This is a general reminder that the US betrayed a french Republican revolution, in support of Monarchism.
After France bankrupted itself supporting American independence, the US pretended that France was now a 'different country' to which it owned no debt. Never forget Perfidious Burger.
USA owed money to the monarchy. Not Napoleon
Like clockwork
>After France bankrupted itself supporting American independence, the US pretended that France was now a 'different country' to which it owned no debt. Never forget Perfidious Burger.
what argument can you make to say that the French Republic was the same nation as the Kingdom of France? Pretty reasonable to me
Then Nazi Germany is not Post war Germany.
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what argument can you make to say that US under the trump administration is the same nation as the one under president obama? Pretty reasonable to me
The people of France dedicated men, materiel and money to supporting a Republican revolution.
When they attempt the same, the US declares that it has more loyalty to the French monarchy preceding this revolution than the Frenchmen who fought, paid and died for the freedom of the colonies. Could've been a beautiful relationship I imagine, two republican nations hand in hand against tyranny. It's shameful really.
legal precedent for the election, law, etc.
they aren't
But it wasn't you autistic shit
Germany had to pay reps however because it was the people whom started the war.
Reps and debts are two different issues.
If USA owes China ~11 trillion, but Taiwan takes over mainland China, then USA doesn't owe Taiwan monies.
however, if North Korea nuked LA, but in return South Korea annexed them, Korea would need to pay USA reps.
>The people of France dedicated men, materiel and money to supporting a Republican revolution.
>implying they weren't forced into fighting for America
>implying the French gave any shits about USA
>they aren't
Then why did the US force them to pay reparations? because you could?
That sets a dangerous precedent.
>you're not the same nation if we owe you money
>but you ARE the same nation if you owe US money
Maybe because they committed genocide? Or the fact that they started the deadliest war in history? Or the fact that most of Europe was in ruins thanks to them?
You know, any of those reasons
It's always money with you guys
>australians don't understand Yankonomics.
might makes right
It's good to see you've abandoned any semblance of morals then.
Unless you're going to backpedal on your might-makes-right statement?
>morals mattering in politics
user please
I appreciate American people don't get me wrong but the truth is that they always thought of us as their enemy behind closed doors.
>behind closed doors
>implying
Most Americans hated the French.
Some officers even refused to serve if French would also be there
Given that you’ve always think of them the same, it’s not surprising.
Why are americans on Sup Forums so annoying? Most americans in real life are great people, I don't know what happens on this board
Funny isn't it?
You were always the closest thing resembling the US over here.
Not true though
Truth has been spoken!
> upporting people who cut the heads of anyone with divergent views
>*S
>not cutting heads of counter-revolutionaries
Please user, tell when in history you did actually like them.
>You were always the closest thing resembling the US over here.
what do you mean?
monarchy was back for a while after Napoleon
This is how we are in real life. I guess tourists might act differently.
Pretty much all the time actually.
>Americans having any morals ever
t. Santa Anna
>1797
>paying bribes to see the french ambassador or even paying denbts at all
ishygddt
The way you are organized, le mentalitee, etc etc.
I think the US is closer to France than the UK in many many things.
You do realize that's because that shithead John Adams was president, right? When Jefferson was elected he took over and relations with France went back to being positive. Blame Adams.
That’s not at all what your diplomacy those last 2 centuries suggest.
Even among the population French are some of the most anti american people in Western Europe.
To say the least all your government have always deal suspiciously with the Americans.
We take a walk with revolutionaries, but they almost never return.
every aspect of the USA is influenced by UK
t. Thomas Jefferson
Like clockwork
It's true though. Adams was a complete failure both diplomatically and domestically. America's 1st bad president.
THIS is the power of the mutt
whoa
>It's true though. Adams was a complete failure both diplomatically and domestically. America's 1st bad president.
>Even among the population French are some of the most anti american people in Western Europe.
Oh really? well not from what i've seen (i live here btw)
maybe after the depiction they made of us since the iraq war then
No. Not everything.
France as we know it today has been around since the 1950s, they've been through countless governments. USA has been through 1, unless you count the Confederate idiots.
Monarchy France is a very very different nation with different government and culture than Empire France very different nation than Republic 1-4 France etc etc. Just because they are called "France" doesn't make them the same unless modern Rome is the same as Ancient Rome.
name one aspect of American society that has no influence from British society
For people like these, if you are not a Yesman you are automatically an enemy.
Fuck them.
Well if France doesn't like it they can do something about it.
>warn smelly frogs not to trust the americans
>non non ableubleu ribbit
>few years later
>"an american is the born enemy of all the european peoples"—pierre adet, 1796
You are of mixed influence.
I’ve lived in France for 3 years.
You are indeed some of the most anti American people in Western Europe.
I am not saying the average French will automatically hate the average American just that the antiamericanism (including criticizing their system etc...) is very strong in France.
Not really surprising
Remember the USA betray the UK and France after WW2 and even sided with the communists against them to force them to decolonize
A yank has no concept of loyalty, he'd sell his own mother for an easy buck
>France as we know it today has been around since the 1950s
Another screencap?
