist attitude.

So we shouldn't even be that worried about the concept of privatisation of the railway and such, it could be managed smartly.

>Your island and people exist only to serve Western companies and men.

and yours only exist to enrich the elite and the CCP

>Your own women literally think of you as disgusting, ugly, old-fashioned, while hunting for white men, who are refined, cultured and worldly.

So why are your women flocking overseas and marrying the first retiree they see? Please don't talk about cultured or refined when China is probably #2 in the designated street rankings.

Privatizing railroads is just fucking stupid and pointless. Industries with network advantages cannot really be privatized because they are natural monopolies. If one company builds all the railroad tracks, it's just not possible for another company to compete by building another set of railroad tracks.

>and yours only exist to enrich the elite and the CCP

Wow, brainwashed with Western propaganda as well. Not only are your women and jobs all going to white men, your entire culture and mentality is owned by them as well kek

>This is why countries like China, South Korea and Japan have gotten rich.

>Comparing yourself to South Korea and Japan

Wong pls. If anything, this would be the RoC, not the PRoC. Your country is artificially rich and it's going to collapse soon enough.

How about your government stop creating empty cities for the sake of looking productive?

Because both are essentially dictatorships and aren't weighed down by mountains and mountains of beaurcrats.

They just get shit done.

Singapore has one of the most open and free markets in the world, the fact that their government invests a little bit in one of the fastest growing economies in the world is a no brainer. The extent to which anything is nationalised is minimal.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organ_harvesting_from_Falun_Gong_practitioners_in_China

thinkbusiness.nus.edu/articles/item/118-tainted-milk-unravelling-china’s-melamine-scandal

theguardian.com/world/2001/jun/11/china.internationaleducationnews

Yes, Chinese culture is soooo much better. It's beautiful what you can accomplish when you completely devalue human life

I wouldn't say they have one of the most open and free markets, they actually have a very strong police force and are essentially merciless when it comes to drug dealers and other criminals. Obviously this makes them a relatively clean and safe country and better to do business in, but some libertarian sperg will have to be all "HURR DURR THEY BAN CERTAIN VOLUNTARY EXCHANGES, NOT A FREE MARKET".

The 21st century is all chinese, burger boy.

gettin' a bit uppity there aren't we?

>Can somebody explain this shit to me?
All the heroin coming out of Asia goes through either Hong Kong or Singapore, and all the money along with it, and the governments and corporations in those two cities make sure to cut a slice before the goods head off to the western world. They're the last stop on the tour before leaving the Golden Triangle.

That's the dirty truth of their success.

do you ever actually leave your home?

Don't forget over 5000 foreign entities as identified in the Panama papers

How many white guy asian girl couples do you see in singapore everyday?

Your singaporean culture is worshipping white people. Your city's founder is literally a colonist called Raffles. Your political and legal system is all white.

Even calling them a dictatorship is a bit much. They have a legitimate opposition, they just have incumbent advantage, so the country isn't constantly flipping between two opposite agendas, which honestly is a much more sensible set-up. I really need to read up on Singaporean policy, all I really know about is the whole mandatory minority intergration and top class financial institutions.

As if you were any better, Alberto Barbarossa.

>How many white guy asian girl couples do you see in singapore everyday?

If you actually allowed more white people into your country, I won't be surprised to see the same thing happening. Your women are already marrying foreigners at the first chance they get.

>Your political and legal system is all white.

How is following China's political and legal system a good thing? It's deplorably corrupt, much worse than Singapore. Your legal system is a complete joke, and your politics puts any of LKY's heavy handedness to shame.

>legitimate opposition

hehe, in the 2011 elections they got 40% of the vote but only 7% representation in parliament. Thanks GRC system.

>How many white guy asian girl couples do you see in singapore everyday?

请问你自己有来过新加坡吗
我左看右看,这里的白人大多数都是约菲律宾女人

Well, unlike you we are smart, so we limit the number of white people in our country and put up high visa restrictions. We make sure Chinese workers get priority for good jobs and not foreigners (unlike Singapore where all the top jobs go to Western expats, while singapooreans get back office and janitorial work).

