Who was in the wrong here?

who was in the wrong here?

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I miss them both.

Buckley was a neocon faggot so I automatically say him

Look at that smile, Buckley was such a cheeky little bastard. I wish I could have heard his thoughts on 2016.

Buckley lost his cool, so him.

To be fair though, Vidal was being a queer

tfw buckely succesfully sued Vidal and Vanity Fair

>not once
>but twice

Get fukt

>leftist calls conservative literally hitler
>conservative calls leftist a degenerate

wow literally nothing has changed except how nicely they dress the words up.

Buckley wasn't a neocon you moron. Was Goldwater a neocon? Was Reagan a neocon? Jesus Christ you Sup Forums guys are stupid.

They played it up like Buckley lost so I'm gonna say he was right.

>lel, I'm gonna call a WWII vet a Nazi.

Gore was a faggot.

always william f buckley

>He served stateside throughout the war at Fort Benning, Georgia; Fort Gordon, Georgia; and Fort Sam Houston, Texas
What a hero.

Sup Forums has no idea what a neocon is. They just think it means a new age conservative.

>WWII vet

Never leaving the states counts as a war vet now.

He was 19 when the war ended and went through OCS. He had no chance to fight. The point is he volunteered to fight Hitler.

Epic debate

youtube.com/watch?v=ZY_nq4tfi24&t=10m44s

And it what way does that make him a WW2 vet? Just admit you were wrong and move the fuck on.

So what? He didn't actually fight them

I like the one where Chompsky humiliated buckly better

>Buckley wasn't a neocon you moron

He was butt buddies with Irving Kristol

>Reagan a neocon

his entire administration was full of neocons

Reagan himself had too much Alzheimers to be much of anything.

This.
Buckley wasn't a Neocon but he wasn't a Paleocon either. He helped usher in the Neocon era through his support for American interventionism abroad. He was still much, much better than modern day Neocons who are off the wall.
This.

OP, Vidal won. His wit and verbal intellect were too much. Even for Buckley who was very clever.

Buckley helped create the conditions for the modern NRO/neocon establishment

he's absolute scum his legacy is essentially the Bush family and everything they stand for

clearly vidal

I found it ridiculous how the documentary portrayed it. Gore is sitting there calling him a nazi and all kinds of shit for like 4 days straight then he finally slings it back and calls him a queer and everyone's clutching their pearls. I wouldn't have lasted one day without socking that queer in his goddamn face

Buckley hated the Bushes tho

>I wish I could have heard his thoughts on 2016.
He probably would have mentioned something along the lines of Democratic party is now under the heel of Feminism/Social Justice.
He probably would have made fun of sjw's and TV shows hosts like Lecurrentyear man.

Which is ironic since he ultimately created the neocon/GOP establishment that haunts us to this day thanks to his destruction and purging of the paleocons.

I'm not sure he'd get behind Trump, but he would despite the modern left. He'd probably be close to Ben Shapiro.

That interview is pure gold.

Vidal was a degenerate retard who's influence caused the shitty SJW culture of today. Buckley ftw.

Funny enough, these two men who helped shape the modern left and right, Vidal and Buckley, were born only a month and 50 miles apart. Perhaps fittingly Buckley the Conservative died only 50 miles from his birthplace in Connecticut in 2008, and Vidal the leftist died four years later on the opposite side of the country in Hollywood Hills just four years later.

Noam Chomsky may be the only man to have ever been more annoying than Gore Vidal

Gore Vidal was a literal faggot so I say him.

>people in this thread think Vidal won the debate

What's going on in this thread?

>Gore Vidall
>A guy whose major claim to fame is writing a novel where a literal tranny seduces straight men, propositions them for sex, ties them up, reveals he's a man and then rapes them up the ass with a giant purple dildo to teach them "tolerance"

Yeah, guess which one of them I'm going to side with?

This. Calling someone a nazi and claiming the victory because of it is the same as the modern left calling someone an islamophobe and claiming the victory.

Buckley's declawing of Conservatism in the 20th Century is pretty much the exact reason why it's been teetering on the edge of irrelevance for the last few decades.