Another screencap
The whole reason FDR tried so hard to bring the US into WW2 was to topple the colonial empires and bring forth an American century
>economically bully allies to decolonise
>USSR and China fill the void
They did the right thing, Napoleon needed to be stopped
en.wikipedia.org
>he Fifth Republic, France's current republican system of government, was established by Charles de Gaulle under the Constitution of the Fifth Republic on 4 October 1958.
Once again, just because something inhabits the same area of land doesn't make it the same country. Modern France has NOTHING to do with monarchy France. Not in government, not in population, not in culture. I don't even think they share a language, in the monarchy days only 12% of French people spoke French as their primary language. (see en.wikipedia.org
Don't be a fuckhead. They call themselves France the same reason the Holy Roman Empire called themselves Roman.
We paid eventually, with interest
Egypt was easily the most embarrassing one
>muh sovereignty
>becomes a Soviet client state for two decades anyway
is for obviously.
Don't forget the Nixon shock after based De Gaulle woke the world.
you forced the french to decolonise afterwards
the reason our foreign policy is so autistic and inconsistent is because our elections keep flip flopping back and forth between radically different, diametrically opposed political parties.
It's like a shower, where you turn the dial 1/4 of a degree and it goes from burning hot to freeing cold. There is no consistency to the policies, they are not curvilinear
This has literally nothing to do with the debt.
Dont mix things.
This post is so wrong I cannot even begin.
Very disrespectfull to the dead.
They aren't THAT opposed, especially with respect to foreign policy stuff, like Obama didn't greatly break from Bush and most Democrats supported the Iraq War. Trump is his own thing of course.
It was a left wing war after all, run by our left wing parties. Of course they would insist on this
If you look at what the US did under FDR, we rode out on a white horse and knocked out the greatest enemies of Communism. Then we retreated, and left the world to the communists. Recently released documents prove that we not only did nothing to stop the spread of communism in China, but we actively encouraged it. We signed away Eastern Europe to the USSR without a thought. We forced all the European powers to give up their colonies, so that communists could infiltrate them.
Everything FDR did was in the service of global communism.
>power grabs
>refusing to leave office
>breaking the back of the Supreme Court
>price fixing, wage controls, heavy regulations
he was basically the American version of Hugo Chavez
look at how things change as soon as Trump is elected
You do realize that according to you every treaties sign by France before 1958 would have been voided ?
They changed the form of their government, most of their laws remained in force.
If we can indeed discuss about a discontinuity between the French kingdom and the French Republic, the continuity of the French state between the various French republics is not really something that is debatable.
Is this Trudeau's plan? Accumulate a massive amount of debt and then when a Tory or NDP government replaces the current liberal government all thise debts are dissolved?
So france spent 1.3 billion livres on the war
24 livres = 1 Louis_d'or (6.75 grams of Gold)
this gives 1 livres a value of 0.001 ounces of Gold
Making the total debt 12897 ounces
At today's Gold values ($1,294/ounce), this is worth
>$16,692,530
Which actually isn't that much.
But if you calculate the interest (a going rate of 3.875 compounded annually), the total rises to:
>$159,104,357,820
In comparison, under the Marshall Plan, we gave France $24 billion (in today's dollars)
If they choose to honor some treaty or some custom of a predecessor nation that's their own business.
Not the same thing and you know it. More like if the entire Canadian government was entirely overthrown and their whole culture overhauled form the top down.
Your calculation is so off it's laughable
Eight ounces of gold was worth 740 livres
That means 1 livre = 0.0108 ounces of gold and therefore comes to:
$25.4 billion USD at today's gold price
Of course even that's a vastly inaccurate number, but don't fuck around with your
>they only spent 17 million!
America didn't "give" France $24 billion, they invested it in France with many concessions in return
And France didn't "give" USA jack shit ever. The French Monarchy (a totally different country) used the USA as a proxy war between itself and UK.
Ah yes, the US was just used with no real benefit to their people.
Mutually beneficial, same as our money to France or saving their asses twice in WWs. Welcome to the real world lil buddy get over it.
>And France didn't "give" USA jack shit ever
ye except your independence rite
waaahhh muh empire
They owed money to the Bourbouns, not to perfidious Napoleon
>ye except your independence rite
If our own self interest detracts from the Marshall Plan or our role in the World Wars, their self interest detracts from their role in the Revolutionary War. Can't have it both ways dummy.
I fucked up my calculation massively. Here it is again corrected:
france spent 1.3 billion livres on the war
24 livres = 1 Louis_d'or (6.75 grams of Gold)
this gives 1 livres a value of 0.01 ounces of Gold
Making the total debt 12,897,056 ounces
At today's Gold values ($1,294/ounce), this is worth
>$16,692,530,610
or $16 billion
And if you calculate the interest (at a going rate of 3.875 compounded annually), the total rises to:
>$159,000,000,000,000
or $159 trillion
Let's say France was nice and gave us an interest rate of 2% instead, it would be:
>1,970,000,000,000
or $1.97 trillion
The US economy is $18.57 trillion per year
and the US tax revenue is $2.6 trillion per year
the french republic was a massive mistake
XYZ affair, dumbasses
P.S., the brits have still yet to pay us back for WW2. They only finished paying back their WW1 loans in 2015.
nope
adjusted for inflation, we spent $2.4 billion in 2010 USD.
fas.org
quick jewgle says we borrowed about half as much as we spent total