Daily Japanese Thread - DJT # 1896

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youtube.com/user/0214mex
youtube.com/user/kinoyuu0204/
apps.ankiweb.net/docs/changes.html
www3.nhk.or.jp/news/easy/
www3.nhk.or.jp/news/
www2.gwu.edu/~eall/vjg/05adjectives/05adjectives.html
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Why havent you read this chuuni masterpiece yet?

why are these threads on Sup Forums now

I did my reps early today, is there any good 日本語 Youtubes I can waste my day with?

日本語 Youtube is pretty fun, though it depends on your taste. I like stuff like
youtube.com/channel/UCutJqz56653xV2wwSvut_hQ

Japs usually stick to nicodouga which is horribly slow, still uses flash and requires a paid account for basic functions like fucking video playback forward skipping.

Why is Japanese web development/design stuck in like fucking 2006?

I havent been able to find really funny youtube channels but a japanese person recommended this guy to me: youtube.com/user/0214mex

So, should I update Anki?

>Previous thread had 66 replies

Same question

user, Japanese Youtube has gotten real big over the last few years, with their own celebrities and shit. Pretty sure it's bigger than my local Youtube here. Companies have also mostly changed to Youtube, though there are sadly still a few relying on niconico livestreams.
Nico still exists but it's mostly livestreamers and MMD stuff. Even the big vocaloid producers mostly changed to Youtube.

これ youtube.com/user/kinoyuu0204/
subtitleもあるし...

I ain't updating, despite backups and synching to ankiweb the thought of anything going wrong still scares me.

It's funny because NicoNico originally hosted their videos on Youtube and embedded them.

If only they kept on doing that we wouldn't have to deal with their shitty player.

That's my concern. Didn't update last time either, although I haven't seen anyone complaining about incompatibility since then.

just updated mine, nothing went wrong
afaik it's just a security update against 3rd party decks that could write files anywhere

Their shitty player is what they use to encourage people to pay for unrestricted features and in turn generate revenue. Our Hiroyuki was the cunt behind a lot of that.

I updated yesterday after reading in the changelog that the previous version has a loophole which allows decks to write outside of the media folder when importing.
apps.ankiweb.net/docs/changes.html
>Fixes an issue that could allow a specially crafted .apkg file to write files outside the media folder during import. AnkiWeb shared decks were not affected, but upgrading is strongly recommended if you import .apkg files from third party sources. A big thanks to David Bailey for discovering this issue.

I asked /jp/ about this but the only response I got was from one of the shitposters.

While I don't appreciate the jewery of NND, I would be glad if their logics of being mindful of "resources" and not abusing HD videos was more widespread. All that bandwidth wasted on watching some stupid nigger playing Minecraft could feed an endless P2P network and make piracy effortless.

HD, what's that, above 240p?

死ぬな

Just wanna say thanks to the guys maintaining the guide and CoR. I would never have learned any Japanese without you guys.

Ist es wahr daß Leute, die Flüchtlingspolitic opponieren in Deutschland als nazis geruft werden?

just wanted to tell you guys you are shit and jaypee is much better

Second, I was using and making hand made flashcards and buying shitty books before.

ありがとう

I think weebos suck and should be euthanized.

>90% of posts are single hiragana only words from anime
流石, Sup Forums

>weebos
They're better than newfags trying to fit in.

Is this machine translated? back to Sup Forums mein Freund.

/jp/ is but a shadow of its former self you're much better off in Japanese speaking imageboards and textboards. I only come here to check out from time to time before you say something in the lines of 'then why are you here'

阿素敵奈発揮芬蘭君屹度貴方乃方我詳之以乃恵希望為末寸。聞機末之由比。

Weabixa homosexual desgraçada. Vc é a vergonha dos seus pais.

Se ser oldfag é pagar pau pra webixas homosexuais degeneradas de bosta eu não quero deixar de ser newfag, sua aberração esquerdista. Morra.

Vergonha da senpaiíli

How exactly do I study using anime?
English subs dont help because they are changed to make sense to an english speaking audience and i cant fully follow the story with japanese subs.

I long for the day monkeys will be banned from the internet. This thread is absolutely unbearable with these subhuman posters.

>weab
>web
It just get's worse and worse.
Also, what is it about using your native language that compels Brazilians to write like apes on a leash? Got your spellchecker set to English and can't write for yourself anymore? Of course you can't, who am I fooling? That's why you can't spell weeaboo to save your flip-flop-wearing life; spellchecker will give you nothing to correct it with. Sucks being underaged and having YouTube comments as your only literacy training.

