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Plan on having someone rap on this. I know the beats repetitive and I do plan on switching it up throughout the song and cleaning up the mix. I just want critiques on the composition.
It sounds like a metronome is beating the mic. I'd tone that down or maybe change the sound all together
Samuel Richardson
Oh yeah I forgot that was playing throughout the whole song. I'm gonna make it so it only plays during the intro and chorus. Thank you for reminding me.
Christopher Stewart
The other day there was a discussion on another thread () about using low-volume "subliminal" sounds that can't really be heard but enrich che frequency spectrum. Kinda like overdubbing but not limited to just playing instrumental tracks over the song.
Later in the thread someone posted a video of Dr Luke showing a Pro Tools project of a Katy Perry song where he used this technique and shows the huge number of tracks he has for all the layering and whatnot.
What do you think of this? Do you do something like this? How do you do it?
Aiden Cook
Really like the piano melody but I think having it cut out so often works against it. I'd take them out or simply use them less and put them in spots where they underscore important parts of the song, like when the first verse starts, assuming it's meant to be rapped over.
Christopher Nguyen
FL Studio, Ableton or both?
Jayden Martin
Neither, Renoise. Requires less resources than both fl and ableton.
Studio One. I have no equipment to record real instruments how I want so I must resort to only synths.
Adam Lopez
WHY IS EVERYTHING I MAKE CRAP
Camden Green
Cause you dont think. Before i became a NEET i tried plenty careers,one was cinema. There was a subject called "vision" were we read philosophy ant masturbated over our euphoria. The teacher was a creepy cringy motherfucker who was always trying passes to the 18yo rural girls and figured himself an existential antihero. But if he taught me sth, it was that "you fuckers have never had an idea, you fuckers say 'i have an idea for a zombie film' but u motherfuckers dont know what having a CINEMA idea means". Meaning that to have an idea in art means having an idea about the methodological process to reach a specific aesthetic/artistic goal on the medium itself. Think about it, it was wise, even if it came from a borderline pedophilic alcoholic
I think it works cause you've got real(?) snare and hats.
Ayden Russell
You're doing good lad. Keep it up.
Josiah Williams
I'm liking it cause its not a generic cancerous, repetitive and predictable trap song.
Michael Clark
Glorious
0:55 counterpoint sample piano shit, EXTEND IT, its the climax of ur track , add some droney filter-game saw synth with big release and reverb ala sax and counter hats? hat pedal? ride? + syncopated snares after 8 bars, so u can push that section to 16 u can maybe fit 32. then drop the drums, reiterate the main bass line, and descend back to the rest till fade-out end
Ethan Sullivan
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Jaxon Jones
Are you the guy who always uses that pic? If yes then fuck you, you can do way better. I can only recommend you drop trap faggotry and go listen some real hiphop/rap. Dj Shadow, earl sweatshirt, kase-o, and charlie hijos bastardos. If you wanna keep the trap then try gata cattana
Carson Anderson
Hey, has /prod/ taken over /comp/? Or do I start a new thread?
Bro, that's for sure not counterpoint.
Jackson Flores
I have no interest in making music but I've been curious about something for a while from an outsider's perspective
Basically, is the "you can make great music on your laptop now with cheap equipment!!" meme actually true? Like, it just sounds too good to be true. What's the catch?
Do people actually achieve mainstream success making music in their bedrooms and shit or is that just a myth? I just can't imagine people succeeding in this business without connections or money of some form. But maybe i'm wrong, I honestly don't know anything about this.
There has to be a limit to what one guy can do on his own with cheap gear right?
Leo Peterson
>Basically, is the "you can make great music on your laptop now with cheap equipment!!" meme actually true? More like, what's great music? Something like is actually better than what Sup Forums has recommended me when I actually came here for recommendations, but now there's lots of stuff like that because standards were so low in the past 100 or so years. You have no idea.
We're at a point where you can say really great music is shit and that really shit music is great.
>Do people actually achieve mainstream success making music in their bedrooms and shit or is that just a myth? It's complicated, but no. No, you need to make connections unless you can do everything by yourself perfectly.
Eli Lewis
>0:55 counterpoint I dunno man this stuff isn't hard.
Making house or non-sample rnb out of this stuff is fucking gold.
Jack Johnson
Maybe not melodic mad but im pretty sure aroind 055 the piano was dropping in the "and" beats, thats drumming counterpoint.