If it wasn't for a populist like Trump coming along and abusing the Sailer strategy, it would have literally been impossible for Republicans to ever win an election again due to demographics without pivoting so hard to the left that they may as well be a new party.

Fuck Buckley, hope he burns in hell with all his Zionist butt buddies

>It's a Buckley purges anyone that his Jew friends tells him to purge episode

>Conservatism
>teetering on the edge of irrelevance for the last few decades

Is that why we keep putting Presidents in the Whitehouse and dominating the government?

Do you honestly think in 10 years society will be one big happy mishmash of feminist flesh-blimps, fundamentalist muslims, trannies and disabled people all dancing and singing together in perfect peace?

>Buckley's declawing of Conservatism in the 20th Century is pretty much the exact reason why it's been teetering on the edge of irrelevance for the last few decades.
Nigga without Buckley "Conservatism in the 20th Century" would only be a chapter in a history book. He WAS the conservative movement.

>pester someone and call them names for a solid hour
>he finally fires-back and calls you a queer
>"OMG SO HOMOPHOBIC, WHY SO SO MAD BRO??? CAN'T YOU HANDLE THE BANTER??? :^)"

Vidall was both a faggot and a typical leftist:
Able to dish it out, but completely shatters when expected to take it.

vidal was just another cocky talentless faggot who contributed nothing to culture except to give boners to numales and liberals, and will be utterly forgotten in a few decades

>I learned everything I know about American History from browsing Sup Forums: The Post

>i took a college history class once

>starts talking shit about George Lincoln Rockwell at the end

and dropped

Buckley himself said that he was disappointed in himself for becoming angry as that was not his way of doing discussion. Buckley always wanted to try and tease out people's ideas which is why Firing Line was such an interesting show.

Who do I think was in the right during their particular interview? I think they both had some valid concerns.

Buckley was certainly right about the violent and revolutionary nature of many left wing movements during that time and it is definitely true that freedom of association is no absolute when in such a place where it can disrupt other people's rights. It is also true that having these protests heavily policed was essential.

Vidal was right in stating that the police had often gone too far in policing and that police brutality of peaceful citizens and reporters had occured. That being said, he was willfully naive of the nature of the protests. There were many who needed to be put down and controlled. Furthermore, Vidal apologises for a lot of the very real violent revolutionary aspect of these movements. He also appears to apologise for the fact that many within these protests were indeed calling for the murder of American soldiers.

Buckley didn't do shit, unless your idea of "conservatism" is being the token contrarian on the Beltway cocktail circuit

yup, conservatives stuck a knife in Rockwell's back even after he tried to soften his image and appeal to them.

No, it'll be like all other "multicultural" non-western countries with a fight between liberal socialists and third-worldist marxists. Just look at demographics. Only Whites, and even then only particular types of Whites, appreciate free market/constitution/freedom of association/free speech etc. Libertarianism in particular is a very anglo value. Even people as close to them as the French never valued it the same, let alone Africans or Mestizos.

He effectively killed any other form of conservatism in the main stream other than muh respectable, principled neoconservatism. Free markets are great and whatever, but it doesn't matter when you're being displaced in your own country and the movement that's supposed to care for you would rather send more money off to our greatest ally in the middle east.

>I learned everything about American history from my freshman college course

If you ever want to learn the kind of piece of shit William F. Buckley is, watch him debating Noam Chomsky. He's just generic human filth.

He's just a stupid cunt.

youtube.com/watch?v=VYlMEVTa-PI

bet your mom would still suck on him then fuck him

National Review still exists. Young Americans for Freedom, and existing affiliates, are still pretty influential parts of university life in the US. It's true to say he didn't do anything 'real' in terms of changing the country as a whole, but he wasn't a politician. He was part of the cultural fabric of America during the time. His influence on what it meant to be a conservative has significantly shaped and moulded what it means to be a conservative in the US. What he managed to do in the most bizarre feat of political philosophy was to reconcile traditional British Burkean conservatism with the inherent liberalism of the United States. This set the basic Anglo-American conservative turn in many ways and predates this movement towards the New Right which was influenced by neoliberalism but retained a conservative backdrop to itself.

So you hate Buckley for kicking out the racists?

you're just one of those genetic mistakes most people try to look away from. You're no ones child.