Even chinese women these days are proud of being chinese and do not lust over white men, like they did when china was much poorer.

Singapore would become a much better place if you accepted our help.

Not with the Trump dynasty it won't.

Singapore is right wing authoritarian, with a market economy. It has dirigiste economic policy and it's manufacturing and construction base relies on migrant labour.

In Singapore all land is owned by the Government. All of it!

There is limited "freedom" for the rich. Wage slavery for the rest. Same as here.

I'm not in home right now, btw

>insult him

>Bongistan
>Small island territory with access to global trade that doesn't have to develop thousands of miles of wasteland
>Retarded, lazy citizens who believe in building a future for other """people"""

>accepting our help

>yeah dude just let us completely militarise your surrounding water borders, building artificial island to redirect trade routes and we'll help you

>UKIP wins 12.5% of the vote
>Literally 1 seat in a parliament of over 600

Just to check that I've got the right idea, if the opposition did win and form a government, would the system swing into their favour?

No I haven't gone to Singapore, I have no interest.
I'm sure if you go to Western bars and clubs it is full of Chinese women and Western men.

That's why I said essentially a dictatorship.

North Korea is a democratic country but functions essentially as a dictatorship

>We make sure Chinese workers get priority for good jobs and not foreigners
那只是因为外国人要求跟高的薪水
so你到底来过新加坡几次了?

>The 21st century is all chinese, burger boy.

Only because of Richard Nixon and the CEO's of America outsourcing all our jobs.

no you dickwit
western men almost only date filipinas here.

t. Singaporean

i can't wait for trump to make america great again and tax chinese import

>We make sure Chinese workers get priority for good jobs and not foreigners (unlike Singapore

Jobs like what? Slave wages in factories that force workers to work more than 12 hours a day? I mean, Singapore is guilty too, but again, I'm glad we don't do it like you guys.

>Even chinese women these days are proud of being chinese and do not lust over white men, like they did when china was much poorer.

Lol, fuck off. There are already so many more men than women in China and yet they flock overseas to nab a husband. It's still happening!

>Singapore would become a much better place if you accepted our help.

No, we'd just have even more income inequality and become a degenerate society with no etiquette or ethics.

The government, yes. Though there are plenty of large corporations who in a sense would still be loyal to the PAP and they have considerable influence.

星加坡法律太麻烦。口香糖禁止、吐着禁止、大麻禁止等等。

Am I fucked if I try to work in Singapore without a degree? I'm marrying my sing gf once she finishes her studies here.

you have to have a degree to get a visa in both singapore and hk

Why not marry her and culturally enrich your country with a non-muslim?

wut. your white guys are almost all millionaires. why would they date filipinas?

I only spent about 5 days there, and my mandarin is awful, but why wouldn't a white guy date chinese gals?

Topkek, even useless brits with no degrees or jobs can get a singapoorean gf, while singapoorean men spend all their lives working like dogs and doing military service.

YOU CANT MAKE THIS SHIT UP!

i actually don't know, but when you walk on the streets and take public transport and go to the malls and whatever - if a white man has a lass with him, more than half the time she's filipina. the remainder half is equally split between having a white wife or any-other-asian wife.

stay in britain.
your future parents in law will probably fuck you over otherwise.

so why are you still a virgin?

Yes, because girls in China are so honorable. In fact, they're so honorable they'll only charge you 1/4 of the price of a local girl for a good sucky-fucky!

wagingnonviolence.org/feature/the-sorry-state-of-unions-in-singapore/

This is really all you need to know. Singapore's economic system is similar to the fascist system of Mussolini. Unions don't have absurd power like in the US, neither in government nor in private sector.

There's no added bonus that a free market has if your culture highly values competitiveness and efficiency. The bonus of the free market is that competitiveness and efficiency are built-in, and required, but the culture of Singapore and the lack of unions essentially allows for the same amount of competition and efficiency.

Of course, the US doesn't really have a free market because of unions in the private sector and the public sector. And many Americans simply don't have a desire to make more money if it means hard work.

