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>your country
>Who did you vote for in the 2016 election
America
Trump

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Finland
Hillary Diane Rodham Clinton

Trump was the best thing that could happen to Latin America. Now everyone knows america is evil

Explain without memes.

I would've voted for Doland Drumf

i would`ve voted for Donald Drumf

Norway

Would voted Blonald Blrfrumpfsh

this
fuck blumpf

I'm still waiting for him to nuke North Korea but nothing is happening.

I knew I should've would've voted for Hillary.

Unironicaly drumpf

the non white

I'm not a fascist or a sexist so I'd've voted Madam Clinton

because with Obama he was popular worldwide, and passed down the image that America was the home for everyone giving it an image of how America was good for everyone, which was obviosly not true, since most americans give a shit about other countries to the point of disregarding cultural differences and justificating impoverishing them and puppet stating them for the profit of their own capitalists with the excuse LMAO you are poor b'cause your subhuman when in reality literally all poverty of the American continent has an american finger and a money trail back to the US, be it by drugs, privatization, commodities, military, politics and everything. Trump basically made what the American people think reality while giving hints of going isolationist, basically undermining their globalization project and their influence in LatAm

Why? Things are the same

wrong, Mexico and Brazil are voting commie next year

Also their image is forever shattered especially in Mexico their biggest LatAm ally

>voting
glad trump won, but that's mostly because of people shitting themselves.

And this is supposed to be 'the best thing that could happen to Latin America'?

yeah, since we are gaining back our sovereignty instead of going full neoliberal and wanting the US to reign all over us

We could have prevented this

My condolences

He's a leftist, he's just deluded

It's worked out soooo well for the other latam countries that have done it, right?

So you want to go full protectionist?

America
Clinton and every Democrat who were on the other ballots out of spite.

This pathetic dunce

the best phase of our economic history was literally during "commie" government
No I just don't all of our wealth to live the country and enrich american globalists, I want my country to have global industries capable of competing worldwide, and since our capitalists don't give a shit nor global ones, the best immediate solution would be to have a strong state to kickstart industries with protectionism while being not-protectionist in the areas we already dominate like commodities.

Well what can I say. I hope for your sake that this time the commies don't fuck everything up as they did every other time.

this idiot or I would have written Jim Webb on the ballot

If anything they were so successful they had to coup them out for a pro-US government

Texas
Jeb!

Jared Taylor

Hillary cause she was better than the alternative

Man, last time latam went protectionist moslty all of us fell into crisis

you mean from 2002 until now?

Nope, 1930/1940-1970 (i think you went till 1980) with the isi model

Great Nation Rumania
Jeb!

>protectionist
protectionism is for sissy faggots who know nothing about economics

retake dobruja

America
Trump

>it actually works in real life
what

I don't know about that kkk

this has more to do with China's consumption of commodities then anything else.

Not really, it has to do with the government for the first time using the surplus of commodities to distribute wealth, while on other occasions most of the commodities wealth mainly enriched other countries or the high strata

If anything in 1940-1960 was literally golden age in both Argentina and Brazil. And the protectionism of the old days is different from the protectionism I was talking about. It's not as simple as you are claiming, I mean protectionism to protect newborn industries which still happens in mainly all Mercosur states except for Paraguay

neoliberalism works in real life

Passos Coelho

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along with other commodities focused economies, Australia and Canada.

data.worldbank.org/indicator/NY.GDP.PCAP.CD?locations=AU-CA-1W

you don't need protectionism to make newborn companies grow.

It's the opposite, you need a the market to dictate what were the good and bad practices from said company. Otherwise you're rewarding stupidity, laziness and creating state monopolies.

yes and?
ah yes clearly you don't, hence why almost all countries that are industrialized nowadays did it by opening themselves to foreigners right haha

ah yes clearly a new born country in a third world country without a market and infrastructure can compete with a globalized company from a first world country that got a powerful state endorsing it! I mean clearly free market regulates everything and not just give it all in a silver plate to who is already winning

This

We didnt have one in 2016, but i certainly did not vote for a SOCIALISTE WOMAN during the presidential elections of 2017

that your fortunes and misfortunes are not because of 'commies' or lack of. it's simply because China wasn't buying your shit because it didn't need it. other countries that were dependent on China for their fortunes experienced the same problems as Brazil.

hence

>>best phase of our economic history was literally during "commie" government

was merely coincidence, not necessarily good governance.

Magrebino de merda

Netherlands. Forum for democracy

wrong my friend and you are being too much simple, commodity prices have fluctuated along history and sure we always had good days when it happened, but the difference it was that this was the first time that it was translated to actual country growth and GDP growth since the government actually gave credit lines for the local industry and local market creating a huge consumer maket and an upward spiral of growth. Whereas every single other government like in the military dictatorship used this opportunity to basically enrich those that were already rich and not actually create conditions for consuming nor the development of new industries and infrastructure but just to enrich those that were already rich and that basically controlled the government, aka USA and their friends. Hence why the conditions created by Lula and in a less dimension Dilma basically made our country and GDP per capita grow like never before

t. everyday siesta man

England
Leave the EU

I unironically voted for Bernie. Fuck Hillary that cheating bitch.

and i clearly sourced the the global price index of all commodities. notice how it matches very evenly with Brazil's GDP? also notice how similar countries dependent on commodities followed Brazil example during the commodities downturn?

speculate all you want, but there is no way you can demonstrate precisely how growing GDP can be attributed directly to a 'commie' government and not simply because of favorable world conditions.