Owen Hill
>is the "you can make great music on your laptop now with cheap equipment!!" meme actually true? Like, it just sounds too good to be true. What's the catch? The catch is that is pretty difficult, since to make "good" electronic music you need all the musical talent of making regular non-electronic music, but also the technical knowhow needed to turn those ideas into actual songs with a computer, which is pretty easy to do, but pretty hard to do well. Also, since electronic music production is now so accessible, the market is completely flooded with people of all skill levels doing all sorts of stuff, so it's harder to be unique than at a time where you needed access to extremely expensive equipment just to start learning.
>Do people actually achieve mainstream success making music in their bedrooms and shit or is that just a myth? I just can't imagine people succeeding in this business without connections or money of some form. But maybe i'm wrong, I honestly don't know anything about this. It's definitely possible but still very rare and very difficult. Some people might get famous off of something viral (so they get the exposure of "Internet fame" and ride that wave), some people might get noticed by someone off of their Soundcloud or something like that, but for the great majority it's a slow ascent where they start small (perhaps even just local), which gives them a bit more exposure, which puts them into slightly bigger circles, which results in more exposure, etc. until they find themselves on a big label, and if they're marketable enough, they become famous and successful.
The good thing is that, albeit much harder, you can still make connections entirely online and do your ascent that way.
Caleb Johnson
>trying to depress anons I know at least 20 people living from music with ableton, a soundcard, cheap monitors, marketing skills and lots of swlf learning The trick to be independent is to have friends
Jacob Cooper
>The trick to be independent is to have friends
Sorry, I meant to say: The trick to be independent is to have well-connected friends
Isaiah Howard
>drumming counterpoint Sorry, no.
>counterpoint sample piano No offence, but it's not a good word to start using for music. It'll pick up for philosophy, but for music it's got to mean harmony stuff so if I say counterpoint someone else knows what I'm doing.
There's not really another word for it you know...
Connections is it.
I'm usually on Sup Forums so we talk about this stuff often, I'm starting to think the really obscure 2deep4u post-post-modern art that's just off reality gets popular almost purely because of connections. It's the artform for people who can seem cool and make friends, but might not have the intellectual ability for something a little.. traditional.
Adam Foster
Nope, just friends, everybody i know who makes a living from music are part of the same circle that organized in a slum-cooperative fashion to get to where they are. Some are doing better than the others due to markets, but all live from some aspect of music. Your problem is you are lazy and are unwilling to take a risk for your music
Bentley Cruz
I've seen some really good music that has no listens because of shitty artwork or because they're using their real, unwieldly/unmemorable name. It needs good marketing but generally if you have the intuition to make good stuff you'll have to intuition to know if your marketing sucks.
But if you're thinking that people just make total shit and have their friends allegorize it with art and polish it in the studio that's not very common. Usually the music has to be a cut above the amateur soundcloud stuff.
Juan Harris
>they're using their real, unwieldly/unmemorable name. Heh.
Every name is either one or the other and every pseudonym is about as awkward as a stick.
>But if you're thinking that people just make total shit and have their friends allegorize it with art and polish it in the studio that's not very common. Yeah, I do, because some post-modernism is like "okay dear, it's your money you spent on college." Sure if they're studying at university especially since it's accompanied with a paper, but if they're in their mid 40s and actually aren't teaching or studying, then this is exactly what I think.
Sorry, but I've heard it pretty well argued that postmodernism is deliberately bad, it's designed to lower standards.
>You are 99 percent right, but in drumming, accentuating the and is called counterpoint Cool, call it syncopation instead.
Gabriel Mitchell
Personally I don't care to do it in my own music, it's usually very sparse and I like it that way. But if you make house or something like that I can see why it would help. Of course you can always do it the easy Burial way and add a big whop of hiss and cracle over everything, with maybe some sidechaining on specific frequency bands so it doesn't muddle out your kick drums etc..
Here's some shit Tycho posted on gearslutz, he talks about much the same stuff pastebin.com/c8Wyqmvn
Ryder Nelson
Okay, but that's not what I'm going for asshole.
Elijah Miller
The lowering of standards is because people are spending 10,000 hours on call of duty and twitter so they're working within smaller musical vocabularies. There probably is some sort of conspiracy to lower standards when you get idiots mumbling about smoking crack in the charts but I get the feeling you're talking about vaporwave or something which hardly anyone listens to.
Jeremiah Thompson
Not him but he's right. I'm not sure about it being a deliberate conspiracy, but postmodernism really does lower standards because it shifts the mindset from being "only those who are good deserve praise" to "everyone deserves praise", so what was before a sort of "objective" way of seeing what is good and what is worthless, now we have a mentality of "everyone can be good for one reason or another", and art now doesn't need to be made out of excellence anymore. It just needs to have some sort of underlying idea and some context, and it's considered good even if it's literal shit on a canvas.
