The GOAT

Any doubt?

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>inb4 Pippenbabby and Rodmanbabby

Ewing was better

that's not Robert Horry

Kareem and Wilt were both better. Don't fall for the nike hype

Horry isn't even top 10

Has more rings

Is Bill Russel the GOAT then?

who

>jackson babby
>pippenbabby
>Rodmanbabby

Yup

he unironically might be

>not having a ring for each finger on both hands
that's so cute

>Tfw there are kids who actually believe that Russel was better than Wilt

>being 10 inches taller and 10 shades darker than anyone in the league

>not gitting gud
smhtbqhwyfam

>won against aids magic on his last legs
>won agains drexler (lol)
>won against barkley feat dan fucking majerle (lol)
>evaded hakeem
>evaded hakeem
>got BTFO by shaq and penny (LOL)
>won against payton and kemp
>won against stockton malone and ostertag
>won against stockton malone and brought name bryon to the spotlight

also

>got btfo by pistons THREE times in a row
>pippen alone showed no drop in bulls's win average while jordan was failing at baseball but got refballed against the knicks
>won all of his titles in the nineties, the weakest SG era in last 30 years

duncan, lebron, hakeem and shaq, all better.

didnt the bulls sweep the magic when they met in the playoffs

that was when they got rodman, next year

If anyone is a child, it's those who believe Wilt was better than Russell.
>m-m-muh stats

>Did the same dunks for 3 straight contests and didnt win until it was in his home town
>Couldn't get past the Pistons until Stern broke up the league
>Couldn't become a dynasty until Magic got AIDS and Bird broke his back
>Couldn't compete with Ewing and a bunch of CBA players so he had his agent make Xavier McDaniels sign with Boston
>Couldn't compete with Ewing and a bunch of CBA players so he had his coach send out JoJo English to get everyone suspended in a brawl
>Couldn't beat a Monstars team with Shawn Bradley and Muggsy Bogues without taking PEDs
>Couldn't 4Peat against a watered down league of nobodies because he'd rather get his father killed by gambling
>Got dunked on by a grocery store bag boy
>Ugly sneakers
>Wears sport jackets with ripped jeans and thinks it's high fashion
>Tried to dunk on a solo breakaway on Christmas in front of a national audience in the mecca of sports and rimmed it all the way back to mid court
>Needed phantom calls all year to maintain his scoring average during all those games shooting 5-25 from the field.
>The League tried moving in the 3pt line for him, it didn't work.
>The league removed hand checking because Derrick Harper was giving him problems
>Needed the greatest rebounder of all time, the greatest 3 pt shooter of all time, and the Lebron James of his era to get a second 3peat
>Bald
>Pushed off to beat the lowly Jazz
>Struggled to beat Charles Barkley and a bunch of nobodies in Phoenix
>Got outplayed by everyone on the Dream Team including Magic with AIDS, Broken Bird, and Barkley

>Won against Drexlar

Why do people short change those Blazer teams? They made it to 2 NBA finals. Unfortunately they ran into the Bad Boy Pistons and Jordan's Bulls, two of the best teams in league history.

Wtf I hate Jordan now

>evaded Hakeem

You mean the same guy that took 7 games to beat the Knicks? The same team that needed 7 games to beat the Bulls without Jordan? Hakeem would have zero titles if Jordan didn't retire.

>bbbut Jordan had a good team

It's almost as if basketball is a team sport!

People keep forgetting their first 3peat team. With Pippen who was just starting to develop and their third best player was Horace Grant.
Grant was a solid player, sure as fuck not a Hall of Fame caliber player. In Jordan's 14 year career be played with 2 Hall of Fame caliber guys in Pippen and Rodman (for 3 years only).
LeBron meanwhile has played with ...
>Wade
lock Hall of Fame.
>Bosh
Hall of Fame
>Ray Allen
Hall of Fame
>Shaq
Was old but so was Rodman when Jordan played with him.

>Irving
Is on his way if his play keeps up like this.

