should we start spamming classical related threads and replies so either 1. gookmoot makes /amu/, art music 2. we culturally subvert Sup Forums to believe all pop music is normalfag shit and art music is for patricians
Charles Robinson
/amu/ would die instantly, and people will still like the normie shit cause sometimes it ain't half bad. Just share good, easy to listen to pieces in share threads. And be cool. People like cool cats.
Why do performers/conductors refuse to add dynamics or rhythmic tempo changes to Bach's works when Baroque practice was to leave that shit to performers? Also why do the majority of Bach's cadences end with that trill sounding thing?
Aaron Ross
actually I never really understood the point of trills inthe first place. What do they add to the music?
Carter Scott
Unironically this.
Cameron Collins
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Mason Price
I would hang out with Scriabin guy. He introduces normies to c-list composers and doesn't afraid of anything
the lists have nothing to do with quality, just popularity and recognition. Here's how I break it down.
A list- composers whom everyone knows because they are cultural memes (includes names like Bach, Beethoven, Brahms, Mozart the Liszt goes on ;^) )
B list- Composers who have pops but aren't especially known for their personalities (Verdi, Mendelssohn, Schumann etc...)
C list- composers who don't have pops but are still well known by classical enthusiasts (Scriabin, Schoenberg, Messiaen etc...)
D List- Literally who? (Zelenka, Martinu, Langgaard etc...)
Luke Adams
D List- Hindemith, Rautavaara, Schnittke
Andrew Harris
Z List - Petzold
Adrian Powell
Entirely Bach's fault
Ryan Anderson
LOL scriabin is a guy you least want to hang out with this guy had some SERIOUS fucking issues. he mas the white mass sonata as an exorcism for his previous music because he believed the devil resided in his previous sonata(s). he was a known psychotic. couldn't discern reality from hallucination. Vers la Vlamme was written to represent a week long psychosis he experienced where he thought the world was going up in flames, with the corresponding emotional 'variations'. interesting guy, but yeah. i wouldn't hang out with him
Noah Clark
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Thomas Parker
Asking out of curiosity, don't lynch me -- Who are some good non-white composers besides Sorabji?
Xian Xinghai (Yellow River Concerto) and Chen Gang (Butterfly Lovers Concerto) have made some really cool music, but their work is more comparable Ralph Vaughan Williams or Aaron Copland than any truly great composer. I've heard the name Wang Xilin, a current living Chinese composer, but I don't know anything about him.
What sort of interesting material has come out of Japan, India, or Latin America? I'm sure there are at least a few good composers from Thailand, Korea, or Malaysia.
Jeremiah Turner
Takemitsu, Shankar, Villa-Lobos?
Nathaniel Stewart
He said Scriabin guy from the comic not the actual Scriabin.
Nathan Sanchez
Good list.
Samuel Perez
Gimme some good classical music that would fit in a film well. Nothing overused like Air.
>ask classical music experts whether I should be enjoying music subjectively or trying to understand the author's intention >they almost universally tell me understanding the author's intention is optional >tell me all music stands alone and can be appreciated >trying to get into debussy >listening to proses lyriques >meh, just seems like random sounds to me >random moments of "that's nice, I guess" without understanding why >is that what I'm supposed to be experiencing? the "that's nice, I guess?" >is that what it means for music to stand alone? just listen to random crap and wait until your existing sensibilities are tickled by something? what if the tickling is an accident? >get angry >start researching the proses lyriques >find out debussy was deliberately and straightforwardly applying a techno-fetishistic weirdo nonsense idea derived from a completely dumbass quack philosophy >find out that the proses lyriques are like a painter rejecting formal techniques for painting because he has a hunch that they are arbitrary, but then in his quest to find a post-formalist painting style, being taken in for a year by a snake-oil salesman who convinces him that painting is only "good" insofar as it uses the color BROWN because BROWN is the MAGICAL UR-COLOR >find out that debussy would have later spit on the proses lyriques as a failed experiment >can now safely say, the proses lyriques Officially Suck Ass >can justify this conclusion >mfw thousands of retard plebs will listen to the proses lyriques today and go "Mmm.. Ah.. Ah yes, I rather quite like this, indeed.. Whilst.. Quite whilst.. Mm, yes, I'm quite whilst a fan of this.. This is quite post-tonal, not hidebound by formalism at all.. Ah yes.." as this complete shit garbage flawed experiment of post-formalist neo-techno-formalism accidentally produces something that sounds good by accident, because it accidentally sounds like a recognizable formalist chromatic piece of music, every 2.4 minutes on average
Cooper Reyes
Depends what kind of film
Henry Reed
Debussy is barely a composer.
Angel Lee
It`s a short film about woman realizing her need for someone else who hasnt been there before. The film has had a basic beat before this but the final scene needs some soft music to convey her love of men and the world outside.
I seriously thought about using AIR before, but its seriously so overused and cliched at this point.
