I always wondered how did Castilla become the dominant region of Spain while nobody lived and still nobody lives here except Madrid which is huge, but in the past when Castilla became the dominant region of Spain Madrid didn't exist.
In my opinion the Kingdom of Aragon had more chance to become the dominant region of Spain because it had more people and wasn't landlocked.
Their Moorish masters naturally preferred a desert for the capital.
Anthony Torres
>alicante-murcia
i guess if there is a correlation with furries
Christopher Moore
probably this, stronger reign gets to dominate the smaller one.
Jace King
There was a mass exodus from the rural parts of the country to the cities, I suppose Castille was more populated back there. It's impossibru to find someone from Madrid whose grandparents don't come from another part of the country.
Ian Scott
Please, you have nothing to say about settle cities in the desert, because you set up big cities in a litteral desert such as Las Vegas and Phoenix.
Gabriel Howard
Castilla had the south, that was very rich and populated, very centralized government, almost an absolute monarchy (unlike Aragon) , very important centers of culture like Toledo, and a great propagation of the language thanks to the universities.
Isaiah Flores
Good thread.
A combination of a couple of good treaties and foreign relations pacts with some military victories is your answer.
Also
Mason Hill
Castile got the juicy stuff like Cordoba and the kingdom of Seville.
Tyler Myers
I didn't know Murcia was so rebel against the castilians. Interesting.
Chase Butler
In medieval times castille have around 70% of spain population, thats all.
Aiden Rogers
>In medieval times castille have around 70% of spain population, thats all. Source Why did that change like that?
Blake Johnson
He's talking about the Crown of Castille, which includes a bunch of other stuff. Pay attention only to the Iberian Peninsula on this pic.
Jason Butler
Shit, wrong pic.
Ian Williams
had*
Jace Morris
Yes, but that was after the conquests of Galicia, Asturies, Basque Country, Extremadura, Andalusia... Proper Castilla probably didn't have more than 15% of the population of Spain.
Josiah Baker
>castilla had the south All castilla needed was burgos and toledo to slay moors night and day and any faggots who oppose our political rule.
Adam Butler
Nah m8 it was way more than 15%. Also Basque Country is not Crown of Castille. Also most of those weren't conquered but inherited. They just had to counter some rebellions.
Ryan Morris
Galiciq was part of castile in 740ad.
Hudson Gray
Castile in the midle age was amazing. The civil war against Carlos V (revolt of the comuneros) destroy them politically. Then you have the centralization of the power in Madrid, the people who traveled to las Americas and the rural exodus in the XIX century. Spain killed Castile t b h.
James Clark
>the people who traveled to las Americas Why does this trigger me so much
Blake Johnson
The fuck are you talking about. Castile was only a county of Leon. It's not until the death of Fernando I that Castile got some importance, because he divided the kingdom among his children, only to later be united again with Leon under the empire of Alfonso VI
Oliver Anderson
*part of Leon
Samuel Kelly
Literally says right there in your pic that Castille was just a County and Leon was the Kingdom.
Lincoln Foster
>the people who traveled to las Americas and the rural exodus in the XIX century. It touched all the regions of Spain, not only Castilla.
Mason Ortiz
Castile is the same as asturias and leon, same family
Adrian Robinson
i don't know but it was one of the reasons of the inflation that make the empire fell... it was too soon to conquer the world. France had more of three times the population of Spain in that time
Asher Hall
WRONG, I am pure Castillian.
Bentley James
The rural exodus yes, but only the people from the kingdom of Castile could travel to the New World. At least until the first bourbon king.
Easton Torres
Any "andaluces" which didnt fucking exist because andalusia was exterminated from existence were from other parts of spain.
Liam Davis
Nono, what triggered me was you not using proper English.
Benjamin Foster
Extremadura isn't proper Castilla. It had been inherited
Hunter Bennett
Other regions had better administration in that terms. As i told you the revolt of the comuneros made the king avoided the castilians and be more focused investing in Andalusia and the colonies
Nathan Nguyen
>but only the people from the kingdom of Castile could travel to the New World. At least until the first bourbon king. Why?
