Cars are Degenerate

>buy overpriced mcmansion an hour from my work
>pay monthly insurance, constant repairs or maintenance for hundreds of dollars, buying oil or fluids or new parts, annual registration
>spend an hour each morning and evening in stressful traffic while morons try to play bumpercar with me
>cops always watching, waiting to give you a ticket for speeding or illegal parking
>come home, nothing to do, nothing around but other houses and other people who never go outside
>kids complain they're bored, want a 40 minute ride to their friend's house
>get back in car, drive them there, drive home, drive back later, drive back home
>kids want a new gaming console, say there's nothing else to do
>haven't had a night out in a month, closest bar is a 30 minute drive, friends all live 30-90 minutes away
>have to buy a car for jimmy and susan when they turn 16
>grateful so I don't have to be a taxi driver for them anymore
>have to buy a car for the wife because she has to work, too. Can't afford the 1500/month mortgage otherwise.
>buy a TV and a few cable subscriptions because nothing else to do in the evenings, the commute tired me out
>gain 50 lbs, look pregnant, brain turns to mush
>start enjoying sitcoms, wife addicted to soap operas
>buy 100k shekel RV for the annual camping trip, drive it through traffic both ways until you get to the crowded RV park full of retirees and college students there to party
>park it on a dirt lot, stare at neighbors' asscrack, eat shitty hotdogs
>kids and wife are all too fat to hike since they drive everywhere and never get exercise
>ahh the outdoors
>drive it home, kids all go to their own rooms, wife in other room on her tv and I'm in living room on mine
>peaceful, happy family, perfect white picket fence life

Cars and suburbs are degenerate. They're the cancer causing people to be fat, lazy, and stupid. A devoid wasteland with shitty chain restaurants and a stripmall connecting the dozen developments of identical oversized plywood houses.

Cars killed the city

large cities are also degenerate though. Pretty much every conservative philosopher/writer ever has commented on how shitty they are

see: new york , LA, chicago

Suburbs are degenerate BECAUSE they extend the city's evil reach out into the country side.

But now, this barely matters, because the Internet has turned the whole world into one big corrupt city regardless of location

Homosexuals, trannies, race mixers, cultural marxists are degenerate.
Cars are a glorious invention from white people.

I walk 10 minutes to work. Feels good not falling for the oil jew, the insurance jew, and the japan jew.

look at the idiot who can't get a drivers license

>that city
>large
I would say it doesn't have 100k people, plenty to be big but still have a close enough comminity

Have you ever been inside a crowded bus? If not, THEN SHUT THE FUCK UP

I wasn't referring to the city in your image. That's just a small/medium sized town

I mean the huge multicultural tower of babel style ones with skyscrapers etc.

OP is a poor faggot who cant afford a mcmansion or car

I live in Cihangir its near the center and basically the hipsteristan of Istanbul. I hate the crowds, the bars, the condescending pricks, junkies, roaming band of kurds, the noise etc.

I always liked the american suburb concept tbqh. Perfect for an introvert

Oh yeah those breed apathy and shadyness

Really, its the reliance on cars that have mad things bad. If public transit was more prevalent and not attached to a taboo for some reason then roadspace would be much more efficient and less of an eyesore.

As for citys themselves... Well its a complex issue. Im all for carefully handled population density, however miles of urban sprawl is not the way to handle it. If we could shrink citys down to a reasonable size and build up instead of out, then i believe they too could be made great again. Basically have more, smaller cities. instead of one super city like NY.

Or make a hive city like the tsu "two mile high" tower. No messy roads, manufacturing makes up the tower base. Conserves space for wilds and farms around it.

in a way, Sup Forums and anonymous forums are like one of those cities in terms of its ability to breed apathy and shadyness

Buy an old corolla

Which is worse spending money on an overpriced mcmansion or spending twice as much to rent an overpriced city apartment?

Spending your money on buying a car or spending all of your money on taxis, busses and subways?

Traveling to the woods once a month in an TV or never going to the woods at all because you can't afford a parking spot for your cuck car, much less an RV?

Kid's getting fat because you drive everywhere or kids getting fat because it's too dangerous to walk anywhere?

Suburbs in the US could be fixed with just some zoning changes.

