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very good
your knowledge of kanji is right.
皆さん、今日も頑張れ! 応援してるから〜
getting praise by a japanese makes my heart go ドキドキ
なかなか良い勉強をしてますね
ああいやだ、今は失敗してあんたを失望させることになるんじゃないかと心配している
Reposting from last thread
I can speak one on one with Japanese fairly well but when we are in a group and they speak to each other it's much more muffled and slurred and I can hardly make it out. Makes me feel できない
手伝って
お願い
>well, it's not a problem we can really help you wi-
wait a minute, are you just trying to show off?
Showing off that I advertise that I can speak Japanese then show up to a group and can't understand a thing?
I mostly came to complain that I suck, hoping someone might relate.
I've tried using media to help but I feel like media still talks slower and clearer in my opinion.
ok fine, I can't think of anything but maybe trying to look for game shows, youtube videos etc. that involve japanese groups talking
you probably have done that I guess
how did you get to know one japanese, let alone a whole group?
Been trying that too. Maybe I just get overwhelmed, I don't know.
>live in Vancouver, swarming with Japanese.
>Use Meet up.com
Japanese are more social than Canadians I think. I went to meet ups and just got contact info. Have you tried meet ups?
damn I'm jelly 2bh, even though germany is densely populated I still live in the middle of nowhere
if I ever found a japanese here I would have to chain him up in my basement
A lot of them go to Europe as well. You do need a major city though. Another way is through restaurants but you have to be more assertive. I'm usually too shy for that.
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>watching a YouTube video
>they end their introductory line with と思います
>there's almost always a slight pause after the と
>watch anime
>every other sentence ends in から
Listening practice was a mistake.
jesus christ, the autism
proof that the /jp/ thread is better
yea, fighting over grammar terminology, while most likely not being able to construct a single coherent sentence sure is the epitome of efficiently learning a foreign language
>already know all readings for 京
>core didn't include this kanji in any of its cards
What is a good word to add so I can finally end it?
京 (10^16)
未熟なんだね
i see nothing wrong with this. 人の言語は単純なものではありません
京都?
youtube.com
Everyone, everyone is alive
& are friends
We all are alive
We sing because we're alive
We all are alive
We are sad because we're alive
When we try to pass the sun through out palms,
my blood flows deep red
The earthworm, the cricket,
the water snake
everything, everything is alive
& are friends
We all are alive
We laugh because we're alive
We all are alive
We are happy because we're alive
The dragonfly, the frog,
the dragonfly
everything, everything is alive
& are friends
Everyone, everyone is alive
& are friends
>watch anime
heres your problem
im not joking
you do know that most anime tend to butcher the language, right?
そうだが、多くの場合には理論化がただ無用の複雑化になると思う
I don't want to talk like a news caster, but I still need to be able to understand them when I watch the news.
I don't want to talk like an anime hero would, but I still need to be able to understand them when I watch anime.
I don't want to talk like an action movie star, but I still need to be able to understand them when I watch action movies.
I don't want to talk like an ancient samurai, but I still need to be able to understand them when I watch historical drama.
Learning from all of these sources are fine, as INPUT is entirely different than OUTPUT. You should strive to experience a wide variety of inputs to be able to understand things in general.
A lot of anime in particular can have SoL situations too, so it's not that far removed from normal everyday dialogue.
This is an ancient and stupid topic that isn't relevant to the thread.
eh, love you too
the user was complaining about the way they spoke, which means that he probably wasnt advanced enough
I hope I will never see this one in the wild but thanks I will take it.
Too easy
北京
What is the meaning of this image
the image is from Animatrix 2nd Renaissance, the symbol on the right is anki, a vocab learning program
the eyes are dekinai-chan, she's the mascot of DJT and loves to watch japanese beginners fail
in the full english version he says "Your flesh is a relic, a mere vessel. Hand over your flesh and a new world awaits you. We demand it."
here it leaves out the first sentence and sounds more like "hand over everything (and) a magnificent world awaits you. ~Let's make a pact~
so basically dekinai-chan tricking more poor souls into thinking they can learn japanese when they just give their all
Reposting from /djt/
So I started ankidroning a week ago but only yesterday did I really finish reviewing the 20 cards. Is it possible to keep doing new words on the same day without creating a custom deck? Would it be a mistake to bump up the card limit from 20 to 30? Should I just start reading Tae Kim instead for a few hours? Anki grinding was pretty fun yesterday and I feel bad because I left the deck open for a week on my laptop and now my stats are fuddled.