So what is this bullshit that Lebron never played with anyone? Be has played with more talent than Jordan over the same amount of years.

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tl;dw
Jordan's unquestioned 'GOATness' was the result of a marketing ploy, all arguments otherwise are arbitrary and the goal posts are constantly moved to make him look like he's the best.

nigger they had drexler, porter and cliff robinson. it was a weak era. only two good teams of the nineties are hakeem and drexler's rockets and bulls trio.

i mean you literally had dominant teams like utah jazz with two hall of famers, hornacek and a literal D-league level roster around them.

nigger did you ever watch rodman play for the bulls

did you fucking compare bulls rodman, who could clamp down prime shaq to cleveland shaq?

Rodman was 36 when he joined the Bulls. Still solid, but that wasn't prime Rodman.

>i mean you literally had dominant teams like utah jazz with two hall of famers, hornacek and a literal D-league level roster around them.
And if you look at Stockton's stats, you would wonder why the fuck he was even considered a HOFer. He just passed to ball the Malone in the post and took a nap.

Nigger did you forget MJ took a team consisting of Pip and 10 bums and fucking WAXED Magic's Lakers 7 YEARS before Rodman was a Bull?

Amazing how he beat so many 50 win teams when there was no talent in the 90's. Knicks, Pacers, Cavs and the young Hornets were all teams the Bulls went through every year. Meanwhile Lebron made it to 7 finals in a row beating no one.
The league is weaker Now, because there is literally only 2 teams that are legit. Thanks to this new super team trend, shit will probably be like this for several more years.

>top 3 in assist
>top 3 in steals
>put up 17 points per game


How wasn't he a Hall of fame tier player? He was better than Steve fucking Nash, a 2 time mvp and future HOF player.

>Amazing how he beat so many 50 win teams when there was no talent in the 90's. Knicks, Pacers, Cavs and the young Hornets were all teams the Bulls went through every year.
It's called expansion, ya moron.

The Heat, The Magic, Twolves, the Raptors, etc had no business being in the league and they still dont. The league might actually be interesting if they contract 8-12 teams.

>being this retarded

And today you have tanking. You do know the top 4 worst teams in NBA history have all occurred within the past 8 years. Those expansion teams were better than the 76ers, Bobcats, Lakers etc over the past few years. And how did expansion teams effect who Jordan best in the fucking playoffs?

80% of those assists were to Malone and he did all the work.
Steals, yay, game changing stat, right there!
17 points a game? Like I said, why is he in the Hall of Fame again?

and being better than another overrated piece of garbage doesnt mean a thing. Players dont go in because of the transitive property. Nash won an MVP as a team award because they went from garbage to a high seed. That's on the idiot voters. MVP has always been a joke in the NBA.

that knicks team was only good because the rules allowed extremely physical play, they had enforcers and nothing else + ewing is the fakest HOFer.

league is not weaker now, but you have a legit superteam and lebron vehicle stomping the competition.

i assume you never watched stockton play. he would eat chris paul alive.

yes he was, bulls rodman was better than pistons rodman. he was the mvp against seattle and stopped malone in both finals.

>magic's lakers

that lakers team had divac as their second best player, magic was on his last legs, just horribad team overall.

as i said, it was a weak, weak league after bird's back got shot up until hakeem's rockets showed up.

>And how did expansion teams effect who Jordan best in the fucking playoffs?
It doesn't you pinhead. Some one is questioning how talentless teams can have 50 wins, when all they needed was one good player, a decent sidekick, and a bunch of journeyman who lacked basic coordination. The answer - all those damn expansion on top of the already bad teams that already existed like the Mavs, the Kings, the Nuggets, etc.

the league knew this, which is why the first round was only 5 games because it was such a waste of time.

90-91 Magic was only 31, went for 20 and 12 and was second in MVP voting. Lakers won 58 games and went 11-3 to get to the Finals. They were anything but bad.

If you weren't an underage faggot you would remember literally no one was picking the Bulls in that series.

>They were anything but bad.
Yeah, not bad for a team who's best player had a fucking deadly virus that ended his career.