They need to allow more mixed commercial and residential, so gathering places form. Right now you cannot have mixed zoning in low density areas. It prevents the creation of local pubs/shops/restaurants where everyone meets up at the end of the day. Instead as an American you need to drive a few miles to get anywhere.

Cycling is the most blue-pilled daily commute:
- keeps you fit.
- reduces stress.
- keeps your city center white.

that's true. Sup Forums is like a whorehouse's bathroom

Suburbia is a symptom, not a disease.

If the cities kept order and built housing that was affordable, more people would choose to live there.

>>blue pilled

It is a disease. look up euclidian zoning, it's directly responsible for suburbs, keeps housing expensive in the us, undermines landowners building freedom (making it all identical cuckboxes) and makes streets dead

America has become far too reliant on cars to get everywhere and now we're paying the price.

The reality as I see it is that nothing will change. With the soon-to-come technologies of self-driving cars and cars which don't rely on gasoline, car culture will explode again, but in a very different way than it did initially.

Individual transport is what made capitalism possible. The more flexible it gets the greater will be the capitalism it generates. Everyone, especially city fags, who is against cars is against evolution of mankind. We would still be cave dwelling nigger fucking Neanderthals.

Have one. Using public transport and biking/walking because driving is stressful, bad for health, and expensive. Sold the car. Window motor/pulley randomly broke and it cost $300 to fix. That was the last straw. Transit pass is 100/month. My insurance was 60/month, god knows how much the gas and repairs came to.

how do cars help capitalism?

If OP is saying the existence of cars is bad, that's stupid.

But we are too reliant on cars. They pollute and encourage urban zoning which is spread out and stops communities from forming.

>bus

Rail is superior. Buses are nothing but a larger, multi person car and are dangerous and shitty. Everyone should be able to walk to a rail stop that gets them in walking distance of where they need to go. Buses are shit.

Oh no, said the scandi autist, people within an arm's reach of me?!

>choosing to move to somewhere an hour away from work, half an hour away from other civilization despite knowing how annoying it would be
>complaining about cops waiting to catch you doing things you shouldn't be doing anyway
Poor choices were made too soon.

>projecting on op this much

Gotta agree, OP. That why I think it's important to try to live in a town that was founded prior to the advent of the automobile. The community planning is often much better, with schools, main street, and parks all within walking distance or a short drive from the surrounding homes.

Unfortunately, these towns are often expensive to live in because they are in areas such as the northeast or new england, in which property taxes, land, and all that stuff is very expensive.

Still, it makes for a better place to raise a family, then in some planned-community in a town filled with strip malls that 15 years ago was nothing but empty farm land.

NYC isn't bad except for the liberals. Very walkable, functioning subways and transit, rails in from the suburbs. They're pretty well set up.

If we built up instead of out, the city would have less footprint which means less countryside and wilderness converted to human containment zone. Less roads and subsurface parking, which means less road maintenance, less dead space, less pollution, less heat island effect. Look at Mexico City, the sprawlingest of sprawls. It's shit. Takes away the best aspect of cities--proximity to shit you want to do. Also the more dense a city is--the more up it is rather than out--the fewer roadsides and alleys and abandoned stripmalls for druggies and criminals to lurk. Fewer streets makes it easier to keep them all well lit and clean.

This

Rail is superior af, much more aestethic too

>Majestic as fuck Zeppelins probably won't return as normal transport in your lifetime

Feels bad man, they should remake one as a comfier version of a long cabin cruise, it would be glorious.

>spending twice as much to rent

Around here it isn't unusual to have a mortgage over a thousand a month, and don't forget cost of homeownership like insurance, property tax, and maintenance which are HUGE expenses. If you distribute that over a monthly basis, it drastically raises the cost. Meanwhile an apartment around here goes 900-1200/month. It's actually way cheaper.

>dangerous to walk

Heh. Oh no, the paedos around every corner! Better stay inside and gaym all day to keep safe. You're pathetic. You're surrendering your nation to an unfounded fear. I've walked everywhere, all hours of the day and night, and nothing ever happened to me. I also carry something nice in case I meet any trouble. There's really nothing to be afraid of, so stop falling for the fear mongering you nancy.