Whatever you do stick with the 20 new cards a day for now. You can change it once you get familiar with your abilities. If you want to learn japanese efficiently you should do anki, read your grammar guide of choice and read native content from day 1 daily.
Just do the 10k core and bump your daily limit to the same amount so you can be fluent in one day.
I'm still memorizing kana atm, once i learn some grammar should i then start doing anki, reading while making a mining deck for the words i don't know when reading?
No. There is a no way you are able to read jack shit at this point. Just get core 2k done, you can start that now.
Once you get to around 1k words in core 2k and read through most of tae kim's grammar guide, you'll be good to read basic children's books.
>you do know that most anime tend to butcher the language, right?
there is a big difference between butchering the language and speaking differently in different contexts
you must be somewhere on the autism spectrum not to understand this
Don't fret the stats. They are just guideposts. The actual knowledge of vocab is more important than anki epeen points.You can do more on a particular day if you want to, go to custom study and then select 'increase today's new card limit' and select however many more you want, for a temporary boost of additional cards. The next day will add the default number from the day before.
Probably but let's be honest children's books are really dull.
news.livedoor.com
Stuff like this is not actually that hard yet is highly interesting.
Yes, they are pretty dull. You should move on past that stuff as quickly as you can, but it's a good meter to whether or not you remember the absolute basics from the grammar guide.
If you aren't feeling up to the task of going through what you'd posted, but still want something not absolute babby tier, I'd recommend NHK's easy version:
www3.nhk.or.jp
Lovely website.
where did the Dekinai-chan character come from, originally?
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did you guys actually all start with anki and DJT? what's you story?
personally I've been learning japanese pretty unsystematically for +6 years shortly some time after I started studying at the university
I started with shitty romaji vocab lists and made hundreds of cue cards out of paper, at this time I just wanted to understand my animu better. After a year of this and shit like rosetta stone I decided to really go for it and bought the first two RTK books, several books in parallel text and grammar books over the next years and also read simple stories for children + torrented shitload of learning material. I made cards for all kanji and now have a giant box filled with paper, took me months to get through with this shit and then another few for RTK2 which was a complete waste of time in hindsight. The parallel text books were way too hard for me at first, but I just forced my way through them.I also started reading manga without any texthooker, looking up each kanji by radicals and I always write down words that I don't know, which is something I still do. I think I've been using anki for only about a year now, so I don't really use it the way it's intended
I've ignored DJT for the longest time and only come here regularly since it's on Sup Forums
anyway, I just realized that I could actually go for N1 with a little bit more focused training, so I think that's what I'll do in 2018
>did you guys actually all start with anki and DJT?
Yes. I read a shitpost in an Sup Forums sales thread that made me learn kana on a whim two years ago. My entire life now revolves around Japanese. Kind of funny to think that if I hadn't clicked that thread and seen some guy's post I wouldn't have done all this.
I missed something when I was going through this section apparently, for normalizing a verb into a noun using の or こと, is it always the dictionary form, or does it change based on politeness (e.g. すること vs しますこと)
It's not specific to の or こと. You don't use ます in relative clauses.
for me it was when my brother was said something along the lines of "you watch so much animu you might as well learn the language" and I thought "actually yea, why not"
Thank you
im using anki with the pictures from the guide and they are getting too distracting for me and making me mess up. if I just delete the picture files would anki still work correctly?
got a blue kanji
>did you guys actually all start with anki and DJT?
Yup, started studying it a bit over 5 years ago using the DJT method. Time fucking flies.
I'm actually pretty glad I started with DJT because it advocates a very input-hypothesis-based method of learning. Sometimes when I look at other places on the internet I see people who have been studying for years but still have not started reading native material.
