Name a better pop album

Name a better pop album

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en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pet_Sounds
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Most of them.

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Abbey Road

Depends on what your Pop's taste is like.

came here to post this

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Contrarian shitposter

Retard

Not even their best

Le everything is subjective moron

Autist

>Contrarian shitposter
Brainless Sup Forums drone

any smiths album

fucking idiot

Worthy of debate, regardless of what Sup Forums thinks

>Not Jenny Death or Ex-Military

>only Sup Forums likes Pet Sounds
Try again sweetie
Listening to some random obscure noise album doesn't make you an expert on music

Hounds of Love

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Listening to popular mom-pop only gets your internet cred on tumblr

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Take your Sup Forums internet cred and shove it up your ass, that's all it's good for you underage retard

this thread is toxic

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Dumb person

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>mom-pop shite
>calls me underage

Don't you have a Led Zepelin album to cum over again?

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it's actually this

>Le everything is subjective
How is it not?

>mom-pop
>proceeds to call me underage
Do you eveb know the meaning of the buzzwords you spew you stupid little shit?

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it is, but OP asked for your subjective opinion

Yous is my mans.

And that user answered correctly, it depends on your taste.

well no shit, doesn't contribute much to the thread though

this friend

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>arguing over what is better than what without actual discourse on music is a contribution
Nah.

Why don't you tell us why Pet Sounds is better?

Because it's innovative, well composed and flows well as an album. Characteristics most albums ITT don't share.

>innovative
How so?
>composed and flows well as an album.
Lots of albums do this.

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>innovative, well composed and flows well
buzzword galore
>Characteristics most albums ITT don't share
wrong

>Pet Soundsis regarded by musicologists as an earlyconcept albumthat advanced the field ofmusic production, introducing non-standard harmonies andtimbres, and incorporating elements ofpop,jazz,exotica,classical, and theavant-garde. A heralding work ofpsychedelia, the album furthered an aesthetic trend within rock by helping it transform fromdance musicinto music that was made for listening to, elevating itself to the level ofart rock. AuthorBill Martinsaid thatPet Soundsrepresents a turning point where the Beach Boys "brought expansions in harmony, instrumentation (and therefore timbre),duration,rhythm, and the use ofrecording technology. Of these elements, the first and last were the most important in clearing a pathway toward the development ofprogressive rock.
At least know what you're talking about before you post
>Lots of albums do this
Most pop albums don't

>get criticisism for buzzword galore
>copy paste someone else's buzzword galore as a retort

>le buzzwords ecks dee
Not a fucking argument kiddo
Did you just learn that word or something?

I only listen to underground pop

>early concept
[citation needed]
>introducing non-standard harmonies andtimbres
[citation needed]
>A heralding work ofpsychedelia
Not really
>fromdance musicinto music that was made for listening to
I think you are thinking of Bob Dylan, but it's a nice try
>At least know what you're talking about before you post
Try again without using something you read on wikipedia

What was it's actual innovation?

Do you not understand that vague descriptions are not an argument. I use that word because that is literally what you are doing you fucking thick idiot.

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Wikipedia has sources, unlike your shit posts.

>vague descriptions
Elaborate. Those statements are pretty specific.

Revisionist art critics jerking off Brian Wilson are not objective sources. If he was british you lot would be calling it overrated as fuck.

dope album, but is it pop?

Some literal who on a taiwanese basket weaving forum is definitely a better source.

>Wikipedia has sources
It's your argument, you need to prove it.

It's not a concept album, prove otherwise
There was no harmonic innovation that hadn't already been done by, say, Gershwin
It's not psychedelic, prove otherwise
The Wall do Sound production was stolen form Phil Spector
It wasn't the first intellectual rock album, that would have Highway 61 Revisited

I'm waiting.

At least I am not dishonest.

Like I said, the sources are there, it's your job to disprove them. Negative statements don't cut it.

I don't care. You have no arguments besides 'muh revisionist critics' ad hominem.

this album is like if a ryan trecartin movie was in audio form

>it's your job to disprove them.
See Next argument please.

You don't argue your points beside copy/pasting from wikipedia you fucking hypocrite. Are you even capable of individual thought?

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Remember that time Wayne interview Brian Wilson and called him out for being a child abuser?

I bet OP doesn;t.

[citation needed]
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pet_Sounds
Disprove these sources.