I've also lived in small, walkable towns that are small village level safe and the kids can still walk everywhere, to stores and parks and school and friends. STILL superior to suburbs.

well, don't build too tall, else you get them commieblocks. mid rises are the way to go

Exactly. Glad im not a long crazy idealist on this.

I prefer skiing to work

>blue-pilled

Uh. Colors m8. Those are all good aspects.

Cycling keeps the fats and the pollution away. Less car traffic enables foot traffic which supports local economy, so office workers walk to a cafe for lunch instead of driving to a drive through because the roads are clogged with 50 mph death machines.

Cycling is fantastic. Doesn't cost much in infrastructure/maintenance, reduces pollution and accidents, keeps everyone in shape.

An /n/azi said that the hindenburg cost, adjusted for inflation, 40 million. a 747 costs hundreds of millions. I think we might get them air cruises some day

Way more expensive though, and the government must be involved in their construction because no private company will or can tackle underground rail on their own.

Suburb is the only way to win the nuclear war

Cars have a time and a place. People in the country (actual woods and farms country where most people are farmers) need them. They're also fine for a now and then vehicle or to haul stuff (which I strongly support car sharing/uber for.) But they are retarded as an everyday commute vehicle and only encourage this "drive until you can afford it" suburban mentality that has destroyed the landscape. Where I grew up used to be all orchard and farm. Then the suburbanites came, tore it all down, and turned it into housing developments as a suburb for the city that is an hour away. It's filthy and ruins everything that was good about america. Also means less local, family farmer produced produce, which is fucking delicious compared to the water-tasting grocery store produce. No wonder people don't eat fruit and veg when that's all they have available.

Do you think a city could exist where inside the 'city circle' (like in that picture) it is illegal for any sort of motorized vehicle to drive, emergency vehicles and other special vehicles excepting? The only way I can think that would play out without being too much of a pain in the ass for the citizens would be a tram system for citizens and a separate tram system for cargo delivery.

m8 that's just the writing style, I obviously didn't opt for that. I did live in a place like that age 16-18 though and saw what it put my parents through. They were always exhausted and nerve wracked from the commute, and when I started driving I got a taste of it and noped out of there. Bumper to bumper as a daily grind...nah.

overground is good too, subway is unecessary unless it's a very dense city

some examples
>They are desired goods, and an affordable investment and therefore encourage production, but also research and development to make this product more competitive.
>They make workforce movable, thus enable better distribution of them.
>They allow people to move wherever they want to meet their needs which encourages competition of local production and services.

You think you can cancel one line in the calculation and you get the desired output. This isn't going to happen. It will have different effects than you think. Furthermore, there is no replacement for cars. The level of freedom they provide aren't met by any other mean of transport.

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your home and it location/population is the problem in that scene, dingus

>OY VEY! Having the freedom to go wherever you want at a moments notice is degenerate goy! You should have to talk to the state before you go anywhere and get their approval!

Fuck off chaim, you're not fooling anyone

Rails are so nice. And whereas a bus may go anywhere and you're subject to the busdriver's minwage skill to not kill people, a rail always runs on the same predictable track and makes predictable stops. No car-bus collisions to worry about. If you're not on the rail you don't need to worry about being hit.

rails are aesthetic. I hope in the future all personal vehicles in urban-suburban-town areas are abandoned in favor of an expanded rail network. Hop on, hop off. Comfy as fuck.

buying used cars is the only correct answer. not a single dollar of mine goes to those bank jews, and i can get whatever i want! you can also get your son a used shitbox, and it can help him learn about mechanics and how to fix up vehicles. thats how i learned

Yeah, they were ahead of their time actually.
With modern tech we can make one way better.
Create a frame with a very strong but very light aluminium alloy, replace previous wooden structure parts with stronger but lighter carbon fibre, helium instead of hydrogen in more tightly sealed gas bags, low number of passengers creates less weight and more comfort, interior decked out in classical/steampunk styling. Fuck yes.

I kinda like commieblocks and chinkblocks. The view from the 11th+ story of a tall apartment complex is pretty nice, the way you can look at all the ant-size people on the street below, and I like taking the elevator (or stairs if you want a workout.)

I cycle 5 mins to work. I live and work in an area that is 95% white. It's changing fast. The darkies will rent my investment properties.