>magic's last year
>worthy's corpse's last year

>jordan is the mvp
>bulls have best record in the league
>blowout much stronger east teams on their way to the finals

but entertain me and tell me who (except yourself) picked lakers as favourites there

There was never any doubt.

The debate is merely for who is #2 (Kobr).

LeBron is still top 5.

>magic last year with aids
>oldtime lakers
>no based kareem

Fuck right off

But we are ignoring Lebron beating up on the Bobcats, 6ers, Knicks etc for the past decade? Teams that were worst than those 90 expansion teams.

Kareem was shit his final year with the Lakers. Plus he was like 42 years old. Did you think he would have helped against Jordan's Bulls?

B-but he had hofer Luc Longley and BJ Armstrong.

>Bryron Scott was in his last leg.
>Worthy was on his last leg.
>Magic had an incurable disease and had to carry the team....Rodman and Pippen manhandled him.
>Sam Perkins was the 2nd best option.

It was a legit passing of the guard. Slow, half court ball team that was designed to play against the Pistons vs. an upstart physical, fast, athletic team that had more in the tank.

Bulls were vegas dogs and virtually all national media had the Lakers. The narrative at that point was still that Jordan was a ballhog and not a winner and they would not be able to overcome Magic's team-first playmaking.

How come no one ever mentions the facts that Jordan used to literally beat the shit out of his own teammates in the locker room, because he knew no one could touch him because he was "the franchise".

Speaking of "the franchise", the whole idea of one player being bigger than the team and bigger than game was created by Stern and Jordan and David Falk.
And why do people still pretend that Jordan "decided" to go play baseball, when we all know he was suspended over his gambling addiction?
Speaking of gambling and organized crime and Michael Jordan and refusing to pay his debts to organized crime gangs, whatever happened to Jordan's father?

designed to play the pistons?

I'm not comparing eras. Im just saying Jordan's era was absolute dog shit.

This team was a top threat to win the West ever year - >>basketball-reference.com/teams/SEA/1996.html

Gary "I can't score over 20, but I can play D, somewhat" Payton and a guy who could dunk. That was a beast team during Jordan's "dominance"

Yes I'm aware of how it played out. At the time the general consensus was that Jordan was not capable of leading a team over the top.

Remember this was the team MJ willed to greatness. People had not fully bought in on Jordan at that point.

>Rodman

He wasn't on the Bulls then. He didn't join the Bulls until 7 years later. Amazing how people think Jordan played with Rodman his entire career.

Lakers vs. Pistons was the previous year's final.

I think I mistakenly stated that Rodman was on the Bulls....he was still with the bad boys back then, my bad.

You two should hook up IRL.

There was never doubt

Lelbron BTFO

>whatever happened to Jordan's father?

>Jordan owed a huge debt
>Gamblers approached him to throw the finals to square the debt
>Would rather win and let his father die.
>Body was identified by dental records.

Prime Kemp was the 3rd best PF in the NBA behind Barkley and Malone. And Payton averaged 20 per game most of his career and was a lock down defender. The fuck are you talking about?

Go to bed LaBrawn

Yes, he locked down all those expansion roster players. Couldn't do it when it mattered. Saying Kemp was the 3rd best PF is only proving my point with how bad the league was.

>76271989
>this was the team MJ willed to greatness

>willed

>
>Jordan used to literally beat the shit out of his own teammates in the locker room

>I'm from Cleveland:the post

I wish I was this much of a millenials.

I'm sorry you were dumb enough to believe what ESPN and the announcers told you. Here's another red pill. Reggie Miller was garbage too.

Is this guy autistic? He thought Rodman was on the Bulls in '91? You are fucking retarded.

Clearly you think hall of fame is only reserved for superstars.

>babby

you have to go back, seriously - go back

>How come no one ever mentions the facts that Jordan used to literally beat the shit out of his own teammates in the locker room, because he knew no one could touch him because he was "the franchise".