I just took it for granted that, yeah, you're supposed to start reading native material as early as possible, but that's actually not an idea I see preached in many other places.
It sure does. And yet here we are.
You can do that, but the best way is to just remove the pictures from the template. That way, you can add them back again later if you ever decide you were better of with them.
sure; how about the classic 青 (although it's traditionally more of a blue-green) or the relatively uncommon 藍 (more of an indigo)
I'm a simple man and thus like to dodge all confusion: 真っ青
May god help us all...
Had a Japanese gf and started learning for fun. Her visa expired and I was stuck with this shit now I'm trapped forever. Didn't know there was a djt thread for the longest time. Wasted 1.5 years trying on my own.
I was basically this, the guy who didn't know shit until I came here. You guys need more advertisement. I wasted so much time. Learning 1 kanji a day from a fucking book I paid real life money for.
バンプ
スレッド
死んだ
お休みtomod8
I had known about DJT for a long time but I didn't see any purpose in learning Japanese.
In fact I still don't, but I wanted to learn a new (hard) language, and I had already learned a European language in HS for the most part so I wanted to try something different, particularly an Asian one.
I was deciding between chink or nip, but I always hear about how bad the chinks are so I just decided to do Japanese.
Watched anime until fluency. Found DJT later
same, except i dont really remember spanish despite taking 3 years of it in highschool
J'étudié le français
I've still retained most of it, with some exceptions to more arbitrary words and conjugations and whatnot. I'm also considering relearning it however I'm not sure where to begin, unlike Japanese where I knew these threads would be a huge benefit to me.
Is this legit to say "I'd like to "?
Because that NO seems like bullshit to me...
figured it out
why doesn't your textbook mark long vowels
Apologies for a tech support question
>trying to edit a book in MS Word for readability before reading, changing font, margins, changing a vertical book to left-to-right, etc
This on the screenshot is what furigana looks like
I can't find any way to edit all furigana, its offset, size.
Can't find a way to select and remove all furigana either if a need or want would arise.
Are there a text processors that got convenient tools for working with a japanese text? I never used anything other than Word, OpenOffice and Lexicon.
Because the book is crap and it isn't mine.
css+html can solve your problems.
()
like this or something codepen.io
unfortunately it's not WYSIWYG like Word, and HTML ruby syntax is fugly but it's a symptom of being XML-based. as a side note EPUBs are HTML-based
Thank you, I did sorta what I wanted by opening the book in chrome, doing "inspect element" and changing stuff there.
cyrillic looks weird
this thing Ж somehow always reminds me of pic related
日本で辺に人数が少しは本当ですか?
oops wrong thread
It usually gets associated with a bug in children's word books.
Жyк - bug
I see, I was actually thinking about learning russian once, but there isn't much I could do with it really
Why are cards I add through yomichan off-center?
>鳥
>烏
I always thought that this was easy to remember, because a crow is fully black so you have a full square, whereas the line in 鳥 seperates the area for birds with at least two colors
>熊
>態
>"首を洗って待ってらっしゃい"
I love it that Japanese and Russian, seemingly independently, have almost the same colloquial "vague threat".
Only difference is japanese neck-washing is in preparation to beheading and russian - to being hanged.
Fuck off.
it's just a harmless question, why so mad
We should:
- Spend trillions of dollars working to resurrect Hitler
- Spend trillions of dollars working to resurrect Stalin
- Do nothing
Maybe your card has some weird white space utf characters that cause this issue.
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out of interest, how do you guys handle unsual/uncommon/outdated spellings or kanji etc. for example stuff that gets furigana even for native speakers
persnally I treat them as if they were normal words for the most part
My family name has unusual kanji.
Mine is "わたなべ", which in itself is quite common, but it's spelled as "渡邉", in spite "渡辺" is normal one
As someone who has had to tell people "my name is X but you write it like this, and not in the usual way" hundreds of times, I empathize.
>渡
like 渡る, ok so far so good
>邉
pic related
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渡邉 is so cool.
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俺は田中、山川など書きやすい名を持つ日本人のほうが好きだ