The real degenerate thing going on is that kind of city planning.
People cut themselfs of their roots and get into autistic pseudo communities called suburbs with shit connection, nature and culture.

One wonders if that's not planned by someone

They have above ground rail as well, raised or street level. And the govt builds highways and roads already, so it's the same thing. What's your point?

>live hour outside city
>drive hour into work 3 times a week
>34mpg so about 25 bucks a week on gas
>do all maintenance on car because i'm a man
>fluid changes are about 35 bucks ever 2 or 3 months. I go through a set of summer tires every summer because immature, 400bucks
>leave house at 8am after a 5 mile run or weight work out routine so not fat.
>get home at 6pm to meal prepared by aryan stay at home mom.
>discuss day with blonde children around the table
>go outside and do stuff

To be honest, if i could do it all over again I would probably live in the city. I don't mind the 2 hours a day.. i catch up with news and think about stuff for work. But to blame the car for being fat and bored is pretty silly, the only reason you are fat and bored is because you are lazy and stupid.

The suburbs literally created the amerifat meme

I fucking hate our auto centric transportation system, save for a few cities in the northeast, the US is severely lacking in public transit

pic related

I live a minimal life.
Eat cheap curry with rice
Walk to Office
Don't use personal phone for making call. Ask colleagues for emergency.
Shit on street
Live under Flyover

> driving 1 hour to work
Kek
>40 mins to friends house
Like im gonna drive my kid to the other side of the country
>closet bar 30 mins away
Hahaha fucking americans everything is fucking far away

My point is that rails, while a nice option for transportation, are super difficult to build.
Even above ground rails are a clusterfuck, the Washington DC metro just created a new above ground line and it took forever and a lot of money and politics.

your first point on research and development is good. On the other hand, all that development are towards a bad goal, and that is a car centric society.

However your second and third point on more mobility is not true, the workforce can move just as freely on good mass transit. This in turn would be easier if cities weren't suburban sprawls, which exist widely because of cars. Besides, most of the workforce does not move because of work more than from home to work and work to home.

Listen, I'm as right wing redpilled as they come, but the reason why we get a mushroom cloud of bullshit everytime we have a transportation project is because the Koch brothers try to hate fuck it

They want to keep us on oil dependent transportation, and transit is way too fuel efficient

cars arent degenerate, you cant be truly free if you dont have a personal motor vehicle

public traffic is for cucks

I want this so much, to evict cars from city centers. With exception of a few one-lane streets for the rare disabled or emergency vehicle and delivery vans. Like pic related. Rails to and between residential zones, and inter-region rails to go to the next city over.

In many american cities you have a fucking highway that cuts right through the city, creating a barrier that can't be walked across and killing the economic function of the city. Shit needs to stop.

>the freedom to go wherever you want at a moments notice

Like...say...being able to use your feet rather than an expensive machine to get around?

>tfw live in rural wooded area near mountains with decent plot of land and a group of neighbors I'm tight as fuck with
>tfw only 30 minutes from work
>tfw I can go out back innawoods and shoot my guns any time I want
>tfw my puppers can go outside and run around freely like they were meant to

easy for you to say in a country where everyone lives a km from eachother and there are like a thousand people

This so much.
Your planning shiet would be a clear improvement to many modern cities. If people are forced to move by themselfs they would also get less fat and socialize more in such a slowed down invornment

>I don't mind the 2 hours a day.

Because my idea of fun is sitting in traffic or wondering if the cunt on the cell is going to ram me and kill me.

You have stockholm syndrome. You cannot honestly tell me you'd rather white-knuckle a steering wheel in heavy traffic at 60 mph on a 5 lane highway for two hours a day than say, chill and read a book while a rail zips you where you need to go, or be able to spend an extra 20 mins in the morning and evening chatting with your kids because daddy has a more reasonable and easy commute.

>be African
>have to walk 30 miles for a drink of water
>skeleton body build
>no cars
>dead at age of 30

Why don't you move to africa OP?