This mentality of "we need to equalize the field by putting everyone on the same pedestal" ensured that shitty art is seen as just as good as excellent art (just for different reasons), so the limited number of successful artists is filled with a higher ratio of undeserving ones and a smaller ratio of deserving ones.
Kayden Perez
>There probably is some sort of conspiracy to lower standards when you get idiots mumbling about smoking crack That's different... related, but different. I think that's an honest (just lazy) attempt at doing something with black culture. Maybe its related in that if 5 part counterpoint were the norm it would sound weirder? Hip hop sounds pretty weird to classical listeners.
>sound, sound, wrrp, loop, sound, sound what do they mean by this??
>I get the feeling you're talking about vaporwave or something which hardly anyone listens to I know the people I'm referring to are a minority, but it has a flow on effect and now I actually think my music might be "bad" because normies would tell what it is even if I dressed it as house or rnb.
Anyway, pic related, when you start writing melodies like this I think I picked the wrong night to write a track.
Joshua Turner
New to this discussion but the way I see it postmodernism just doesn't do the whole "if you had to train years for this then it's good" thing that traditional art does. Of course this opens the door to a whole bunch of poseurs and hoaxers, but it also allows many new, more abstract/minimalistic forms of genuine expression and societal critique.
Sebastian Collins
Thinking on finally spending dollarydoos on Albeton,
Is the 100$ Intro program good? 450 for the essentials seems a tad much for me atm.
Anything else I need to get?
Michael Miller
just pirate it
Ryan Miller
>I'm not sure about it being a deliberate conspiracy The theory is that soviets sent spies to colleges and government departments, but only the government ones were caught. Then when the wall fell those left at colleges kept teaching, retired, and then their students kept teaching the same things.
>"everyone deserves praise", I feel it''s more like proving this than believing it. My issue is I think post-modernists will block praise from any neoclassical movement that comes after enough people say fuck you to postmodernism and download music theory text books.
>postmodernism just doesn't do the whole "if you had to train years for this then it's good" thing Cheap talent?
>Of course this opens the door to a whole bunch of poseurs and hoaxers ..I have a philosophical problem here, if no one can tell who the poseurs and hoaxers are from the genuine real deal, is there really a difference? Especially when all we're presented with is the end product.
>societal critique That's really the counterargument of neoclassicism, did we really need to critique ALL of it? Even then, why was it only OUR stuff we critiqued and why weren't we allowed to critique foreign stuff or stuff claimed by minorities?
Aaron Scott
>New to this discussion but the way I see it postmodernism just doesn't do the whole "if you had to train years for this then it's good" thing that traditional art does. Traditional art doesn't really do this either. It's more of a "you have to train years to even reach a level that we can call good", because you'd have to compete with the people who did train long and hard and set the bar so high. There are prodigies who become very good without spending the years, and they're praised even if they didn't spend the years of their peers.
What (as I'm understanding you) you're talking about is just this thing where some stupid people see it as "it it took a long time to master it's automatically good", but this latter way of thinking isn't intrinsically part of traditional art.
What postmodernism does is taking away the "being good" part, and replaces it with "it's all relative, so everyone can be good in their own way", so they find one specific thing a piece of art does well, and make it the whole point of the art, disregarding how actually good the end result is. Look at modern paintings and sculptures. they more often than not look bad or stupid, they take little talent to make, and people praise them because "they're a deep exploration of the duality of the rational and the irrational parts of the human psyche", so it doesn't matter that it's just a canvas with a bunch of geometric shapes on it, because people don't care anymore aout excellence.
A classic artist that wanted to portray a deep exploration of the duality of the rational and the irrational parts of the human psyche, would've painted a scene that would look good, and still has that meaning.
In ancient times they would paint these incredible paintings with new groundbreaking techniques (of the time) of deep and meaningful mythological and religious stories, to achieve the same deep meaningfulness, and at the same time create beautiful art that's also impressive in its skillful execution.
Isaiah Reyes
>The theory is that soviets sent spies to colleges and government departments, but only the government ones were caught. Then when the wall fell those left at colleges kept teaching, retired, and then their students kept teaching the same things. I know about the Bezmenov videos. We still don't know how influencial those were, and although I'm sure they did help propagate these ideologies, society was already moving in that direction.