Because not everyone is a beta-faggot like you and Kwame Brown. If you can't handle the drill - get the fuck out. Robert Parish and Steve Kerr fought back and MJ respected them for that. You'd probably cry like a little bitch you are.

Depends on what your criteria is.

If you're talking most dominant in their era, then yeah he is. He shut down the greatest scorer in NBA history, Wilt, in his prime and has the most rings.

If you're talking best physically, LeBron is probably the best. He's just really weak mentally, especially early in his career.

Best overall is still MJ

Unironically this. Anyone who's actually played sports (.0001% of spuhhh) know you fight all the fucking time w your team mates. It's a bunch of alphas trying to make their mark not a goddamn drum circle.

no you don't

everyone hated me and tried to hurt me in scrimmages but my teammates never fought each other

Jordan > Kareem > Kobe > Wilt > Shaq > Durant > Lebron

Faker fans are literally the worst.

Never, I used to really like lebron cause he played for my favorite team (Miami Heat) but crying over some bullshit on his fence that he probably hired someone to spray on it made me lose all respect for him entirely. The GOAT should never give a fuck

>I rate Kareem despite never watching a single game of his

>6 expansion teams added during Jordans prime
>obviously little population growth in that time
>international players still a meme

Really hard to get it through 30 something's that the 90s was the most diluted era of basketball in modern history

You're missing Hakeem, millennial scumbag.

>Any doubt?

The funny thing is, I'm a 30 something, and I'm not advocating for LeBron. I just KNOW Jordan is an overrated scumbag. He would have been another Dr. J if he played only 10 years earlier before the league became a total joke, which it still is today. I'm not taking any numbers seriously until their is major contraction.

Forget Bill Russell vs. Wilt. The dream banished Ewing, David Robinson and Alonzo Mourning to the shadow realm every time they played.

Undersized Hakeem faking it at the 5 spot was outplayed by actual centers. Sam Cassell carried the Rockets to their rings, not Hakeem.

and the GOAT Big Shot Horry.

This, too. Those Rockets teams were extremely good, even if people forget them because they weren't "superstars" by today's manufactured standards.

scumbag yeah, overrated no

Stephen A Smith is the product of the Lebron delusion. His excuses have caused the narrative to reach critical mass. Even this current Cavs team is built solid by any standards.

But instead of facing the facts, the narrative is attempting to be shifted to the fact Durant joined the Warriors. Warriors only had 1 pure scorer, Cavs been having 2 pure scorers. But the king excuse maker for 'the king' is trying to get people to avoid the fact that despite how good James is, despite he has a great team behind him, the Warriors just play better ball.

>the Warriors just play better ball.
atm you could put just about anyone in their system and they'll shine right now

He shut Wilt down? No, Wilt still had amazing stats and far better than Russell in matchups. Russell had a super team.

Hakeem was a humble african prince, he'd be the most popular player in the NBA in 2017

Allen and especially Shaq are bullshit to put here. You are reaching like a motherfucker with that shit. Love deserves to be named over them by a mile.

>le there were no other dominant players meme
>pushing the jordan is goat meme when he only beat the corpses of bird, magic, and isiah

>when we all know he was suspended over his gambling addiction?
LMAOOOO bill simmons pls

>nickname is literally ''the glove''
>"Eeeeeh I don't think he was good at defense xD"

with shaq you have a point

allen was a legit specialist at that point though

>muh stats
russel won almost every time, fuck off westbrooktard

what a retarded ass point, did he play with those guys at the same time?

are you stupid or what?

>ray allen
>shaq
lmao ok your stupid nevermind

>'hit threes in limited minutes' specialist, woah
he was a fuckin role player, listing him in that and with hall of famer attached is dishonest as fuck, that lucky three that every lebron hater uses is in a game where he didn't do shit the rest of it, which was common with him even the tail end of the celtics.

He didn't shut him down clown

>russel won almost every time
Yea, like I said his team was stacked, way better than Wilt's. Wilt vs Bill is the exact proof that team always Trumps best player.

Ray Allen saved my shitty team in the finals and Lebron's "legacy"

>t. joy
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