Now fuck off from the learning thread, go cocksuck some Facebook memes over your lusophone circlejerk.

Farm some vocabulary, with TaeKim tier grammar + 6k words you should have around 80% text coverage and manage to make some sense out of it on yourself.
Or watch shows you have already watched before, then you'll use your foreknowledge as a crutch while staring at the Japanese subs.

English subs won't help you with anything.

>get's
Jesus Christ, fuck me with a double cactus.

It happens to the best of us, Brasil-kun.
気にせんで~

きれいな
きらいな

don't wanna mix those up .-.

かわいい
かわいそう

don't wanna mix those up

Why is it not 水色とピンクのやつ or something?

Maybe やつ is modified by three things separately:

四角くて丸い
水色の
ピンクの

All of which modify やつ separately?

So basically "(It's) contained within a square and round, light blue, pink thing."

Please correct me if I'm wrong.

Well lads, up to 100 words memorized at this point. At what point do you think I can read something like a newspaper article on Japanese?

www3.nhk.or.jp/news/easy/
www3.nhk.or.jp/news/

Thanks lad! Will bookmark it! ありがとございます

FUCK

YES

I am , just got the July N1 results in. Not super excellent results but I wasn't expecting near-perfect at my current level, what's important is I got the passing score I wanted.

おめでとう
How long have you been studying for?

Little over 1.5 years. I started late November '15.

Fast progress. How many hours a day studying/reading/listening on average?

おめでとう

の-adjectives
blue pink thing

おめでとう!

What are you intentions now that you have passed?

>の-adjectives
Stupid English grammar guides just making up words

linguists use this term

Thank you everyone for the congratulations. I'm going out to dinner to celebrate but will be back in a few hours to reply.

www2.gwu.edu/~eall/vjg/05adjectives/05adjectives.html

I have this same question, please answer

How good at speaking and having a conversation would you say you are?

>Little over 1.5 years
>reach N1
これは凄い

Please do answer this And how much money did you spend in the process?

I can only make out 気取りやがて, what are the hiragana at the beginning?

単なる形式名詞です
ですが、単数か複数かはわかりたせん
やつ:thing or things

なんだい…
気取りやがって…
ブスッ

なんだい
気取りやがって
ブス

I really need to get better at reading handwritten letters. I thought it was なとぢい and was lost.
Thank you.

You losers will never reach you're dreams. Give up.

It's pretty messy, but even messy handwriting gets easier to read with practice.

...

I know 水色 and ピンク are no-adjectives, that's why I listed that 水色の and ピンクの both modify やつ

The question is though, are they modifying やつ separately or not? If not, then I don't understand why it's not 水色とピンクの. Are both grammatically correct/what's the difference in nuance?

A blue, pink X
A blue and pink X
There are multiple ways to say everything.

So since "a blue and pink X" would mean 水色とピンク and you didn't say that they weren't modifying やつ separately, by process of elimination I'm going to guess "A blue, pink X" means that they are modifying やつ separately, which was exactly my theory to begin with. Did I get it right initially, or is it a chain of no-adj--no-adj--noun?

One more. たっぷり示をしなくちゃな

示 can't be right, there's some radical to the right, but hell if I can figure out what the kanji/meaning is supposed to be.

It's 礼. Sometimes the left side is written like 示.

礼

open the japanese subs in firefox and use rikai over them while you watch

Vergonha da familia.

>tfw duolingo taught me hiragana in a day
Should I go ahead and jump into the guide or keep using it?

ありがとう
大好き

>1.) 2015-11 to 2016-07, 3-4 hrs/day
When I first started out I got burned out on two things - Core and RTK - I think they both have their place but if you use them wrong they suck. After those I did my own thing. First 6 months or so was no reading and only a little listening on some youtube/niconico Let's Plays; I was mostly just anki grinding. After Core2k, JtMW, and a little RTK, I tried reading Hanahira after 3 months (and succeeded) but when I tried any other VN after that it was too frustrating looking up kanji and vocab every single line, so I temporarily gave up on reading. The rest of the first 6 months I spent grinding the jouyou kanji via my own kanji vocab method. By the end of it I had 6k vocab in a mining anki deck that covered all of the jouyou kanji with (in my opinion) much better, relevant words than Core6k.

