They Live is communist propaganda

They Live is communist propaganda.

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*considers it*

*schniff*

t. juden

Considering that it be used from a point of view of whole bunch of different movement I would be more inclined to call it anti-establishment propaganda.

Mako is cheap slut

> THEY LIVE is about yuppies and unrestrained capitalism.
These are words by Carpenter himself. I'm not saying he's a commie, but the film could be used as a movement propaganda piece without any editing.
*hand rubbing intensifies*

YOU TAKE THAT BACK

Mako is expensive slut

No it's not.

Communists do need to die though.

> explicitly anti-capitalist, as repeatedly stated by its creator
It might not have been intended as a full-blown Marxist work, but it is deep in the left.

>but it is deep in the left.
Okay kind of.

It sucks ass anyway.

>These are words by Carpenter himself.
I have nothing against intended message but there's a reason Sup Forums love the movie. It's ideas can be easily interpreted in different ways. You know, death of the author and all that. Late Ray Bradbury used to claim the Fahrenheit 451 was about the horrors of the internet...

The funny thing is that the closest Sup Forums comes to coherence is stealing the left's ideas, concept of class dichotomy in this case, and perverting them to mean something entirely different.
You might as well say of They Live that it's a film about Satanists in the media guiding good Christians away from the American Way — hell, it would make more sense, given how the protagonist's partner is a black man and the resistance place he gets the glasses at is a church — that doesn't mean that this interpretation makes sense or should be considered valid.
> death of the author
More like making the author breathe farts until he dies of asphyxiation, sodomising his corpse, and setting his house on fire with his family inside.

>>traitor detected

you'll be next for a faceful of shotgun

Corporatist swine like you go first

I pissed myself of fear. Please don't hurt me, o mighty race warrior.

Kys animefaglord

>he actually thinks another communist revolution will EVER happen

lol you people are raging delusional children

Capitalism relies on infinite growth and resources. It is unviable as an economic model as it will inevitably collapse.

>Capitalism relies on infinite growth and resources.
No, no it does't.
I find it quite hilarious when leftists make this delusional strawman argument.

>as it will inevitably collapse.
no it won't lol

>Capitalism relies on infinite growth and resources.

Unlike Communism, which is predicated on stagnation.

no it's anti-

I agree with leftist interpretation but at the end of the day the whole glasses thing doesn't imply much more than those fuckers with power are brainwashing us sheep.

>Capitalism relies on infinite growth and resources.
Why do you people keep saying this bullshit without explaining yourselves?

PLEASE TELL ME SOMEONE SAVED THE CARPENTER TWEET WITH THE GLASSES ON AND OFF

> No, no it does't.
I won't be surprised if you actually have a degree in economy, given how Yank economists are taught like preachers rather than researchers, but no, you are wrong. The consumption society is an obvious proof.
> no it won't
Older models of capitalism already did, last time it happened with Reagan, say. Only neoclassicists dispute the claim that capitalism has a finite expiration date, it's simply that it's not necessary that what will come next is a socialist revolution.
Explain to an idiot why is planned obsolescence a thing if capitalism doesn't requite constant growth.

>all anti-corporate propaganda is communist
fuck off

>planned obsolescence
lmao like maybe 5-10% of companies actually try this bullshit and when they do people stop buying their products

It's not a common thing. It's really not a problem.

> denial
Typical.

>given how Yank economists are taught like preachers
LOL
Socialist professors are the ones taught like preachers.

Actual economists rely on evidence and logic.
Marxists rely on insane delusions that have been proven wrong countless times.

>The consumption society is an obvious proof.
The fact that people consume things is proof capitalism relies on infinite growth?
What the fuck are you even saying you fucking retard?

>Older models of capitalism already did
What models?

>last time it happened with Reagan, say.
What the fuck are you talking about?

>Only neoclassicists dispute the claim that capitalism has a finite expiration date
Literally only delusional socialists make the claim that capitalism will somehow magically "collapse" one day.

Even when the next economic collapse happens, the economy will rebound again. It's not like capitalism will somehow just disappear.

You religious fundamentalists are delusional?

>next is a socialist revolution.
AHAHAHHAHA
Dude you people are fucking cultists.
Nobody wants to join your cult.
People see the failures.
I mean lets say another small country somewhere has a socialist revolution. It will fail(as centrally planned economies inevitably do) and it will only cement the idea that socialism doesn't work in the minds of people even more.

Nobody wants socialism.

>no argument
LOL

Do you always act like this when your argument gets destroyed?

> wilful ignorance setting set to max
Waste of time.
No, when my argument gets destroyed I rethink my position and more often than not change my opinion. My response now is the kind I give to people who argue in bad faith.

