Were the Soviet people betrayed in 1991? That year, a referendum was held...

Were the Soviet people betrayed in 1991? That year, a referendum was held, with the question of "Do you consider necessary the preservation of the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics as a renewed federation of equal sovereign republics in which the rights and freedom of an individual of any nationality will be fully guaranteed?", essentially a referendum on the survival of the USSR. Nearly 80% of people voted to keep the Union together (yes, this includes the other republics, not just the RSFR). Despite this, the USSR fell apart a few months later. Why did this happen despite popular opinion? Who was behind this?

It was boycotted in most republics. Armenia had under 4,000 total votes.

>It was boycotted in most republics
>150 million votes
Is this the famed American """""education"""""?

>Not understanding that Russia SFR had most of the population
Yes Russians voted yes. But Armenia, Estonia, Georgia, Latvia, Lithuania and Moldova all had very low turnout due to boycotts. The only people who really voted were the Russian minorities

>Consequently, in these republics pro-Soviet front-organisations organised voluntary referendums without official sanction.[17][18] Turnout of voting here was considerably less than 50% of the franchised voters of these countries, but this information was not included in the official statement of the Central Commission of the Referendum of USSR.[19]
The image doesn't include those republics as part of the referendum. Regardless, if the coup hadn't happened and the New Union Treaty went through, those republics would have been allowed to leave anyways, making this whole argument a moot point anyways.
In republics that did hold an official referendum (which included vastly more important areas such as the Ukraine), turnout was high and very much in favor of remaining part of the USSR. And before you say "Russian minorities" again, votes in favor of remaining far outnumbered the number of Russians living in said republics. Ukraine was not 70% Russian in 1991 and neither was Azerbaijan.

> Who was behind this?

Their own systemic failures, you fucking mongrel.

Why don't you make an argument instead of being an assblasted faggot that acts like a child?

An argument for WHAT ? The Kremlin elites had a choice : break the USSR apart peacefully OR try to suppress at least 5 revolutions in their republics like they happened in Warsaw pact countries.

We might have ended with a Balkanized Russia with multiple nuclear armed states. Fuck that.

>being an assblasted faggot that acts like a child

Because you're obviously a communist apologist or at least a Russiaboo.

>Were people betrayed?
Yes

>who was behind it?
AmeriKKKa.

so mad

>81936445

WHAT DO RROMANIAN MAN WHEN HE SEES SOMETHING ABOUT RUSSIA????????????????????

BURN HIS OWN HOUSE BY HIS OWN ARSEFIRE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

>An argument for WHAT ? The Kremlin elites had a choice : break the USSR apart peacefully OR try to suppress at least 5 revolutions in their republics like they happened in Warsaw pact countries.
So you're going to just ignore the results of the referendum that I posted? And you're going to blatantly ignore the fact that the New Union Treaty would have allowed them to leave peacefully anyways?
>We might have ended with a Balkanized Russia with multiple nuclear armed states. Fuck that.
Now you're just being delusional.
>Because you're obviously a communist apologist or at least a Russiaboo.
You're the one that's getting irrationally furious because someone dared to say something about the USSR that wasn't straight out of the Black Book. I don't know why you're so mad anyways, Romania wasn't part of the USSR and was free of Ceausescu by 1991 anyways. The Soviet Union wasn't a threat.
>so mad
You're the one that started spamming off topic memes because you got mad that someone suggested that some people liked the USSR.

The Soviet Union was actually friendly. We chanted both for Russia and for the US to save us from Ceausescu in 1991. Cooperation was okay until, for absolutely no reason, they started a war in Moldova.

>And you're going to blatantly ignore the fact that the New Union Treaty would have allowed them to leave peacefully anyways?

>And you're going to blatantly ignore the fact that the New Union Treaty would have allowed them to leave peacefully anyways?
>Now you're just being delusional.

Only you have a monopoly on counterfactual history ?

>Were the Soviet people betrayed in 1991?
Yes
>Why did this happen despite popular opinion? Who was behind this?
A financial and military blackmail by the burgers and yuros probably. Back then the ussr was weakened and needed reform, westerners found they opportunity to tear it apart.
They're still butthurt though because they were impotant and couldn't force Russians to hand over the country on a silver platter.

give up on dem dreams, Ivan. The USSR is never returning, and nor will you return to settle home . You know that.

They were definitely betrayed, america wanted control over the region.

They were betrayed because their oligarchs drained their country dry, just like in Romania after liberalization ? Almost exactly the same ?

They were betrayed when they got the best interests rates from western financial institutions ? Free advice from the best consulting firms in the world ? . Is it America who forced oligarchs to privatize everything and sell it for scrap ?

They were betrayed when they became OSCE members without meeting the criteria ?

And what hard power had the US over Russia in 1991 ? 0. Russia is hard to undermine, but impossible to regime change.

Plus, YOU CANT BE BETRAYED BY YOUR ENEMY. They were righteously betrayed by their own ''people'' because it was an artificial state built on ideology, not national sentiment.

What a meme for contrarian simpletons. You must see that.

I know that, desu the argument between which system is better is a useless argument. People wanted to live a western lifestyle when the union broke off, but instead, they are got jewed by the higher ups. A lot of people are still nostalgic about the Soviet era, and I definitely understand why. Most people here think the us is the defender of peace and justice, but don't know how many time we fucked up other countries.

Meant for

They got jewed because they remained within the Russian sphere of influence.

Every single ex-Soviet or ex-Warsaw pact country that got in the EU and in NATO now enjoys higher standards of living than Russia, actual rule of law and human rights.

Corrupt eurasianism is ripe for destruction, and it will fall too, just like the USSR did.

Stop being a self-flagellating masochistic mongrel and look at things objectively. If the US didn't exist, people in general would still flock away from Russia because their SOCIOPOLITICAL MODEL HAS NOTHING TO OFFER.

corruption
collectivism
inequality
ethnic violence
suppression of speech
suppression of political parties
conspiracy theories
crime
ADIS
alcoholism

and a disdain for objective reality and materialism.

True

American jew media, both liberal and conservative, have succeeded in convincing large swathes of Americans that everything in their foreign policy is wrong.

Russian media is only patriotic we wuzzing (even though they have nothing to show for it) promoting national unity and the defeat of the Western enemy. WHY CANT WE HAVE THE SAME ?

>and a disdain for objective reality and materialism
Kek
Burgers deny climate change and evolution

Yes people were betrayed. It was an internal work we who did this we know why and we'll never forget these traitors.
We will regain what was lost one day, only 20 years passed. It's nothing in terms of history.

>unironically being a neocon
Kill yourself.

go fuck yourself with this shithole

NOTHING could not save USSR !
it was doomed from the beginning.

Will Belarus ever elect another leader? Always wanted to visit Minsk, but I don't want to 'disappear'. We now have a 5 days visa upon arrival.

It pains me that the Soviets didn't go the chinese route. Or at the very least fully incorporate belarus and ukraine into russia.

>but I don't want to 'disappear'
nothing will happen to you
This is not North Korea

it was impossible for many reasons

I'll be in Estonia in December, I want to spend a weekend there.

Riga I liked more than Tallinn