The connation between French and Franks is well established yet it is common to hear bullshit like : "the Franks were a Germanic tribe" or "Clovis and Charlemagne were Germans", or the "Lex Salica(French Law) is a Germanic code", and so on
In the same way the connection between Veneti/Wends/Vandals and Polish is well-established as well (infact in Old French Vandals are called Wends) yet we hear often Germanic claiming Vandals as their.
Still in the same way it is common to hear that "Germans went to war against the Romans during the Cimbrian War" while in fact these are Danes.
My question is why are Germans such LARPers, i mean they are a made up of several ethnicities like Franconians, Saxons, Thuringians, Bavarians, Alemanians, Frisians and can claim the accomplishment of several people, THUS, why do they need to steal the accomplishmments of other people ?
¨PS : Same goes for the Lombards in Italy, and the Swabians in Galicia, or the Goths in Spain.
Christopher Gonzalez
France didn't exist at that time, retard.
Charles Rodriguez
>France didn't exist at that time, retard. Here is a free course of latin for you retard
France is the primarly attested during the third century when it was named in the Panegyrici Latini
Tyler Wood
By the way why are you talking about France ?
Ryan Reyes
>i mean they are a made up of several ethnicities like Franconians I wonder who the Franconians could be the descendants of... Hmmmm... Perhaps the Franks?
Henry Powell
Modern French people are just Mediterraneans(specifically Italians) in denial
Thomas Price
Franconians are called Francones in Latin, while Clovis (in latin) is a Francus and he was Rex Francorum same goes for Charlemagne
If Charlemagne or Clovis were related to them they would have been called Franconus and Rex Franconorum
>Modern French people are just Mediterraneans
And so were Franks, Nigel
John Murphy
Reminder that Charlemagne was an ethnic Celto-Brython
John Sanchez
>since the children and grandchildren of Charlemagne are depicted with brown hair and eyes, they must be French. Charlemagne himself had fair hair and light eyes, so I guess that confirms he was Germanic :^)
Logan Green
>Charlemagne himself had fair hair and light eyes
Nope
Charlemagne has canities hair which mean grey from old age, and there is no preicsion of his eye color as far as i know
Nice try tho
Jordan Campbell
Here he is depicted with blue eyes, which is apparently all the evidence we need to draw a conclusion on his ethnicity.
Dylan Allen
ITT dumb FN voters
Matthew Harris
Silence, commie shitskin.
Aiden Johnson
A real idiot, like I said.
Isaac Brown
>"In Vita Karoli his biographer and former courtier Einhard describes the looks of Charlemagne in detail. Charlemagne was a large man, with light coloured hair ..."
Jaxon Hughes
>late depiction
Nope
My depictions are all contemporary depictions taken from the Carolingian Illuminations while yours is a later depiction with no solid basis
Jose Robinson
>In the same way the connection between Veneti/Wends/Vandals and Polish is well-established as well (infact in Old French Vandals are called Wends) yet we hear often Germanic claiming Vandals as their. They became indistinguishable with Venedi and Zarubintsy people, mostly because they lived together for a very long time and exchanged culture, women etc etc. Besides. Their origin is pretty much the same as they carried R1a, just like rest of the Corded Ware people. So it was more like a meeting of two groups and ex-changing what they learned along the way instead of a conquest.
Jordan Butler
kys ys
Liam Richardson
As usual you're lying
Once again the term is canities
Angel Price
t. jealous Romano-Celt who got cucked by Celto-Germanics
Carson Perez
Here is a GENUINE depiction of the Franks of the tho
>So it was more like a meeting of two groups and ex-changing what they learned along the way instead of a conquest.
If they both already belonged to R1a when they met, it can be said that they belonged to the same Meta-Ethnicity at least, am i wrong ?
Hudson Sullivan
did you get triggered on /his/?
Mason Harris
Vandals spoke an east germanic language tho, and probably came from vendel in sweden or vendsyssel in denmark
Joshua Johnson
I was indeed triggered by repeated lies on /his/ but i easily BTFO'd them, the instant they brought genetics, it is pretty easy that to prove that our ancestors weren't Germanic when they looked like pic related
Anyway, the only thing that g*rms can do is to create Nordic looking Franks on Crusader Kings 2 to prove that we aren't the same people
Zachary Reed
>If they both already belonged to R1a when they met, it can be said that they belonged to the same Meta-Ethnicity at least, am i wrong ? Culture matters a lot. They evolved in much different environment, even though they had the same origin.
But at the time of raids on Rome they've became one people.
Jack Young
>Vandals spoke an east germanic language tho No one denies that though. Vandals quickly became a confederation.
And Goths are much trickier subject, because them coming from Gotland is a nice romanticized story, but many people argue that they might have become a thing known for all of us during their stay close to Vistula, when they already started to mix and assimilate the natives.
Germanic either way, not much in common with modern widely-known Germans though. More with Scandis, West Slavs(those in East Germany too) and Scots if anything.
Noah Jackson
English are Britons that speak a Germanic language Turks are Anatolians that speak a Turkic language South and Central Germans are Celts that speak a Germanic language East Germans are Slavs that speak a Germanic language
Race was never equal to language
Zachary Thomas
This was meant for you
Samuel Young
I like Frenchmen when they go full snowflake than when they claim they are Germanic, good job.
Colton Richardson
You're misuserstanding my goal, my goal isn't to prove that we're Germanic, we're obviously not but to prove that our ancestors weren't Germanic which is pretty easy since all Germanic are according to Tacitus :
>4. For my own part, I agree with those who think that the tribes of Germany are free from all taint of intermarriages with foreign nations, and that they appear as a distinct, UNMIXED RACE, like none but themselves. Hence, too, the same physical peculiarities throughout so vast a population. All have FIERCE BLUE EYES, RED HAIR, HUGE FRAMES, fit only for a sudden exertion. They are less able to bear laborious work. Heat and thirst they cannot in the least endure; to cold and hunger their climate and their soil inure them. While the Franks are less tall than the Norrthmen, and are brown and dark haired.
Grayson Harris
>"the Franks were a Germanic tribe"
Eh, they were, Pierre.
>"yet we hear often Germanic claiming Vandals as their. "
And they were, Pierre.
But ofc with most germanic tribes it all depends on when and where.
The Franks of the III century were pure germanics living in the holy jungle. The Franks of the IV century had been offered by the Romans to jump the wall and dwell this side of the wall, with the local lads and ladettes, on condition of watching out that wall and keep other germanics out. The French franks of the IX century were as "germanic" as Pedro DeVar Ibn-Hashim Wang Tao, from Tuscaloosa, USA is "white american".
Same with the Vandals, originally. Then they split, separate, confederate, slurped some Hunnic semen, took a tour all over Yurop and North Africa accepting all kind of bandwagoners in... so it's all about when and where.
Mason Watson
>Eh, they were, Pierre.
Nope
They were Pannonian Celts as proved by their black/brown hair
Germanic are red haired as Tacitus said
>Same with the Vandals, originally. Then they split, separate, confederate, slurped some Hunnic semen, took a tour all over Yurop and North Africa accepting all kind of bandwagoners in... so it's all about when and where.
Nice cuck fantazy but such thing never happened and it is the huns that took our dick