Wikipedia is the most readily available source of information. At least I have something to back me up, unlike you.

the ultimate

>Disprove these sources.
OK, since you love wikipedia:

>Pet Sounds was the first concept album!
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In_the_Wee_Small_Hours
>Pet Sounds was revolutionary in timbre and instrumentation
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phil_Spector
>Pet Sounds was the first intellectual/psychedelic album!
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rubber_Soul

So, as you can see, you'll need a new argument since I just ass blasted yours.

>Pet Sounds was the first concept album!
No one said this
>Pet Sounds was revolutionary in timbre and instrumentation
>Phil Spector
I don't see how this disproves anything, they both were
>Pet Sounds was the first intellectual/psychedelic album!
No one said this
>So, as you can see, you'll need a new argument since I just ass blasted yours.
Next time try it without retarded strawmen

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>No one said this
See >I don't see how this disproves anything, they both were
Maybe you don't know what "innovative' means then. If Spector did it before Wilson, then Wilson isn't innovative. Spector was.
>No one said this
See >Next time try it without retarded strawmen
How is that a strawman?

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Spirits having flown - bee gees

@74286200
I don't see anything like that there, you must have some severe reading comprehension problems.
>If Spector did it before Wilson, then Wilson isn't innovative
Elaborate. What did Spector innovate that Wilson didn't?
>How is that a strawman?
On the off chance you're not clinically retarded, you're misrepresenting every single argument.
Not even giving you a (You) this time because you clearly have some issues.

First post best post

>Elaborate. What did Spector innovate that Wilson didn't?
How about the fact that Wilson utilized and based his work on Spector's innovations? He didn't innovate, he utilized.

>@74286200
Enjoying your first summer?
>I don't see anything like that there
Then maybe you didn't answer my question properly the first time?

What is innovate about Pet Sounds?

>you're misrepresenting every single argument.
What argument? You just copypasted something from wikipedia that didn't answer the question. When I prompted you to elaborate, you couldn't.

Orange Crate Art

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Influence isn't utilization. By your logic every single pop artist after Spector wasn't innovative.

>Influence
Nice goalpost shifting

this is a modern classic

no
no
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>muh subjectivity
no
on par but not pop
haven't listened to these but they probably aren't
god no
no
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lmao isn't that some pornstar?
no
no
no, also not pop
fake news

this was all anyone needed to post;

What? Wilson has stated multiple times that Spector was an influence. How does that dismiss Wilson's innovations?

>y-you just didn't answer
Stop shit posting anytime.

You forgot me.

>haven't listened to these but they probably aren't
imagine waking up and being this poster

>How does that dismiss Wilson's innovations?
What innovations were they, specifically?

You keep saying there was, but don't say what they were.

who are you?

or Ray of Light

Introduced non-standard harmonies and timbres, and incorporated elements of pop, jazz, exotica, classical, and the avant-garde. Furthered an aesthetic trend within rock by helping it transform from dance music into music that was made for listening to, elevating itself to the level of art rock. Pet Sounds represents a turning point where the Beach Boys "brought expansions in harmony, instrumentation (and therefore timbre), duration, rhythm, and the use of recording technology.

Me

What about that is innovative though?

>Revolver meme

innovative

[in-uh-vey-tiv]

adjective

tending toinnovate, or introduce something new or different; characterized byinnovation.

Can you name an album before Pet Sounds exactly like it?

>"meme" meme

So by this rubric ALL albums are innovative

Can you name an album before Rubber Soul exactly like it?

>Death grips on par
Yeah, you can fuck off now

>So by this rubric ALL albums are innovative
I don't see how. Almost every top 100 song these days sounds the same.
>Rubber Soul
I don't see how this is relevant.

OMG why is death grips such a meme on this board? Penis?

Dubs of truth

>these days
Nice cherry pikcing
>I don't see how this is relevant.
If you belief that Pet Sounds is innovative rests on the fact that you can't think of anything exactly like it, then that belief will be shattered if I demonstrate that same logic applies to many many many other albums, thus making it not a rubric for greatness.

Answer the quetsion.

I can't believe no one posted the GOAT pop album.

>it's not innovative according to my arbitrary definition
>it's innovative
>b-but that doesn't mean it's good
Nice goal post moving moron
Go jump off a bridge

>>it's not innovative according to my arbitrary definition
Quote me where I defined "innovation"
>>b-but that doesn't mean it's good
Quote me where I said it wasn't good

There is none.

See

People who like Pet Sounds are most of the time obese, californian feminist allies or dudebro chads