>it's simply that it's not necessary that what will come next is a socialist revolution.
heh I love socialist wishful thinking

It's inevitable right?
Just like the second coming of jesus.

>Actual economists rely on evidence and logic.

I'm fucking dying here dude.

>No, when my argument gets destroyed I rethink my position and more often than not change my opinion.
Clearly not as you weren't able to refute anything I said.

> reading comprehension
See, it's obvious you're not considering anything I say critically and instead are just looking for an excuse to dismiss my point.
I wasted enough effort in my time refuting global warming conspiracy theories to have any left for this.

>marxists rely on evidence and logic
lmao

>See, it's obvious you're not considering anything I say critically and instead are just looking for an excuse to dismiss my point.

I'm just making fun of you for being a cultist.
Nothing in culture or society is "inevitable" you religious fundie.

>marxists rely on evidence and logic

>I wasted enough effort in my time refuting global warming conspiracy theories to have any left for this.
lmao you still have nothing to refute me with

>b-b-buh I don't need to refute you
Yes, yes you do. lol

>get destroyed by huge wall of text refuting what you're saying
>refuse to even debate

Every single fucking leftist does this I swear to fuck.

Just throw them out of helicopters, there's no reason to argue with them.

Capitalism will collapse when labor becomes automated. The days of the working class are numbered

I don't understand how there is question about the point of "They Live". And it certianly isn't communist propaganda.

Thinking that some of the media, advertisers and the super rich work in cahoots to distract the rest of us in society with silly entertainment while they enrich themselves doesn't make me a commie. It makes me realistic, and of the mind that we need, at a minimum, to be aware that this is going on by putting on the glasses.

Then we need to have a 6 and a half minute long alleyway fight.

>Capitalism will collapse when labor becomes automated.
Some labour is already automated and capitalism hasn't collapsed.

In a free market(with no central banking and naturally deflationary currency) when labour becomes automated it forces prices down for consumer and capital goods.

This makes it extremely easy for anyone to start up a new firm as the price of capital is cheap as fuck.

Because of this, high paying service sector jobs will dominate the economy and working hours will be reduced by a lot.

Capitalism isn't going anywhere kiddo it's only just begun.

Man, I just came into this thread, and clicked back to see how you "destroyed" some guy woith a "wall of text".

First moron, using


four lines
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of space every time you type


doesn't equal a "wall of text", you fucking idiot. Holy shit, that is stupid.

Second, you didn't destroy anything. You said absolutlely nothing. To be clear, neither did the guy you were responding to, but if I were you I'd cut the celebration dance short kid.

Holy shit boy are you ever mad.

>neither did the guy you were responding to
You mean (You)?

>oy vey goy it's definitely not about jews now let's talk about how capitalism is good

Nice going JIDF.

> projecting
> lol
Don't use smilies and words like "lol", they show your nervousness.
> doesn't make me a commie
It doesn't, but this point is far lefter than the leftest liberals are comfortable with.
> Then we need to have a 6 and a half minute long alleyway fight.
Watched They Live with my mother, she barely managed to sit through that scene.

The jews benefit from government control more than anything.

Why do you think they love the federal reserve so much?

>Don't use smilies and words like "lol", they show your nervousness.
You're panicking.

lol

>projecting
Coming from the guy that believes in "laws of history" and that an autistic socialist revolution in "inevitable".

Enjoy your religion.

Wealth inequality and automation is the death of capitalism. Eventually robots will be able to do everything humans can but better. Capitalism is going to be starving to death in the streets. Socialism will be living wealthier than the greatest trust fund kid without working a day in your life.

>Wealth inequality
Stupidest and most manipulative statistic ever put forth.
It's virtually meaningless.

The amount of money the super rich has is irrelevant.
The working class already consumes 99% of all consumer goods.

The rich can have trillions of more dollars and it wouldn't change the living standards of the working class.
Idiot.

>automation is the death of capitalism.
I already refuting that. Where's your response?

>Eventually robots will be able to do everything humans can but better.
I know, it's going to be awesome, it's going to mean much much lower prices for consumers, much lower working hours and higher living standards for the working class.

>Socialism will be living wealthier than the greatest trust fund kid
lmao then why the fuck were people mostly poverty ridden in every single socialist country on earth?

Refute my automation argument or shut your face you delusional socialist faggot.
Christ you people never shut up even after getting proven wrong.

Wow, I knew you were fidgety, but I didn't expect you to explode in hysteria.

Someone post the picture of Roddy looking at John's tweet with and without the glasses

>not an argument
lmao

> arguing with someone so clearly delirious
And I'm even not the lad you're replying to, darling.

