Younger brother is talking about the class struggle and bourgeoise even though we are upper middle class again

>Younger brother is talking about the class struggle and bourgeoise even though we are upper middle class again

>thinking income determines ones class

Take him on a trip to Venezuela :DDDD

upper middle class is entry level millionaires, usually with own company.
are you that?

>we are upper middle class again
How was your experience as low middle class?

at least he is smart enough to go to college you lying thieving criminal

Dad is a partner at a law firm and mom works as an HR manager for a big corp.

Not sure what you'd call that.

Good idea. That'll show him how the imperialist forces of capitalist controlled states will not allow a democratic government of the people to exist if it goes against their interests. Show him the $60 million that the US gives to the political parties to finance their revolts and organized disruption of the country's well being.

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settle down, now. you've been watching one too many tom cruise movies, mikko

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upper middle class is 200k income here basically

>Not sure if you're serious or not

>Younger brother is talking about the class struggle and bourgeoise even though we are upper middle class again

This statement clearly reveals that you have now idea what the term "bougeoise" means in a Marxist context, you politically illiterate imbecile.

>even though we are upper middle class again
So what?

They don't have to be millionaires.

I'd say upper middle class is 70-300k€ yearly income, after that comes upper class.

Many of the great revolutionaries rose from privileged backgrounds.

I honestly just ignore and tune him out everytime he brings it up but I just think it's a little odd for him to be talking about exploitation when we're essentially loaded.

>even though we are upper middle class again
did you recently become middle class or what

>talking about exploitation when we're essentially loaded
There is that one thing called empathy, maybe you've heard of it.

No I mean he's talking about it again, not that we've elevated our financial status recently.

again is modifying "talking"

The again is referring to his brother talking, please learn English

Then it would be
>Younger brother is talking about the class struggle and bourgeoise again even though we are upper middle class

Sure but he says a lot of things that aren't believed by any economist of the 21st century.

He was talking about the labour theory of value and it doesn't even make any sense.

Nope, his way is fine.

Well chances are you are not bourgeoisie aka the owning class even if you are middle class.

dumb murrifat

the bourgeoisie is a parasitic class in that they do not make a living using their physical power

their existence is as the middleman

>He was talking about the labour theory of value and it doesn't even make any sense.
What about it isn't making sense to you?

I'm 4%

So just prove him wrong. What's your problem exactly?

yes, and even if a doctor would be upper middle class he still wouldn't be the bourgeoisie

by "owning class" I meant that they own stuff that they use to produce their income, without doing much themselves (buildings, financial assets, etc),

Parents rent out two houses and have a huge stock portfolio. Didn't say we're bourgeoise but definitely not being exploited by anyone so it just feels misplaced

How is say a piece of art made by a famous artist suppose to be worth less than dome guy digging a huge hole for 10 hours?

Does ANY SINGLE economist of the 21st century agree with Marx?

>middle class
Do you own means of production?

Not really but parents rent out two homes and have a large stock portfolio. I guess that technical means they own some of the means of production of companies?

Technically*

Yeah yeah yeah, we know it's always everyone else's fault when commie shit doesn't work out.
Even when half the world was commie.

OR

Once again it wasn't REAL communism meme.... lets try it yet again!

>bourgeoisie
are not necessarily ownership class, the are the capitalist class
modern doctors are such as they are readily open their own practices

so literally everyone is bourgeoisie now?

then what is the "parasitic" owner class called?

I feel like most of what Marx talked about hardly applies now.

It's never the actual "working class" who pushes for communism, it's non working second or third generation entitled assholes with delusions of grandeur, usually from privilege but who still can't manage to have a functional life who always want to take over and manage the actual working masses who they seem to think want or need them.

>it wasn't REAL communism
No one ever called it communism. Soviet Union claimed to be socialist state on the road to communism. Communism is just a utopia, you know.

core concepts do

the division of labor and the dominance of the mostly inheritance based owner class is the same as it was back then

>It's never the actual "working class" who pushes for communism
So nothing new here.

were the rulers communist?
was it their goal to bring about communism?

the subtle technicality that these were never Communist states is irrelevant and it has always been
it is just a red herring

Answer me

Am I bourgeoise or not I cant get a clear answer

>was it their goal to bring about communism?
Well, that's what they said.
>Communist states
That's an oxymoron. By definition communism is a stateless society.

Borderline. With wise investments your family could probably elevate themselves to full owner class status.

He's just saying what every other left tard marxist would say. Take him to Cuba or Venezuela? The problems were created by capitalists! Take him to Switzerland or the US? The problems were created by capitalists!
We're talking about a first world commie here. He's already made up his mind, so he won't warp his head around reality, rather he'll try to warp reality around his head.

The state growing to retarded proportions is required to bring communism.

This is a major disagreement communists and anarchists have, actually.

Which is why communism is impossible, as in practice it would require a very strong ruling class, which would elevate them above the plebs.

yes, absolutely

more technicalities

YES I meant to say communist nations, perhaps even communist places

but you got the point didnt you?

sigh this is why people kill you

Is that a good thing then?

If your parents have to wageslave away for their income while their corporate overlords reap the benefits of their work, they are not bourgeoise even if they are well off.

I said my dad is a law firm partner and my mom works as an HR manager. They have a ton of passive income though, not even sure why they still work honestly.

>but you got the point didnt you?
No I didn't. If some people call themselves communists it doesn't mean they actually achieved a communist society(because it's pretty fucking close to be impossible in near future).