You just have to see the facts: Chile: 3% inflation per year, highest HDI in latam, most free-market nation in LatAm, best country to invest in all Latam, etc.

You have ignored once again what have I written, and I am not speculating my friend, I find it funny that you claim you know more about my country to the point of simply ignoring literally facts because you need to prove an agenda
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>Chile: 3% inflation per year, highest HDI in latam, most free-market nation in LatAm, best country to invest in all Latam
pic related, clearly a wealthy country worthy of praise, I mean their industry is so diversified and their GDP per capita is clearly envyable OMG

there was nothing to ignore, you offered no substantiate facts to assist your argument.

you are creating strawmans.

good day mate.

good bye, I hope your faith continue to enlighten your propaganda ways

>2009
As i said, i believe in facts, and it's not just Chile, it's Germany, Australia, China, Japan even Peru who's starting to open his markets to the world will grow 4% this year, more than you and Argentina united

oh wow so you accept that Chile's Exports are shit and literally africa tier but at the same time you disregard a map from 8 years ago? And also accept the fact that Chile and Peru will basically be commodity exporter for the rest of history but it's fine simply because they are US-aligned and their GDP grew positive despite their population still being poor and will probably never ascend to have an advanced economy like Germany or Japan simply because they have never had protectionism and fought the global status quo in some part of their history. But yeah everything is fine when all indexes are good even when it means that your country will be forever poor

Ok, lets say chile's export are shit and he and Peru will always be poor despite their economies are growing and they have a little bit of money because they got better relations with USA, what about Germany Japan, China all those countries are friend of USA or Soros gives them free money?

Or must be the resources they have, right? Because they sure have a lot.

my friend, Germany and Japan literally built their industries in XIX century were nationalism and protectionism were at its peak in the world. Literally the only country that haven't built their industries without protectionism was Great Britain because no other country had industries

And China was so great before open to the world

my friend, China is still protectionist up till this day, protectionism doesn't imply in full blown market control and state planning

>China is still protectionist
"My friend", China is more opened to the world that US nowdays

grumbf

Fuck Brlumpf

ah clearly it is, anyone can set up a factory there anywhere across the country and basically their government is a puppet to foreign investors and global capitalists like the US, also clearly Chinese factories don't have priority over international ones, and clearly Chinese steel and other basic industries are totally inexistent and not protected by the government, I mean all chinese industry is foreign. Just like the US, which basically hosts the biggest number of multinationals HQs of the world and their govenrment basically serves their interests to the point of fucking the home population for it, to the point that almost all home industries from the US are leaving for Mexico and other countries simply because they can and want to exploit cheap labor worldwide to the point of destroying US home soil basic industry. But yeah, China is clearly a free market country and not really using their slave workforce to gain tax money from foreign manufacturers and subsidize their local industry and capitalists in the long run, but to open their richness and market to foreign investors like the US capitalists do to their own country

Also, youre trying to defend that because some countries almost a century ago (century) made their industries with protectionism, well, lets say protectionism worked in 1930, i really doubt that works nowdays

m8, your arguments are so shallow that it hurts. Tell me then, how do you expect a third world country with zero power and infrastructure and consumer market to bring up their local industry and capitalists without protectionism nowadays? I mean clearly a Guatemalan technology company can compete with Apple evenly, I mean you just need to open the market!

No, they need to compete, innovate and invest in a lot of marketing to reach Apple's sales, also, you don't need to force people of your country to buy your national products by putting foreign technology taxes, if the guatemalan company is good, why would you buy Apple's products?

KEK So you actually believe anyone can compete with apple simply because they can? Are you delusional? What you are saying is basically saying a handicapped guy with no legs and arms can win against Phelps in a 50m swimming race with fair rules

Anyone can, Apple is mostly marketing :)

yes clearly is, not really the billions invested in both commodities, basic industry and human capital that any country across the world can mimick easily. Also yeah I don't like apple too :)

>b-but you need infraestructure
nothing that a good credit, some machines (you could buy it from China or Europe, it would be even better if your COUNTRY HAS A TLC WITH THEM SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO PAY THE TAX FOR IMPORTING, and some sales (guess what, you can sell your products to other countries that probably likes your shit more than your own country)) can't fix :)

kek, good credit doesn't make miracles also, good credit can literally only come from the government as banks don't take the risk and basically impose high interest rates because of the risk of failing. Also my friend, machines are easily importable and with low tariffs if there aren't national correspondent to it, also you don't seem to understand how companies work, infrastructure and machinery are literally physical capital and the cost really doesn't matter as you only have to import them once as rentability in the long term will pay for it.
>and some sales (guess what, you can sell your products to other countries that probably likes your shit more than your own country))
When does protectionism stop you from selling to other countries?

America
No one, they all fucking sucked so much dick. I couldn't leave with myself putting any of the four in office.

>Now everyone knows america is evil

You guys had problems with us before. Even when we leave you alone, half of Latin America thinks their own horrible policies and corruption aren't why their country is fucked because "It must be the CIA!"

literally when did you leave us alone?

Memes

>leave
*live
Fucking autocorrect

>literally when did you leave us alone?
Since the end of the cold war we leave most of you alone. Some cases like the embargo Cuba and Obama sending guns to cartels obviously happened but what have we done to you on decades. Hell Maduro thinks we're behind everything....while we keep buying oil from him which is what his economy runs on. Thanks for proving my point though.

Nigga I don't vote