>muh vietnam
>america is the real terrorist!

>National Review still exists
And is as relevant and trusted as it deserves to be

I hate him for prioritizing "respectability" and "principals" rather than conserving traditional America and it's values.

>National Review still exists

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But seriously, at the end of the day Buckley achieved fuck all for genuine conservatism. He was just a star-struck drunken Irish fuck that was far more concerned about securing the approval of liberal intellectuals than he ever was about fostering conservatism. Which was so clearly expressed in the multiple purgings of anyone that his Jew neo-cohen friends told him to purge

Again, what was he conserving?

Aw, did he dare to say Communism wasn't the one true god and hurt your feelings?

They're riding the lightning while the republic collapses in front of them because of their childish ideals.

Nom kicked both their asses.

I "hate" Buckley for purging anyone that didn't toe the
>free markets
>Israel
>abortions

line.

If he sounds like the most logical person to you, you're going to have to live with yourself and so will anyone who chooses to be around you. Look around you.

>He was right the whole time

vidal managed to be surprisingly right about absolutely everything in this life

It is highly relevant among more intellectual conservatives. It's not relevant among the general populace and is unlikely to ever be. It's influential across the Conservative students.

His views on modern conservatism were that it wasn't true conservatism and he turned into a bit of reactionary. I don't think the criticism that Buckley was willing to go with the flow of where conservatism was going holds up with his clearly stated views on this issue. His views were certainly not in line with any liberal thinkers during the time except perhaps on drug legalisation and his support for the local candidate Lowenstein who was a liberal democrat on the grounds that he was good man. I don't know what views you think make him.

The second point I think just marks you out as Sup Forums racist as you appear to eluding to the classic Jewish conspiracy theory. However, Buckley was not a Neocon and he lived long enough to oppose the modern foreign adventure to Iraq.

No one listens to Gore VIdal or Salman Rushdie. Humanity is full of the dumbest fucking creatures on the planet. They're dumb tribal reactionary people that need to be frog marched into a gas chamber, but won't be because the people that should gas these morons, won't on ethical issues. This is the reason humanity will always suffer.

niggerfucker

See, this person would be better as agricultural nutrients rather than being alive. You all see it.

>this is how Leftists actually think

vanguardnewsnetwork.com/v1/2004b/SobranHowIWasFired.htm

I hate linking to a WN site, but Buckley felt no compunctions over purging people he'd known for decades for the favour of a handful of Jewish parvenus who only joined the Republicans because they weren't going to hand Israel over to the Arabs as easily as the Democrats seemed on the verge of doing.

Again, what were the long-term achievements for conservatism of the Jewish neo-cons that Buckley protected? More Middle Eastern chaos?

>It is highly relevant among more intellectual conservatives
How are these people relevant now at all? They actively tried to prevent a Republican presidential candidate from winning against Hillary Clinton, arguably the arch-nemesis of even mainstream "respectability" conservatism for the last 20 years. Some even had the gall to throw their lot in with Clinton.

And yet Trump STILL won, even having to fight against the people that ostensibly should be on his side. Now their likes are getting barred from entering his team. These people are done. Finished.

>It's influential across the Conservative students
These are the kids that are just going to grow up into the irrelevant individuals mentioned above. If you want an insight into a real Conservative youth movement that is growing at a monumental rate, may I suggest googling some hate symbol frogs.

name a single thing vidal got wrong

Don't engage these less thans.

>it's a /pol and /lgbt/ pretend they aren't secretly gay for each other episode

just stop. You sound like you haven't broached 20 years of age. It gives me a headache reading your infantile crap.

This was a nice thread before Sup Forums and /lit/ showed up.

>/lit/
/lgbt/

/lit/'s a bunch of commits but they're not this bad. These faggots are either also from Sup Forums or some other board I never visit because I'm not a degenerate.

>will be utterly forgotten in a few decades
that's a pretty high bar for anyone man, if the same isn't true for buckley it'll be only because you can enumerate on my dick the number of rightwing intellectuals

that's not to say being some lofty intellegentsia is a desirable thing, it's just how it is

okay now this is /lit/, i can tell