Aaron Allen
I never realized Shankar composed in the classical style; I'll be sure to check out his concerto for sitar and orchestra.
Villa-Lobos sounds interesting. Surprised I haven't heard of him.
Cooper Richardson
what Air?
Charles Morgan
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John Morales
Really anything by Shostakovich after 1935, especially if you look outside his symphonies.
Selections of Mahler and Bruckner are incredibly cinematic and a lot of Brahms (especially his horn trio and piano quintet) befit a serious drama.
>find out debussy was deliberately and straightforwardly applying a techno-fetishistic weirdo nonsense idea derived from a completely dumbass quack philosophy. no
>interesting material has come out of Japan, India, or Latin America? I'm sure there are at least a few good composers from Thailand, Korea, or Malaysia. Takemitsu is quite literally the only good non-Western composer.
Cooper Jones
>/classical/
John Barnes
E list- Composer actively tries to suppress the notion of his own existence (Sorabji not etc...)
Lincoln Gray
>mfw I will never hear Brian's Phrometheus Unbound, which lasts like 248 minutes (more than 4 hours)
Jose Gutierrez
And all that is wrong because....?
Evan Miller
Is there a more powerful soy repellent than Liszt?
Sounds just like Debussy's other works structurally speaking. Debussy's style is to ramble aimlessly in different modes with very little inthe way of motivic development. If you want Debussy with refinement and structure, try a little known fellow by the name of, oh I don't know Maurice Ravel. He is the Mozart of impressionism.
Caleb Butler
why wont you?
Hudson Wright
>Debussy's style is to ramble aimlessly in different modes with very little inthe way of motivic development.
>you share this board with this person
Jacob Myers
The score is lost. The worse of all is that he considered this work like the best
I'm going to let you in on a secret. While yes things lost to time we will never know, lots of times there's a reason it was lost. Not to say it's bad, but people seem to have this fascination with lost things (I do too) but like usually it'll never live up to the hype. I feel like if it's ever found, you wont like it as much as you should because you subconsciously built it up to Phantom Menace levels of expectation. Levels that can never be reached.
Wyatt Edwards
Sounds like incidental music for an episode of Ironside
Ryan Diaz
Do you mean HYPE?
Jeremiah Richardson
Only plebs fail to memorize their own works.
Chase Bailey
I think based on the Symphonic Tableux we could have assumed that Fanelli's other works would be quite fascinating.
If he composed it then he should be able to memorize every note and the entire libretto.
Oliver Perez
There's literally nothing wrong with Bolero
Austin Wood
this desu
Jack Price
Bolero is my favorite Ravel song.
Landon Adams
yes liszt
Kevin Anderson
I dislike Gergiev because in some of these videos you can hear him fucking humming like glenn gould.
Parker Allen
Its so bad that Ravel himself admitted it was about all he could manage due to his worsening aphasia and that he found it a very naive and trivial experiment.
Alexander King
Nah, it's actually a commentary on technology (the robotic rhythms) vs. nature (the Bolero folk dance). This is well-documented.
Blake White
Excuse me sir, do you have any problem with humming?
Adrian Brooks
Debussy underraters are the dumbest.
Nathaniel White
yeah it's distracting when I'm trying to listen to the Ruslan and Ludmilla Overture and I hear some dude singing along with the melody
you have no power here Zizek
Lucas Nguyen
>having an opinion that's literally a meme
Hunter Barnes
yep, thats the opinion Debussy haters have >Hurr durr debussy is bad Literally a meme
Owen Miller
So are Dvorak's string quartets any good? I've listened to the first three and so far they're just like a poor man's Tchaikovsky.
People are only familiar with his twelfth quartet for a reason. Maybe give his string and piano quintets a try? I'm no expert though
Nathan Smith
Neither are really underrated. Arensky is more underrated than both of them combined
Jose Ramirez
How is Debussy being bad a meme? It took years of serious listening and analysis (albeit autodidactic) to realize Debussy's faults where he had once been my absolute favorite composer.
Bad composers are usually forgotten. The mere fact that we're talking about him now indicates he is a great composer whose music has stood the test of time.
Plus everyone in the classical world (those who actually know what they're talking about: professional conductors, composers, performers and music critics) have a great respect for Debussy.
Hating Debussy is a meme by meme-spouting /classical/ posters and other dumb people with shit taste
Aiden Miller
I'm listening now. It sounds pretty austere. I like hearing magical third-related progressions in Brahms and Wagner though.
John Cruz
>(those who actually know what they're talking about: professional conductors, composers, performers and music critics) have a great respect for Debussy.
When a composer reaches the stature such as Debussy who received among other honors a well-attended public burial in the midst of an artillery campaign I think that intelligent listeners realize they must forfeit the notion that the composer didn't know what he was doing. He knew exactly what he was doing and therefore there are no faults. There's only what you don't like about his music. It's incredibly arrogant to presume otherwise.
>people still taking this hacks opinions seriously why? he was barely a composer at all