>I feel it''s more like proving this than believing it. My issue is I think post-modernists will block praise from any neoclassical movement that comes after enough people say fuck you to postmodernism and download music theory text books. Maybe it's because English isn't my native language, but I don't understand what you mean. Can you rephrase please?
Jacob Thomas
inferiority complex when i make some songs, they sound nearly like other's, but after 20 times of listening and my crappy laptop, i fee; disappointed in my songs and delete them
Ian White
>they more often than not look bad or stupid, they take little talent to make What I'm worried is that if you look at music like fashion, then "good" really is whatever people say it is during that season. The next season they'll shamelessly say they hated it all along.
When this becomes music, everyone who is "someone" can collude and start agreeing on a singular, easily reproduced art form, especially if they find something that can appeal to women since increasing female enrollment seems to be a blanket goal of all courses. All of this didn't come directly from the Soviet Union, but between this gap: >Then when the wall fell those left at colleges kept teaching, retired, and then their students kept teaching the same things. I think it unhinged.
>We still don't know how influencial those were You don't actually think normal people need trigger warnings?
>society was already moving in that direction. I personally disagree, but we'll never know because we can agree there were extraneous circumstances.
>I don't understand what you mean. >Can you rephrase please? If everyone deserves praise, what happens when certain people receive more praise than others? What happens when you create standards? It becomes impossible to genuinely praise those at the lower end without coming off patronising.
Therefore if everyone deserves praise, the only way certain people will receive praise is if those at the higher end.. do not exist.It's not my phrasing, it's a hard notion to grasp. Equal outcome cannot mean equal treatment.
Hudson Reed
>What I'm worried is that if you look at music like fashion, then "good" really is whatever people say it is during that season. The next season they'll shamelessly say they hated it all along. I was talking more about art and postmodernism in general rather than just postmodernist music, but yeah, I think it's because of how the general population gets tired of a "sound" (sice most popular music nowadays is made of fads instead of solid timeless concepts), then the suits choose one of the new underground ones to replace it, etc. But there may very well be some deliberate effort to promote one thing instead of another, purely for the effects it has on society. I've never seen any real proof of this, but I can see it happening.
>You don't actually think normal people need trigger warnings? I don't mean it didn't happen. I mean it didn't happen because of the soviets.
>If everyone deserves praise, what happens when certain people receive more praise than others? What happens when you create standards? It becomes impossible to genuinely praise those at the lower end without coming off patronising. What happens is that people find excuses for certain people's shortcomings and start fighting for the equality of outcome (because equality of opportunity would still result in people reaching different levels and they want to hide that) to "make up" for the injustice of them not being at that level. I'm sure you know all about how SJWs hate meritocracy and want the people they consideer disadvantaged to be helped and want those who they think are priviledged to be hindered, so I don't need to make examples.
>if everyone deserves praise, the only way certain people will receive praise is if those at the higher end.. do not exist If you remove everyone at the higher end you'll end up with a new group that was previously close to the high end but wasn't quite there, and now it's at the high end. They'll still complain about those like crabs in a bucket.
Dylan Green
anyone know how to make the main synth used in DJ Khaled - I'm The One? I've only got NI Massive at my disposal
this is the reference track, is my track a bit muddy in comparision? or something clyp.it/4htfnsue
Nathaniel Young
Sounds like FM synthesis to me.
It's not really complicated so if your DAW has an FM synth you should be able to make something close to that.
Which DAW do you have?
Adrian Baker
youtube.com/watch?v=CxJW2R5OPcI This should be pretty close (obviously it's not the same sound, so try to make it pluckier, use proper processing, etc.)
Josiah Brooks
Cool, thanks for the link!
Julian Jones
You often get people liking non postmodern stuff for extramusical justifications of why its good. Like people easily impressed by the speed of playing a guitar so it's like a spectator sport or people liking adele because her voice sounds like something that would win american idol and make loads of money yet the music is fake sentimental trash.
I'm allergic to pretentiousness but I still can listen to very minimalist, unmelodic, weird stuff that people might call postmodern and see what they're saying with it and appreciate it without being told this is good because it has this story behind it.
Angel Green
i like adeles music
Cooper Gonzalez
it sounds like the plodding post-coldplay music that popped up around 2005. 'sex is fire' is an example of what im talking about
sounds like someone filling in chords at the start of every bar on a piano roll and adding a filler melody
i think she's big becuz fake black money voice and fat women liking her because she's fat
Adam Reed
*on fire
Nolan Ramirez
i have the same impression but i enjoy it
Daniel Howard
Logic Pro X - I found the FM Synth but not sure how to get the right sound. could you help me out?