Let's say Singapore didn't have majority ownership over its airlines. What would be different? Probably not much. The same investors would be investing, except some would take the place of the government's majority ownership. The competition would still be there, because of shareholders deciding CEO and etc.

unfortunately even korea is becoming stupid atm. in 2006 there were 35k muslims. today there are 150k. the numbers are rising in japan too.

as soon as a country becomes prosperous it becomes ruled by fucking idiots because prosperity has the effect of masking problems, or making bad people look not bad because of technological solutions to their sins. e.g. the murder rate in america has dropped because we treat gunshot wounds better. we don't have FEWER people who would kill, but we have fewer murderers. it's an important distinction.

fwiw I'm planning on moving to taiwan and eventually the mainland beacuse I can't stand to see what happened to my homeland and america is fucked up now too. don't get angry if other people hold their stupid polished shit over your head.

china is the only modern nation taking an explicit stand for virtue and morality. be proud

She wants to be able to look after her elderly parents. I have no reason to stay here (mine are dead, sister married into a rich family and doesn't talk to me) besides my (IT) Job. GF/Fiance will be the breadwinner as she's a Chem Engineer

I have a job.

I'm aware of that risk.

Why are you guys so butthurt over China? Instead of just accepting that Singapoorean girls will do anything not to be seen with a Sing guy, you keep deflecting. The first step is to accept that there is a problem, otherwise you will never fix it.

The problem is "why do singapoorean girls hate sing guys so much?".

Any answers?

Without a degree, you must have some shitty working class job. Jesus Christ, how desperate are Singaporean girls to want to marry some white trash chav with no degree or money? Singapoorean girls are truly the shame of asia.

High IQ societies

I earn 26k. Not good, but not bad either. I was a NEET for many years so I've been playing catchup for the past 2 years.

we're not butthurt, we find you absolutely disgusting. stop shitting our parks and littering our country. go away.

what are your qualifications?

what the fuck is your problem with singaporean girls and their sex lives, Wang Li?

Just GCSEs, A-levels and some IT certs

Pay denbts and we may talk.

How did you meet this Singaporean girl? Which university was she going to?

How many sandwiches do I need for three Greek girls, Alexios?

You're the one living in a glass house throwing stones.

>"why do singapoorean girls hate sing guys so much?"

Why do you even have this perception? Have you even been anywhere in Singapore that isn't a clubbing district?

I can tell you haven't. I'm just matching your anecdotal evidence.

China is the new rich kid on the block. If we wanted to, we could buy up your entire little city. Those guys driving ferraris past your little bungalow? They are mainland chinese. Stay poor and sex-less singboy.

Barely see them at all. Also stop coming here

Do you have the bbc?

Of course. I'm part eggplant.

>economic freedom
heritage.org/index/

a government having large holdings over a company is better than direct ownership. the operation of crumbling public utilities in america, south africa, or india is a good clue to why.

shareholding is the best legal technology we currently have for delegating risk and responsibility.

Spoken like a true spoilt child of the Yuan percent. I guess money really can't buy class.

Met her online. She goes to a Russell Group (tier 1 University). She hates the fuck out of mainland Chinese. I can see why now.

>15% muzzie

None of them have been blowing themselves up or decapitating soldiers yet, so they must be doing something right.

there is nothing disrespectable about a working class job. it is an honest living that is part of a large system that benefits society.
btw try having sex ;-) it feels very good :-)))))

what cert is it?
honestly, it sounds difficult, you will probably have better luck either
>find a job in the UK that will post you here
or
>come here, do a lot of networking and connections and circlejerking, get job

i think you can make around 1.5k~2k SGD a month for your current qualifications working in the IT sector. the problem is jumping through all the regulations and requirements to obtain a work permit.

>Stay poor and sex-less singboy
in civilised societies, people have sex and get married because they feel deep emotional connections to each other. why are chinese men so fucking shallow? money can't buy love, and no matter how many times i tell this to a chinese man they insist otherwise.