>upper class
are you landed or live off your immense wealth or something?

everyone who lives off wages today are proles

>tfw was kind of a commie but now planning to own and rent out property
Welp it was fun while it lasted

If they're like my parents they fall for all the memes and buy a big home in a ""nice"" tasteless suburb, a big boat, an RV and vacations all the time to the caribbean ensuring they will work until death

>familia has a net yearly income of 150k USD
>I have a picture of Subcomandante Marcos in my wall and I have read a lot of his Marxist essays online
When shit goes down I just want to shoot some folks while wearing a red star as a banner, is a very simple yet highly important wish to me.

yes

Why tho

I'm more of a kropotkin man myself.

>"haha, just take him to venezuela and show him what socialism is really li-"

commies are not killers

Why shed blood on a capitalist country to begin with? Why not move to a country more accepting of marxist views?

Wow, good taste.

It's an international struggle. You wouldn't understand.

When will this leaf stop spamming his shitty Sup Forums threads, and more importantly, when will you retards stop replying to him? He's already made 3 today, and they've all been deleted. I encourage you all to sage and report any threads of his you find in the future.

>Why shed blood on a capitalist country
For starters maybe if the entire western world didn't try to invade every country that came even close to even trying to establish some form of left-wing government.

Most of them brought it on themselves, as they are usually very anti-Western and provocative.

>usually very anti-Western
Why the fuck should they be pro-western, might I ask? The goal of communism is liberation of the worker, not be a puppet of the US.

Those are probably different people. Settle down pipsqeuak and hide the threads you dont like. Announcing reports is against the rules, so watch it before my boys shove that fedora on your head through your ass.

idunno, the idea of becoming a revolutionary martyr seems pleasant enough for me.
i'm not a commie, i want to be a revolutionary that ends the class struggle
Why not skip the whole step of class struggle entirely? Where's the fun in that?

woah, im literally shaking rn
your so tough and scary

>>Sources
>2010
Old as fuck, the government began to statize a whole lot of companies when shit began to go down a few years ago.
>thenation.com
That one also has outdated information. Are you aware that Maduro got rid of the congress? Doesn't menion that. Also their "sources" are a bunch of other articles on different news outlets, not actual statistical data
>the right to health
Didn't read that one, it's behind a paywall. However, private/public funding for health care doesn't mean a country is better or worse, lad. We've have public healthcare for decades, but people with disposable income hire private healthcare plans just because they're way less of a hassle

That usually happens when the communists have the bright idea of just taking the private property of westerners because lmao private property is not real. Go to a country that is on complete isolation with western countries and build your society there. Of course you'll get shat on by capitalists if you value your ideology more than their lives.

Oh yeah and they're usually just pure oligarchies, using scaremongering and populism to rally the population. See Venezuela, North Korea, USSR, Libya.

What's your address? I'll come send a couple souvenirs through your window this evening if you want. You fucking snitch

>even though we are upper middle class
I don't know you are surprised OP. Pampered brats like your brother are the only ones who talk about Marxism.

It's just a phase many rebellious teens pass. It will be over soon

>2010
So Venezuela wasn't socialist in 2010? But I thought they became socialist when ebil chavez took power?
>That usually happens when the communists have the bright idea of just taking the private property of westerners because lmao private property is not real
So when communists succeed in a revolution they should just let western countries continue exploiting them and not attempt to actually achieve any of their goals?

Do the workers own the means of production in any of those countries or are you just a retard that also thinks that North Korea is democratic because it's in their name?

>78807856
xddd really scary
>>>/9gag/

Then name one country trying to establish a legitimate left-wing government that the West toppled.

Good for him. Class consciousness is the true redpill.

I didn't say they always succeeded, I said they always tried.
But, Iran, for starters.

>So Venezuela wasn't socialist in 2010
They were, they just didn't push as hard on private business as they did when the oil price went to shit. Also, did you know inflation fucks up with lower class 9 times harder than with the higher classes? Pro tip: you don't want inflation if there are poor people, even if you use it to finance welfare.
>So when communists succeed in a revolution they should just let western countries continue exploiting them and not attempt to actually achieve any of their goals?
I'm just saying that if you fuck with capitalists on the first place, don't act surprised when they decide you're part of the problem. That's why I say that it's better to move to countries with no western influence. No westerner having property there means no western interests on fucking with you. Either that or you work with the capitalists at first, give them what they want and have them leave peacfully so you can guarantee he won't try to fuck with you. Buy their companies for a little over for what they're for over a period of decades and that's it. What's tolerating class oppression for a few years if it means getting rid of it for good in the future?

poor people are usually too dumb to even pick up a book and read about the class system

>this guy again
I'd like you to bite a bullet

@78808257
>everyone who disagrees with me is a single person
xDDDDDDD really insightful post my friendo

It's so obviously one person making these posts though. You did it in the other threads too

It's so obviously one person making these posts though. You did it in the other threads too

Are you honestly going to tell me you arent the guy who went off on Sup Forums and kept spamming "nice argument xd" like an hour ago? You're just a perpetually anally destructed autist from leftypol and everyone knows this.

I don't use Sup Forums you faggot.
Are you honestly going to tell me you arent the guy who went off on Sup Forums and kept spamming "fuck niggers and lefdisds xd" like an hour ago? You're just a perpetually anally destructed autist from Sup Forums and everyone knows this.

I mean you were here in another thread sperging out about pol

>I mean you were here in another thread sperging out about pol
So everyone who disagrees with you is the same person, got it.

The jews

please learn about banter