Hitler was a leftist.

I find it even funnier that the only way rightists can make their side of the spectrum not look bad is by fucking around with definitions.
Left and right have always meant pro-LEF (liberty, equality, fraternity) and anti-LEF, respectively, or, put into more neutral terms, pro- and anti-hierarchy. Hitler was firmly pro-hierarchy, and so was Mussolini.

>Left and right have always meant pro-LEF (liberty, equality, fraternity) and anti-LEF
what kinda drugs are you using senpai

>>this is how bad education in Amerikuka is

no wonder capital is fleeing your country

>>Socialism will be living wealthier than the greatest trust fund kid
>>lmao then why the fuck were people mostly poverty ridden in every single socialist country on earth?
>>Refute my automation argument ..


Ah yes. The empoverished socialist hellholes of Sweden.. Norway.. Finland.. Iceland.. Denmark..

High standards of health, education, and measured happiness all. What a nightmare!

Enjoy your thirdworld kukhole Amerifat.

>The empoverished socialist hellholes of Sweden.. Norway.. Finland.. Iceland.. Denmark..

all soon to be islamist shitholes

>dude fedora glasses lol

USA has a higher percent of muslims than Finland.

In addition to having 40% of niggers and spics.

>Ah yes. The empoverished socialist hellholes of Sweden.. Norway.. Finland.. Iceland.. Denmark..

Jesus christ this is about to get real embarrassing for you.
These places aren't even close to socialist.
If you tell an actual socialist that these countries are socialist they would laugh at you.
They are capitalist countries with strong welfare states.
In fact Sweden and Norway were one of the most capitalist nations for over 100 years until leftists in these countries decided to have welfare states.
ALSO Switzerland is much much better than these countries and it's one of the most capitalist nations on earth. It's far more capitalist than USA is.

I can't fucking BELIEVE people still spew this ridiculous argument.

Just close the tab.

>Iceland
>socialist
Now I know you're trolling.

> They are capitalist countries with strong welfare states.
Yes, and they are also far to the left of most other capitalist countries. The point stands.
> It's far more capitalist than USA is.
Even talking about the privileges Switzerland offers its citizens in a neutral tone will get you branded a commie in the US.
> Sweden and Norway were one of the most capitalist nations
w e w
Did you know that Sweden attempted a complete transition to socialist economy in the eighties? I know for a fact you didn't, or you wouldn't be spouting nonsense such as this.

>Yes, and they are also far to the left
LOL So what?
Why does this matter.
They're not SOCIALIST at all.

In fact their governments spend LESS as a % of gdp than the USA does.

>The point stands.
lmao no it doesn't.
ACTUAL legitimate socialists are mocking you right now.
Sweden and Norway are one of the most capitalist countries on earth. Many countries have welfare states. It doesn't make a country "socialist".

>Even talking about the privileges Switzerland offers its citizens
What privileges? They have much less welfare than Scandinavia.
They also have a PRIVATE healthcare system. They're one of the most capitalist nations on earth and have living standards far better than Scandinavia.
Kill yourself you delusional socialist teenager.

>w e w
You're angry at actual facts and you don't know the history of Sweden.
pdfs.semanticscholar.org/fa26/06d9e6a3b7da6f7fb40339112728dfc980c2.pdf

>Did you know that Sweden attempted a complete transition to socialist economy in the eighties?
Except they didn't. To the extent they tried, it failed so they went back to the mixed economy they are now.

You couldn't be more delusional. Just close the tab.

You realize the shelf of people controlling the capital gets smaller and smaller with each collapse until its totally unsustainable in either direction right?

>Did you know that Sweden attempted a complete transition to socialist economy in the eighties?
Where the fuck does it say this?
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_Sweden
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Sweden_(1945–67)
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Sweden#Post-war_Sweden:_1945

Oh wait, you're a liar and just pulled it out of your ass.

Its hilarious how Sup Forumsyps criticise things like neoliberalism, globalisation, free trade, etc and attribute those things to communism.
Protip - those are all pro capitalist positions, being opposed to those policies means you're opposed to the likes of Reagan - the fucker that introduced it and the reason this movie was made

Lol, no

Weak as shit. You live in a fantasy.

>You realize the shelf of people controlling the capital gets smaller and smaller
No it doesn't.

There's actually far far more capitalists today than there ever were in the 1800s.

Also economic collapses aren't a natural part of capitalism.
They're the result of central banking and government manipulation.

Death of the author is post modernism
Post modernism is a liberal ideology
Make up your fucking mind

>neoliberalism, globalisation, free trade
I'm from Sup Forums and I don't think most of these things are bad.