Lincoln Bell
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Jacob Davis
The only entities were province of granada and then kingdom of castile
James Morgan
Because castillians are pure of blood.
William Johnson
Because the Americas belonged to the Crown of Castille. Meanwhile the Crown of Aragon had Southern Italy.
Because "Spain" before the bourbons was only a dynastic union, so Navarra, Castilla and Aragon were separated kingdoms and the laws of one did not apply to the other. Colon proposed the voyage first to Fernando, the king of Aragon, but he refused, then he went to Isabel and she accepted thus making all the colonies in America property of Castilla
Adam Mitchell
people from south Castille and canary islands emigrated to Mexico and Gran Colombia meanwhile Northern castilians migrated to southern cone (1800-1900) countries like Chile or Argentina.
That's explain architecture in those places, if you visit Mexico and colonial towns look like andalusia
Eli Martin
well i gess you don't know about the castilian extremadura and who the settlers moved to the south
Oliver Evans
Wrong you subhuman
John Williams
Extremadura wasn't colonized exclusively by Castille. It was partially a leonese conquest.
Liam Martin
Can we please move this to /his/? Thank you.
Brandon Cook
Leon is the same as castile
Jonathan Hill
It is not. It's part of the same Crown, but still a distinct kingdom.
Carter King
True.
Carson Green
then you have Andalusia that basically exported their culture to Extremadura. Nowdays Extremadura is North Seville
Hudson Long
Leon was a one of the kingdoms of the crown, the same thing with castile. Leon, Galicia, Extremadura, Basque Country, Old Castile, New Castile, Extremadura, Andalucia (Seville and Cordoba) and Granada.
Benjamin Jackson
and kingdom of Murcia
Parker Lee
Don't forget Murcia.
Isaiah Williams
Castilla used to be more populated, there were internal migrations in Spain towards the coast and Madrid in the last 200 years.
A better question is why Leon got cucked by both Portugal and Castilla, which begun as counties of that kingdom.
also, before 1492, the most important economic activity in Iberia was herding sheeps in Castilla to sell the wool in future Belgium and Netherlands from the ports of the Cantabrian sea.
Ryder Peterson
ok...
Jaxon Johnson
>A better question is why Leon got cucked by both Portugal and Castilla, which begun as counties of that kingdom. The real question is how did Leon last so long? It started as a small rebellion in the North, it's surprising to see how long it lasted and how well it did for itself.
Nathaniel Mitchell
>before 1492 We WUZ conquering and pillaging African gold as soon as 1415, actually.
We started very early on.
Juan Nguyen
In 1492 was when they discovered the island of Hispaniola, in the Indies.
Daniel Brown
they, sure. we, not so much.
Ethan Gomez
What do you mean by cucked, leon was the sane as asturias it just changed name when capital was moved to leon, castile came from a inherentqnce split of sons, galicia was made for a son, castile was made for a son, leon was made for a son etc.. There is no "nation" cucking just inheritance and politics for upper class property and power.
Angel Barnes
Leon was originally the main chief crown and yet Castille gained more relevance and became the main Crown, hence the "cucking".
Nicholas Phillips
They are the same, just different names for different sons property, the extent of the lands caried wildly due to it all being part of the same family, until the permanent union of castile and leon which made the property be inherited all by 1 son.
Julian Gray
Definitely not the same. Asturo-leonese and castilian are different languages. Very similar though.
Ian Myers
^ he have to read more about the independece of Castile with the two legendary judges of Castile and Fernand Gonzalez. Somehow the north castilian culture have more basque influence than leonese, maybe because they didn't wanted to be similar to their old lords and their first king get married with a basque princess to make castile a kingdom
Jeremiah Adams
Who taled about languages? It was all ruled by the same family, there was no differences in castile leon or galicia other than how the lands get inherited.