Jack Phillips
>You often get people liking non postmodern stuff for extramusical justifications of why its good. Like people easily impressed by the speed of playing a guitar so it's like a spectator sport or people liking adele because her voice sounds like something that would win american idol and make loads of money yet the music is fake sentimental trash. And those aren't legitimate reasons to like art?
Liking a song that's complete shit but has a guitar played very fast or it's sung by a singer with a good voice is stupid, but liking a good song because on top of being a good song, it also has an impressive display of skill or a good voice is 100% legitimate and that's always been the case.
Just like I said in my previous posts, it's good that postmodernist art has contextual meaning, has historical value, or it's a conceptual piece that wants to make a statement. But my problem with it is that it's just that. Those characteristics are the entire point of postmodernist art, and my problem is that classic art had all these characteristics too, but they were on top of great art that would've still been beautiful and powerful without the underlying meaning.
Meaning and context only add depth to a piece, enriching it and augmenting its power. By making them the entire thing, you just end up with a hollow tube of nothing, because there's no art to support the meaning. It's just meaning.
It's the difference between real poetry (which requires extensive knowledge of language, literature, and a high intellect to pull off) and that shit millennials like (I don't remember the name) where someone goes on a stage and starts rhythmically saying sentences about important issues or whatever they like.
What's the point in just saying things and calling it poetry just because of their meaning? Why can't we have meaning AND beauty AND skills like we've always had before postmodernism?
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Blake Parker
(cont.) >I'm allergic to pretentiousness but I still can listen to very minimalist, unmelodic, weird stuff that people might call postmodern and see what they're saying with it and appreciate it without being told this is good because it has this story behind it. I'm not saying all postmodernist art is bad. I do like a lot of it myself. I'm just arguing that postmodernism as a concept is fundamentally bullshit and results in a ton of bullshit "art" that shouldn't be called art at all.
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Joseph Thompson
>if no one can tell who the poseurs and hoaxers are from the genuine real deal, is there really a difference? Personally I like some abstract art and other stuff not so much. Of course if you like none of it, then there's no way for you to see what has merit and what hasn't.
>That's really the counterargument of neoclassicism, did we really need to critique ALL of it? Even then, why was it only OUR stuff we critiqued and why weren't we allowed to critique foreign stuff or stuff claimed by minorities? No idea what you're getting at here.
You're still conflating technical ability with artistic merit. Just because you think only realistic figurative art can look good doesn't mean everyone shares that opinion. "Hurr durr my 5 year old niece could do this"-art can be just as impactful to me (ofte moreso) than the oompteenth perfectly executed mythological scene.
Ayden Lopez
I'm not very good with FM and I've never used Logic, so I'm not sure how to help you.
Try to find tutorials for similar sounds and learn why they sound like that.
One that comes to mind is the bass from "Fancy" by Iggy Azalea (I'm sure there are tons of tutorials on that).
Consider switching to Ableton though. You'll find tutorials for everything very easily, and it's very powerful (for sound design and sample manipulation blows Logic out of the water).
Zachary Morales
>No idea what you're getting at here. Political correctness.
Nathan Peterson
>And those aren't legitimate reasons to like art?
I don't think it's a wholesome kind of appreciation. I don't even think it's the same part of the brain. I can play fucking anything on guitar but if I listen to Link Wray's Rumble I don't think 'pfft I could play that' because it's genius that he clocked the artistic potential in those two chords with that tone
Dominic Sanders
>You're still conflating technical ability with artistic merit. Technical ability is not the only thing that makes artistic merit, but it's an important part of it.
>Just because you think only realistic figurative art can look good doesn't mean everyone shares that opinion. There are plenty of styles that look good without being realistic. I guess a bunch of cubes look good too, but it's not what I meant. Have you even been to the Vatican (or any building adorned with classic art pieces considered "masterpieces")? Can you imagine if instead of those paintings, sculptures, and frescoes were replaced with modern art? It would be laughable.
What I'm arguing isn't that postmodernist art lacks beauty. It's that it lacks everything that we conventionally associate with artistic merit, and then some arbitrary form of artistic merit is added "artificially" to it because the piece is some sort of metaphor for something.
"Hurr durr my 5 year old niece could do this"-art can be just as impactful to me (ofte moreso) than the oompteenth perfectly executed mythological scene. If my 5yo niece can do it, then it's likely that the piece has little artistic merit, and it's just a statement metaphorically represented with a painting or sculpture, and gets called art just because of the medium, despite having very little of "art". I'm open to being corrected though, so feel free to post something postmodern that looks like it could be made by a child but it's still impactful and has artistic merit (instead of just being an impactful statement represented visually).