Here's the Miami transit system kek

>freedom to go wherever you want

>get in car
>30 minutes for every mile because of traffic
>fat because you never walk
>can barely walk the lenght of the parking lot
k den

Okay, but the highway and road systems didn't build themselves in a day. A rail is more difficult per foot to build, but you need a lot less of it than you do streets. And having everything more condensed saves on infrastructure ultimately because it's all the less miles of roads and streets and streetlights and drainage systems and electric grid and gas pipes and sewage piles and water reserves and pipes you have to build and maintain. The rail is like buying chicken breast instead of mcburgers. Seems to cost more but when all is said and done has saved you money and made your life better.

You don't have to shop at the same stores and eat at the same places. Literally freedom

saving your pic, bretty good

I could simply rent a car when I rarely need one. Otherwise it's more FREE to have a walkable city, because it literally costs 0 dollars to walk or bike somewhere, meanwhile a car costs money just to sit in your driveway. Being able to simply walk somewhere, or walk to a rail and ride it where you wanna go, is way more free than having to pay pay pay pay pay pay pay for cars and repairs and insurance and gas and ten other kinds of kikery. Being able to move around at little to no cost is freedom.

>get car
>need to pay $400/month on insurance on top of payments towards the ownership, repairs and gas

You would have to be a retard to buy one unless you're rich.

I've used both for driving to work for years. If you think your time is valuable you will cut on public transport except it fits perfectly your needs which is a rare exception tbpfh phamigliya

I've even experienced the last case when I lived with my gf. However, I'd not choose this option anymore. It makes you too dependent on public transport and you won't do longer trips because in comparison they became too much effort. You're giving up freedom.


Development has also negative sideeffects. Think of your shiny smartphones. Their development isn't candy either. You've suicidal workers who glue them together in China. You've miners who mine rare metals and get killed for your Ghz. You got landscapes ruined. You have to produce power for the power consumption of your internet and porn addiction etc.

very little traffic in my commute to be honest. If i lived in d.c., nyc, or la it would be different, but i'm in a smaller city so no bumper to bumper.

I would say i don't have stockholm syndrome as i have the option of working completely remotely, so somewhat willingly drive in 3 days a week.

I'm quite relaxed, doing 80mph down the highway while listening to NPR or thinking about work.

My commute plus my running/work out time is my alone time

What is rich to you? 40k a year?

>2016
>not being rich
nigger you're doing it all wrong

I have all of that 50 miles north of NYC.

You're not special, the vastness of America is mind boggling.

That's double my income right now desu

lols then LIVE BITCH!!!

>£16,000 per anua

t. NEET lyfe

>all of these jealous burgers will never live in a comfy European city and walk/cycle everywhere
>they will never know the convenience of cheap and accessible public transport

must feel bad

Hey, sounds like you are describing a city, friend, where there is an ever evolving plethora of choices for housing, neighborhood, stores, restaurants, and entertainment.

Rather than living in the suburbs with a fucking stripmall that has the same chain restaurants and big box stores as the stripmall down the other way and the other way. Drive as far as you like, you'll just reach the walmart 50 miles the other direction rather than the one in your suburban housing township.

>50 miles
still too close to the liberal city people
100 miles north master race

>rich
Lmao

I make 50k a year and pay all that easy.

Not disagreeing with the notion that our city infrastructure needs some serious work and needs to cut down on the amount of cars and roads, but its not exactly hard to have a car. fuck I knew kids back in high school who worked part time jobs and were able to get and maintain used cars.

I like being on the Metro North line, easier to get to work. I don't like driving into Manhattan. I don't like being close to Albany or Newburgh either...higher mixer rates per capita than the worst parts of the city. You DO have Dinosaur BBQ up that way though, which us nice.

>no fucking private vehicles carpeting the land
>increase space between buildings, give the town some breathing room
>building code, no grey and glass bullshit
>public tram for those who really need it
>small (ie moped size) for goods, requests can be put in to use larger vehicles if moving large heavy shit that just can't be moved otherwise (and make the system not ball crushing or asinine, we don't need dmv tier bullshit just want to keep the place looking nice)
>parks, events, etc, etc
Now how do you stop the biggest disaster of all; Too Many Fucking People?

Cars post 2004 are degenerate
The suburbs are a way for whites to escape from shitskins

no, £14k @ £6.70 an hour :/

>Cars are degenerate because I can't drive.
t. The Alt-Right

Fuck off Nazi scum.

I don't understand what your argument is