Jason Foster
The people in those places were different. According to your own logic, all places in Europe were the same since all nobility married each other.
Dominic Reyes
Also it just shows right there in your pic how Castille and Leon were separate before merging in 1230. Also charge your phone, man.
Ryder Mitchell
A bunch of basque settlers came to the regions that became Castille simply because Cantabria didn't have enough people.
Ayden Miller
The people are not different, the kingdoms were created by the same family.
The nation was the same.
Camden Thomas
One second leon could be ruler the next castile it didnt matter as it was all the same ppl and family.
Eli Bennett
Nope. Castille comes from Cantabria, Leon comes from the Asturias. And Portugal comes from Galicia. There was no notion of a "nation", only a bunch of places rebelling against the Moors. The nation appeared much much later.
Owen Campbell
The ruler of a place is not the same as that place. Old French nobility was from Germanic origin, yet they learned to speak a Latin language and followed the culture (Roman Catholicism) already in place at that time. Like it literally doesn't matter where the nobility comes from. A lot of times throughout history, a king gets replaced by another coming from a completely different region with very little effect on that region.
Easton Cooper
See
Brayden Robinson
See
Ayden Ortiz
for that reason many castilian villages have basque names (and then castile give them fueros and now some of them want the independece because they think that they have an special and unique culture)
Nathaniel Wood
Todos nosotros somos espanyoles.
Julian Williams
Also Garcia, a name of Basque origin, is the most widespread name in Spain and also somewhat common in Portugal.
Nolan Wright
Leon, Galicia and Cantabria came from the Asturias but the leoneses inherited the kingdom
Jeremiah Moore
Leon is a cultural and linguistical direct descendant of Asturias, just with a different name. Galicia and Cantabria however have different cultures and languages to the point where Galician was a language of poetry, for example.
Blake Torres
some people says that old castilians were basques speaking latin. Castile was called Bardulia by the romans and the early kingdom of leon but many bardulos tribes were in west side of basque country
David Cruz
I want eternal evil Castilla to die and disappear
WE WUZ MOORS AND SHIT
Kevin Moore
I didn't know that. I knew that the "th" sound in Castillian (whenever you read the letters "z", or "c" before a vowel) is also said to come from Basque, but not the Bardulia thing.
Jace Cook
Castilla started further north, in Cantabria. union = strentgh
Josiah Ross
ok... thats right it's fun that Fernando III made the castilian the official language of the crown and his son Alfonso X loved to write poems in galaico-portuguese... at least he made the first orthography and grammar books of the castilian language to try to make it easier to teach.
Jayden Nguyen
*it's funny
Luke Williams
Castilian was more of a language of science and universities, I think.
Jaxon Nelson
Wasn't there someone that described Portugal as the country where people spoke the language of kings, and Spain (Castille?) where the kings spoke the language of the people.
Chase Miller
Yes it is quite ironic.
I never heard that.
Connor Brooks
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Justin Bennett
i don't but maybe its true, castilian was more practical and maybe in that times galaico-portuguese more noble and beautiful
Daniel Ramirez
>Catalan universities
Blake Phillips
Yeah, I think it was some writer.
Jason Roberts
So sad, for my ancestors to kill all the moors!
The national disgrace is not annihating every moor in the world and repopulating the land with iberians.
Jaxon Wood
Incredible how Northern Portugal and Southern Portugal are quite similar (just a bit of more sephardic influence on the south).
Adam Anderson
delete yourself they south shall raise again
Adam Evans
Iberia can take all you filthy shitskins alone and destroy you all.
Zachary Martin
kek i remembered that some kings of Castile loved to have a humble image. Alfonso VIII, the king that fought in the battle of Las Navas de Tolosa, had folding crown made with cheap materials
Connor Wright
>shitskin you wish
we will finally break out of Castillian oppresion one day, and it will be sooner than later. And this time we will succeed