Singapore = most open economy in the world & lowest birthrate in the world less than 1 child per woman

>tier 1 university

haha good one, there are only 5 good universities in the Russel group, cam, ox, lse, imperial and ucl. She probably goes to southampton, liverpool, newcastle or other craphole.

expat chinese just hate mainland chinese for the same reason white liberals hate white working class people. don't fall for the scheme. it's just a liberal ploy. most mainland chinese are kind and hardworking. I'm literally a jappo and 95% of mainlanders were still polite to me.

I honestly hope the rich chinese don't start sucking liberal muslim dicks and try to destroy their conservative counterparts in the mainland out of some stupid status game

that guy is obviously trolling you btw, you idiot

technically, ethnic chinese like me invaded this originally muzzie land. we sort of took over and conditioned and brainwashed them over time. anyway, the difference between malay muslims and middle eastern muslims is that malays are too fucking lazy to get anything done.

eh brudder, should we set up the bomb today?
>haaaaaahhh not today lah, tomorrow tomorrow...let's go smoke break ;)

(tomorrow)
eh brudder remember the bomb we need to set up?
>tomorrow lah, eh go smoke now ;)

>that guy is obviously trolling
he probably isn't. i have met actual chinese people like this in real life.

>there is nothing disrespectable about a working class job.

hahahaha
Well educated singapooreans with 2 years of military service literally getting cucked by white trash with no degree and low salary and this is all you can come up with?

She goes to one of the 5 good ones you listed. I'm not saying which one because I've already revealed more info than I should have throughout the thread.

I've also met singaporeans and rich whites who think it's okay for muslims to rape their women and suicide bomb, and they're just as if not more retarded than the ultra nationalists

you can't let the race become divided. as soon as it becomes a status signal to look down upon the mainland chinese, your race is dead, and you'll have to start worshipping oppression and suicide bombers. don't start.

That narrows it down to only 3 universities. I doubt it's cambridge so either Imperial or UCL.
So probably UCL.

Also, the job market for chemical engineers is dead because of the low oil price.

It'll pick up again in a few years I imagine

Maybe so, but that doesn't matter if she needs to get a job very soon. If she works outside of the industry, getting back in is impossible.
My sister goes to Imperial College and she said that this year was an absolute killer for oil company internships. She's going into finance (internship sales and trading at Goldman Sachs.

we look down on the mainland chinese because they are the total opposite of what traditional chinese values encompass to be good people. it's a chinese thing, we love our race so much we can't tolerate when someone who identifies as the same race is so shit i mean look at this guy here he's literally the shamefur dispray meme

you are shallow and you will never be happy
i'm glad you are a virgin, i hope nobody marries you, you are literally the worst of the cheap chinese 50 year old uncle stereotype.

What is state capitalism?

depends. activity is at a decade low. inventories have been building for 6 years straight, supplies are overstocked and retailers have full backrooms which they discharge via sales to try and fudge gaap accounting. baltic dry is at what? 700 fucking hundred?

oil price might NOT pick up. just something to think about. japan has invested in hydrogen, IF indonesia grows which is doubtful they will also be using hydrogen. china is relaly the only one growing right now but they won't suddenly displace the US and EU market in terms of volume or cashflow because of their monetary policies and coal.

so it might not. but go ahead.

>Can somebody explain this shit to me? I'm not even trolling, but I've always associated nationalisation with socialist, labour focused policies.
Your confusion is understandable. Right and left wing are not as clear cut as anyone likes to think.

Generally, capitalism is seen as right wing while socialism is left wing. On the other hand, nationalism is considered right wing and globalization/internationalism is left wing. People constantly accuse opponents of "not being xxx" like we're seeing in america right now. Donald trump is a good example since he's nationalistic for his people but has some socialized ideas on healthcare or taxes. People think a person who is right wing must have all typical right wing policies but this is obviously not true. You see globalists who promote capitalism and claim to be conservative but they're holding 2 opposite ends of the spectrum.

In reality, the economic spectrum is separate and distinct from the social and national one. This is why hitler was always accused of being right wing when he was nationalistic for germany, but he was also an environmentalist, vegetarian, feminist. It's not unusual for people to have different ideas on different topics.