Lucas Rivera
Whaether you're doing it on purpose or not, that's a strawman argument.
If you read the rest of the post I clearly stated that those reasons alone aren't enough for art to be "good", so it's stupid to appreciate an otherwise shitty song just because it has one of those things.
My argument was that they're good "features" that make a good song when they're on top of other good features.
Read the rest of the post next time you reply to someone with just a decontextualized part of it.
Nicholas Diaz
>pretend to discuss art >confuse between modern art/contemporary art/postmodern art postmodernism is pretty much dead btw
Zachary Cooper
>Technical ability is not the only thing that makes artistic merit, but it's an important part of it. Only insofar as it's in the service of artistic expression, and not a shred more than that. "Oh wow that's really skillful" kind of appreciation has nothing to do with art. >Have you even been to the Vatican (or any building adorned with classic art pieces considered "masterpieces")? Not the vatican, but yeah. They don't really touch me emotionally but that's probably because I'm not a christian (tips fedora). >Can you imagine if instead of those paintings, sculptures, and frescoes were replaced with modern art? >It would be laughable. That's exactly what modern architecture does though, it's pretty good in some cases. For example I really enjoyed the Guggenheim museum in Bilbao. >It's that it lacks everything that we conventionally associate with artistic merit, and then some arbitrary form of artistic merit is added "artificially" to it because the piece is some sort of metaphor for something. I don't agree that it's artificial at all. IMO it gets to the core of what artistic expression is, and has been all along.
>If my 5yo niece can do it, then it's likely that the piece has little artistic merit She probably couldn't, maybe come close visually but it wouldn't be the same on an artistic level.
As an example of real postmodern art (I can think of some paintings but they're not really postmodern, just abstract) I really liked this video installation by Jon Rafman stedelijk.nl/en/exhibitions/jonrafman
>confuse between modern art/contemporary art/postmodern art You're right lol, I'm not even sure myself which one I'm talking about.
Jose Bell
I see the importance of skill in getting a better end result but if it's virtuoso exhibitions of skill then that's a totally different world meant for teenagers who are learning an instrument but don't really like music.
I'm not saying limit yourself to be sure that you're not showing off, e.g. a lot of classical music may be very difficult to compose or play but only in the service of the end result and not displaying skill
But no I don't think it's 100% legitimate
Dominic Roberts
>Consider switching to Ableton though. You'll find tutorials for everything very easily, and it's very powerful (for sound design and sample manipulation blows Logic out of the water).
I understand as a lot of dj kids like to use ableton it has become hugely popular, so it makes sense that there are lots of tutorials for ableton. It would also seem that 9 out of 10 of these easy to find tutorials are made by these DJ kids I refer to in my previous sentence, usually they are not very professional and total garbage. Would you also care to explain how ableton is so powerful and better at sound design and sample manipulation? I hear this sort of thing thrown about a lot by ableton users and it seems like the sort of thing someone who has obviously never used Logic or any other daw for that matter would say.
Dylan Powell
how do these youtube producers that make "x feat y vs z type beat" have instrumental parts that sound very good but have absolutely shit drums? do they just flip downloaded loops?
Robert Allen
Mix is good, but there's a sound in it that plays for the first time 30 seconds in, is panned a bit left, and plays about once a bar, kinda like a pluck sound. What is it? I've heard it so many places, and it's driving me crazy.
Noah Baker
Could it be they've sampled a song and tried to add their own beats they've mixed to it?
I think a lot of people are timbre deaf when it comes to drums, you can try to explain to them that it sounds bad but they can't hear it. It just sounds like generic drums to them. Takes practice to get more picky I suppose.
Daniel Perez
yeah, it's like a lot of these wannabe producers think the drums are secondary or something in hip hop
Daniel Wilson
does anyone know of any acapella rap vocal sample packs I could use? as in, one-shot vocal acapellas from old rap songs compiled into a pack.
could you point me in the direction of something like this?
Daniel Turner
probabbly on r/samples or something but really don't put that shit on your beats
Nicholas Carter
lmao
Jose Brooks
I don't mean art of the postmodern style. I mean art that comes from a "postmodern society" (I don't know how else to call it but I often hear it being called this way). If you read the thread it becomes pretty evident.