>2.) 2016-07 to 2016-11, 3-4 hrs/day
Finally finished with my Joukyou grind I hopped on the reading grind. The first day I started reading was July 4, so it was my independence day from the Anki grind. I started with easy VNs since it seemed like a good idea to get both reading practice and listening practice with voiced lines. First I read Nanatsuiro Drops (meh), then Harumade Kururu (good), then Root Double (questionable), then Tsuriotsu (good). I also upped my listening content a lot and watched a fair bit of LP stuff on youtube and niconico. Probably only like 100 hours during this period though.

>3.) 2016-11 to 2017-02, 7-8 hrs/day
For some reason in November I got a big boost of motivation and I decided I was going to become the best at Japanese ever, and started reading VNs like a madman.

>4.) 2017-02 to 2017-07, 1-2 hrs/day
The motivation wore off when at one point early this year when I realized my efforts had paid off and I finally "knew Japanese." Incompletely, for sure, but enough that my motivation to keep going on it like crazy died down.

>ありがとう
>大好き
Truly N1 levels of fluency.

Stick to duolingo, you'll be fluent in a year.

I haven't used Duolingo but I'm assuming it teaches Katakana also. Knock that out then move onto the guide. You don't have to have an amazing grasp on Hiragana and Katakana at first but at least having basic knowledge will help greatly. I picked up Hiragana pretty quickly but Katakana gave me some trouble for awhile but after referring back to a chart enough times when I got tripped up it sunk in. ツ シ ソ ン in particular are confusing at first for many people.

I can't speak from personal experience but from everything I've heard Duolingo by itself won't teach you Japanese it needs to be used in conjunction with Anki and such.

>this jealous hue
probably the same bitter faggot trying to shit on everyone all the time on /jp/

GJ user, I've been studying for about as long as you (Started 2016/05) and just barely passed this year's N2, at 97/180.

Good question. The most accurate answer I can give you is "I don't know". The only time I have actually spoken (in person) with a Japanese person was when I was only a few months in to learning and I met a Japanese tourist by chance. It was a fun conversation but I wasn't nearly good enough to keep it up more than a few minutes at that point. I know I'd be way better now, certainly plenty good enough to talk "ogenki desu ka" and about the weather and crap but I don't know my keigo too well yet and would fall apart if we started talking about politics or any specialized area. But given my reasonably good background in reading and listening, if I put some more effort into conversation I'd be able to get better fairly quickly.


Thank you. I don't intend to do anything with the certificate itself, mostly I just thought it would be fun to gauge my own ability. My plans for the long run is just to keep going as long as I find it fun. In the short run, I'm going to finish the VNs I'm on at the moment and then finally watch some anime. I have been abstaining for it for a year and a half since I didn't want to ruin it with my subpar language ability, or watch it with English subs either.

儂は確かにしゅごいのじゃ
See for my answer to that. As far as money, I spent $0 but that is because I pirated all my resources. If you are willing to do that, the only resource I would actually recommend buying is Anki for iPhone for $25 if you have one or just the Android version for free if you have that. If you can't/won't pirate things for whatever reason, I would recommend buying JtMW, later on the N1 grammar book of Shin Kanzen Master, and spending the rest of your money on used VNs as they are pricey but a great bang for your buck.

N1になると
「ありがとう」と「大好き」しかいらない
ー孔子

GJ yourself, but don't underestimate the difference 6 months can make. Without my "period 3" spurt I wouldn't have been good enough.

The biggest challenge with learning Japanese is staying interested in that horrible Visual Novel writing.

It does as well, I just learned the full katakana set along with some basic greetings in between the time it took me to write these posts. I feel like it's doing a good job as far as recognition goes since I can tell it's ramping up the amount of content without me getting strained.
Only problem is that I'm not really learning any grammer or mechanics besides the ° and " modifiers. Unrelated, but I already downloaded the android anki but I can't seem to get the images to work, any ideas?

Are you pulling my leg?

Don't get me wrong I think passing N1 is definitely an accomplishment. Nice job, man.

I will be the first to admit that most VNs are not great. Even most of the better ones are overly-long, and because they have length quotas they are filled with tons of filler narration that often just repeats what characters just said. But this can actually be very helpful at a beginner level. Miss a line of dialogue? No problem, the MC restates it in his internal monologue a second later.