I think socialists are a cancer on humanity and commit the masses to poverty. It doesn't matter if they're on the left or the right.
Cancer is cancer.

>the fucker that introduced it
LMAO he didn't introduce anything
in fact most of the policies he advocated he didn't even implement.
Do you know he raised taxes and raised regulations?
Do you honestly believe everything is so shit right now thanks to Reagan, while completely ignoring the federal reserve and nixon closing the gold window in 1970?

Why do you base your entire worldview based on a leftist strawman argument.

>t. Someone who has never read an economics book
Guess how neoliberalism that your daddy is dismantling came about? Fucking economic think tanks

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>dude neoliberalism is a real thing and not a leftist strawman argument
>I heard it on bill maher

How does it feel to be a useful idiot that advocates for your own poverty and enslavement?


>an economics book
das kapital is not an economics book, it's a religious text

>which is predicated on stagnation.

Stagnation is fine, that's what you conservatives want anyway.

>das kapital is not an economics book, it's a religious text

And we all know which god you worship

The top image is pretty sad too

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>And we all know which god you worship
>le illuminati eye
Everyone knows marxism was rothschild illuminati shit.
He was the son of a rabbi.

Communism has been tried hundreds of times, it hasn't been implemented.

>Capitalism
I thought it was "corporatism not capitalism" like PJW types preach on and on again

Stupid fucking image.

Is Switzerland a "plutocracy".
I'd rather live in Switzerland than fucking GREECE.

Fuck "social democracy".
Fuck democracy in general actually.

>These places aren't even close to socialist.

But they are in the context of this argument. It's that kind of socialism that you're trying to keep out of America, for some reason.

I'm talking about the almighty dollar you dumb Americunt

yeah too bad you can't just climb over a fence into switzerland, ramirez

Nixons policies were a response to the inevitable collapse of the bretton woods system. As economies grow, more goods are available (i.e white goods, cars, phones, etc) this means people want higher wages so they can buy things. You don't want to increase wages? Then who is going to buy things. You do increase wages? Your profits fall.
Post WW2 saw economies explode and the international keynesian system encouraged restraint until inflation or unemployment went up, in which case you spend in order to encourage economic activity. When the contradictions of growth met with high unemployment AND high inflation, this system fell apart.
Reagans polices- and by the way, reducing spendingand taxes is neoliberal rhetoric, not reality, we just call that libertarianism - saw big businesses and economic growth recover... But by clawing back the welfare state, having a policy of reducing inflation over reducing unemployment, privatising government assets and deregulating the labour market, the average persons life hit a wall. Economic growth doesn't mean jack shit if only CEOs are making big bucks. This has continued to this very day and is why Trump was able to win - no one trusts the government that has repeatedly fucked them with these bullshit policies
The thing is, it is impossible with the social and economic changes of the past 50 years (technology that has increased global interactivity, technology that has made many jobs redundant, equal pay, population increases, increased centralisation into cities etc) to go back to a pre neoliberal era, all that can be done is either keep pursing this system or as Trump is doing, do a shit job fighting it, and see the system collapse - OR establish a completely different system that can actually offer real meritocracy and equality of opportunity.
Or you can just keep pretending to be an expert on econonic history from what you've read on Sup Forums.

>But they are in the context of this argument.
They aren't in the context of this arguement.
We were talking about socialist countries.
Capitalist countries with welfare states are not socialist countries even if you call them socialist.
Man you people are pretty stupid.

>It's that kind of socialism that you're trying to keep out of America, for some reason.
Because it's a complete fucking failure.
Sweden would be far better if they cut taxes, spending and privatized their healthcare system. Like based SWITZERLAND.
You're just angry that switzerland disproves your argument.

I don't worship money, I just think it's pretty cool desu

>defending closing the gold window
>defending keynesian economics
>defending the federal reserve
How big of a cuck can you possibly be?

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I've never watched Bill Maher in my life. Neoliberalism was taught to me at university years before any of this Trump/Clinton nonsense.

had this thread open for three hours waiting for someone to post it so that i can finally save it t b h

>gold standard
>realistic im the 21st century
Lmao
And learn the difference between cause and corellation dipshit.
>implying i support keynesianism or the federal reserve
Also consider learning reading comprehension you fucking troglodyte

>Neoliberalism was taught to me at university

Universities are a bastion of socialist thought.
Why do universities constantly produce socialists?

also neoliberalism isn't even a real thing, it's a socialist buzzword.
Just stop.

Universities are full of liberals.
And no, they are not the same thing. They'll get the bullet too.