>>Only insofar as it's in the service of artistic expression, and not a shred more than that. "Oh wow that's really skillful" kind of appreciation has nothing to do with art. I disagree. While it certainly is not enough to define good art (a photorealistic painting of my neighbour's dog will still be shitty art), it definitely adds to it. Everything else being equal (same subject, same meaning and context, etc), which one would you think has more "artistic merit", the one painted masterfully with all the proper techniques, or the one painted "abstractly" with simple shapes?
>Not the vatican, but yeah. They don't really touch me emotionally but that's probably because I'm not a christian (tips fedora). I'm atheist as well. You don't need to believe a story really happened to appreciate it and the art that comes from it. Mine was just an example. There's plenty of nonreligious art that can be as powerful as modern art, but is ALSO beautiful and requires decades of study and practice just to execute. Which one holds more artistic merit?
>That's exactly what modern architecture does though, it's pretty good in some cases. >in some cases To be honest I really like modern architecture, but compared to classical styles it's not really as artistic. Again, it's often more of a statement or gimmicky feature than actual timeless art. Classic styles of architecture will always be considered good art, while modern architecture is neat for a week, and once your excitement for their meaning/statement/whatever you get bored with them. I certainly don't think they hold as much artistic value as non-modern styles.
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Ryan Jackson
>I don't agree that it's artificial at all. IMO it gets to the core of what artistic expression is, and has been all along. So if I think of some deep meaningful idea and represent it visually in a metaphorical way as some shape, I'm suddenly creating good art? The end result is still the same as a non-artist just making the same thing without the meaning (which wouldn't be considered art at all), so all that would make that piece "art" would just be its meaning and nothing else about it.
I understand that meaning is an important part of art, but it's something that should add to it, not be the entire thing, because otherwise there's little artistic value. Art can still be art without the meaning. A good song can be instrumental with no meaning and still be powerful and beautiful. A painting can have no underlying intention and can still evoke strong emotions and be beautiful.
A visual metaphor alone isn't art. It's just a visual metaphor. When you have art that's also good without the metaphorical meaning and context, AND THEN add them to it, it becomes great excellent art. They're like toppings on a pizza. You can't just take pepperoni slices and say it's a pizza (or even a meal), but you can remove the pepperoni and say it's a pizza. It won't be as good as with toppings, but it will still be a meal, while the toppings alone will not. Just like a beautiful piece will still be art even without the meaning, but the meaning alone can't be art on its own.
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Thomas Perez
>As an example of real postmodern art (I can think of some paintings but they're not really postmodern, just abstract) I really liked this video installation by Jon Rafman This is an example of what I meant. They're not powerful because of the art, but because of the meaning. The whole point of this exhibition is in the meaning. It's not art that could stand on its own that also with meaning. It's just the meaning, represented with some videos that without the "meaning" part wouldn't be considered art at all.
I'm not saying that some virtuoso playing a major scale on a guitar at light speed would be good art, but that a song that's good without the virtuoso playing has more artistic value when it also has virtuoso playing. Look at Paganini's music for example. A big part of why he's so famous in the first place is because he was so impossibly good that people thought he was the devil, and he's still considered "one of the greats". Or all those musicians who spend their entire lives without composing anything (besides perhaps in school) and are esteemed professionals just because of their skills in playing or singing, because it's such a high level of artistry that you can't help but appreciate when listening. Would you say it's stupid to appreciate Pavarotti's music because of how well he sings and how good his voice is?
Appreciation for the dedication and artistry necessary to reach a very high level of excellence will always be part of what makes a great artist.
You can appreciate something for several different things. In this case you can appreciate a piece by how well it's composed, by how well the singer can sing, how well the instruments are played, how well it's engineered, how good the sound design is, etc.
Appreciating a song that has only one of these things is stupid, but appreciating a song that isn't bad but has one or more of these things is perfectly legitimate and has always been a main reason for people to like usic.
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Joshua Gonzalez
This is my third track, first one with a vocal. Got some nice pointers last time, how do I improve my mix?
Well Pavarotti's voice strikes an emotional chord but I'm not appreciating the skill just the sound
Connor Cooper
>It would also seem that 9 out of 10 of these easy to find tutorials are made by these DJ kids, usually they are not very professional and total garbage. You can find out immediately if they're shit or not by watching a few seconds of the videos. And even if they are DJ kids, as long as they teach you the concept you clicked on the video to learn, I don't see the problem.
>Would you also care to explain how ableton is so powerful and better at sound design and sample manipulation? Nowadays with third party plugins being so good (which equalizes all the advantages by internal default instruments and effects), the only difference between daws is in their inner workings and their capabilities, and Ableton has a few things that allow for much more freedom than other DAWs, For example their midi/instrument/audio-effect racks, which allow you to do a billion things that would just be impossible with other DAWs or require complex routings to achieve what you can do in two clicks with Ableton.