There definitely are some really good VNs though. I don't know how anyone can become a VN aficionado like Hadler and read over 500 VNs, I truly don't, I guess you just have to be willing to wade through a lot of crap. But I'd say there are probably at least 50 VNs worth reading so I've still only just scratched the surface.

Thanks user, appreciated. I owe it all to DJT - I disagree with a select few things that most people say here, namely that I think kanji mnemonic methods like RTK and KKLC can sometimes be useful. But the overall mantra here of "read more" is the best advice you'll get anywhere.

At this point would you say you could watch anime without subtitles?

Have you ever taken the J-CAT? If so, what score(s) and how does it compare to the JLPT?

Also, if yes, when did you take it?

I have a question about な adjectives. I'm on chapter 5 of Genki so I know how to conjugate them for affirmative/negative past and present, but the book isn't completely clear to me.
For a word like 元気, I don't use な for saying "X is Y", like ロバートは元気です, right? But I think I'm supposed to use な when linking the edjective to a noun, like ロバートは元気な人です. Is this true?
If the negative past conjugation is 元気じゃなかった, then is the sentence ロバートは元気じゃなかったです right? How would I write that in the other way, to say "Robert was not a lively person"? Do I use な?

Not really, to be honest. Well it depends on the anime, K-ON sure, anything more complex not so much. My listening is my weakest point by a long shot thanks to me heavily prioritizing reading first due to me finding it more fun while at a beginner level. Over the next several months I intend to focus my time more on listening by practicing with anime. For this reason I compiled a list of most everything that has JP subs on Kitsunekko that I am interested in watching and have it downloaded/currently downloading into the folder in pic related on my external hard drive. You can do all sorts of fun stuff when you have JP subs. Watch it once first with subs then once without, or watch it once first without subs then once with subs, or just watch it without subs but whenever you miss a line you have the script there to help. So it'll be a fun next few months.

ロバートは元気な人ではない

Thrice, right around 6 months apart from each other, the third one being about a month before the N1. The JCAT itself is not really comparable to the JLPT since it's way easier, a better parallel to the JLPT would be the practice tests in the back of the SKM books. However, JCAT is a pretty good resource for testing your own abilities, just be aware that at a beginner level it over-estimates your ability leaving a lot of people with self-assessed N3. I was not as good at 6 months as my JCAT at 6 months would suggest. Also, the reason my grammar score skyrocketed is almost entirely due to the fact that I read the N1 and N2 grammar books of Shin Kanzen Master. Highly recommended even for people not taking the JLPT, it gives you an idea for the nuances between grammar points that DoJG does not have. I haven't checked out the new English grammar dictionary HJGP yet though, I hear that's better.

you need to combine 元気 and 人 like lively person, so you need な. and then put ない(negative form) at the end of sentence and change its form in order along tense.

>Shin Kanzen Master
Do your books feature any English in them?
They're great books but I'm not sure about recommending them if you don't already have a good grasp of Japanese.
Mine are entirely in Japanese (with furigana), which can make learning the nuances kinda hard.

Between 1860 and 2460 hours, as generally estimated.

PUT IN THE HOURS, GET THE CHINGCHONGS.

Ooh okay, so ロバートは元気な人じゃなかったです is correct?

Yes SKM is entirely Japanese, at least the N1 and N2 books are anyway. The way I see it is, if Shin Kanzen Master N1 is too hard for you to tackle, don't bother reading it yet, or taking the N1 yet for that matter. Doing it early is pointless, I only did it a few months ago myself. Forget about little nuances for now. I would never recommend SKM in place of an English grammar dictionary like DoJG (or HJGP if it is indeed good). Those resources are perfect for getting a grasp of most grammar in common use beyond what is covered in beginner guides like Tae Kim and JtMW. Once you have gotten a good grasp of most all the major grammar points, be that through DoJG, HJGP, or just exposure, then put that into practice with a bunch of reading. Read read read for a few months at least before you think of doing any more grammar. Only after that, once you are able to read normal Japanese at a decent pace, should you bother with SKM. But once you do get to that level it is very helpful teaching you the nuances of the grammar, which helps with both the JLPT and actual reading comprehension too.

fucking correct.

Q. ロバートは元気な人でしたか。/元気な人だったか。/元気な人じゃなかった(のでは)?/元気な人じゃなかったか。(negative questions)

A. (はい/いいえ) ロバートは元気な人じゃなかったです/ではなかったです。

yeah you right, he wasn't./No, he was not.