Or their "live effect" approach o midi, which is achieved by having a pretty barebones piano roll and putting all those features as devices you can insert before the instruments so you can automate parameters and change things in real time.
Or the ability to make and add plugins that are specifically made for Ableton thanks to Max4Live and its plethora of super useful and unique devices.
Or the sample manipulation capabilities, with their "warping features", the integration with the samplers, and the all-around ease with which you chop and manipulate samples.
Or the "session view", which allows you to have an extremely flexible workflow, quickly throw down ideas and loops, and do all those things you can't do on a timeline.
These are from the top of my head. I'm sure there are more.
TL;DR: It can do basically what the other DAWs can, and much more.
Justin Bell
I hate having to drag a true pan max4life plug onto every new track. I hate having to use the utility plugin to check phase, why can't they just make an SSL console type thing like the one in Reason? Even with a default template setup with all the stuff I use the most I still find it a hassle sometimes.
I wish you had all the features that ableton has and they just stole all the good stuff from the other DAWs. I wish you had tracker mode, sibelius mode, wave editor mode, 808/303 pattern mode, reason/reaktor modular rack mode etc all rolled into one
Mason Martin
snare's punch has been lost.
the only solution is to go back to the mix, and make room for each track.
Daniel Anderson
You can make it so that each new track has whatever plugins you want.
Liam Morales
>2x sausage fattener
Thanks though, I need to reread the manual. Still wish they had a single click phase button on the mixer.
Samuel Phillips
buying some gear this week! I have a tr-8 in the mail and getting a korg minilogue and monologue when i get paid.
I was thinking of getting a DX7 and i found a cheap one from japan but has anyone ever imported anything used from there? i am worried about paying duty out the ass to the point where it's not even worth it
Juan Phillips
Yikes @ that fx chain
Henry Gomez
Yeah, that'd be nice, but for all the advantages it has I think it's worth it.
I know, I had to remove the 6 OTTs because they wouldn't fit in the screenshot, so I ended up with that shit.
Jordan Howard
>There's plenty of nonreligious art that can be as powerful as modern art, but is ALSO beautiful and requires decades of study and practice just to execute. You keep making the implicit assumption that abstract modern art can not be beautiful.
>Everything else being equal (same subject, same meaning and context, etc), which one would you think has more "artistic merit", the one painted masterfully with all the proper techniques, or the one painted "abstractly" with simple shapes? I'd have to see them both lol. The realistic one might as well be pointless wank, or maybe the abstractly painted one is just emperor's new clothes shit, who knows? But just because one is masterfully made using the proper techniques (whatever those are) doesn't make it inherently better in my book.
>This is an example of what I meant. >They're not powerful because of the art, but because of the meaning. >The whole point of this exhibition is in the meaning. >It's not art that could stand on its own that also with meaning. It's just the meaning, represented with some videos that without the "meaning" part wouldn't be considered art at all. I don't see why this is bad. I guess we just have a different conception of what good art is and should be, maybe let's just keep it at that.
Alexander Bell
Why is Aphex Twin so highly regarded? Why does everyone see him as a god?
Blake Jones
I would listen to this.
Zachary Rodriguez
Where does Reaper fall in that spectrum, sir?
Brayden Powell
clyp.it/hl5db1cs I'm basically only good at making kicks and never have any idea on what else to do with them
Hudson Sanchez
>You keep making the implicit assumption that abstract modern art can not be beautiful. Compared to their classical counterpart I think they are, and I think anyone besides abstract-art-enthusiasts would agree. You can show me examples of abstract art that's as beautiful as classic art of the same "level".
>I'd have to see them both lol. The realistic one might as well be pointless wank, or maybe the abstractly painted one is just emperor's new clothes shit, who knows? But just because one is masterfully made using the proper techniques (whatever those are) doesn't make it inherently better in my book. I don't think you're understanding what "Everything else being equal" means.
>I don't see why this is bad. I made enough examples and I've explained pretty well why meaning alone isn't enough to make good art, so if you're still not seeing why I'm making those arguments, then it's pointless to keep arguing.
>I guess we just have a different conception of what good art is and should be, maybe let's just keep it at that. Yeah, that's evident lol My whole argument was an attempt at showing you my point of view (that can still be wrong of course) and try to see if yours can convince me. I'm not trying to reach an agreement lol I guess we'll just leave with the same opinions we had at the start.
