2016

Fact: if a new show introduced a half African American / half Hopi Native american (with a hispanic name) ace police detective as the lead female character, we would be shitting on it already for embarrasing tumblr-pandering

Yes.

Yep.

That's probably true, but everyone bitches about everything. We even make up terms to so we can continue bitching about the same things over and over again

but she's cute though. Sup Forums would be divided on this issue.

not when it isn't a defining character trait. We didn't know anything about her parents ethnicity until long into season 2.
Her skin was slightly tanned, that is all we knew about her in regards to her ethnicity

Because the new show would make it a huge deal and would talk about the detective's ethnicity and gender all the time and make it a focal point

I actually thought she was Hispanic before it showed her mom and dad.
No, a new COMIC would make it a huge deal.
In a children's cartoon she would simply be present to show how progressive the network is and her race would never be remarked upon because you have to protect children from difficult concepts like racism and bigotry and violence and sexuality and pooping otherwise they might get confused and become terrorists when they get older!

Depends on how it's handled and revealed. From the first episode, her name was Elisa Maza, she was a NY cop. Her hair was black, her skin was medium-brown. That was cool and normal and fine.

If it had been her jumping on a cop car's roof and yelling "FREEZE! ELISA MAZA! NYPD! NATIVE /AFRICAN AMERICAN LAW ENFORCEMENT LADY!"
Well, we would be mildly upset.

We saw both her parents near the end of season one. Her brother wanted to get a job with Xanatos and there was a gag where their father agreed with Elisa and their mother agreed with Derek and they both thought the other would have the opposite opinion.
>her race would never be remarked upon
That's a good thing because that kind of thing usually comes across as hamfisted preaching.

>We saw both her parents near the end of season one
yes, but they never explained what ethnicity they were, heck, they had almost the same skin color. As a kid, a non-american that is, i thought that was simply an acceptable shade of skin color for any non-african person, thus was quite confused when they revealed her mother was technically black

look at pic related, does this look like a "black" woman to you?

Yep, it's in the nose. Derek definitely reads as black.

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She's hot and it was never a huge plot point so it would've been fine.

Most importantly, she's hot.

Elisa Maza is waifu material.

the high fade flat top helps

Gargoyles being folded over into Marvel/MCU movie when? Or at least a live-action Disney movie?

>look at pic related, does this look like a "black" woman to you?

Yep. Hair and earrings are tells, and skin tone.

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>hispanic
Originally she was, with the surname Chavez, but when Salli Richardson was cast as her VA they changed it because Salli has a native/black mother and a white father. I imagine Elisa's parents have just enough white in them to make her look as she does.

Welp, forgot pic.

Her boss was named Maria Chavez though, they really wanted to use that name

Reminder to buy the Gargoyles pilot Cinestory when it comes out, so Weisman can convince Joe Books to let him do an ongoing.

Her brother showed up in s1 and he was obviously black. I remember that confused me as a kid

>ace
Is this ace as in asexual or ace as in highly competent?

>$30 for a comic adaptation made with screenshots
Ehhhhhh....

As a black guy, yes she does. All that mingling with whitey has given us a great variety of shades

This.

Only because if she didn't have a white voice actor pushing a terrible accent, she'd be voiced by Cree Summers.

>Only because if she didn't have a white voice actor pushing a terrible accent

She was born in NY and spent all of her life there, she'd have the terrible local accent by default.

name one show that does this

She had like 3 episodes about both sides of her heritage during that world travelling arc

> Dat 90s Power Lady look / Captain Janeway hairdo combo

Of course. Sup Forums goes out of its way to look for something to be offended by.

Sad but true.

Yupp Tumblr ruined female characters for me

Nah, no matter how long it took to introduce Sup Forums would call it pandering. If it wasn't mentioned until the very end Sup Forums would say it was thrown in at the last second to pander.

This was true for Korra.

But she's delicious brown, attractive, is an action show, well made and animated and doesn't push politics into it.
Like hell Sup Forums would protest it.
You don't honestly believe that do you?

you can't prove shit, faggot

Fact: if the internet had developed the same level of accessibility and connectivity we "enjoy" today back when Gargoyles first aired, the show would not have even made it past Season 2.

She looks like a tan white person.

The best kind of minority, I think.

Fact: Any character in any show will cause many people to bitch, regardless of race, gender, size, religion, etc. Bitching about these things one way or the other is a part of the human condition.

That's a good thing because season 3 fired the crew and replaced them with Disney yes-men who made a bad show.

There is literally no way to create something without somebody, somewhere bitching about it.

Did anyone else think her voice actress was always phoning it in? It was especially noticeable next to Kieth David's great acting

Well, yeah. But also because so many people in recent years have made such a big fuss about minority representation, and how important it really is and how evil you are when you don't fill the minority-quota on your show etc.
When Gargoyles aired none of this was going on, so she was just another character that happened to have an interesting ethnicity. There was hardly any focus on that, she was her own character.

Sadly, now most of the time if there's a minority/LGBQT character added to a show, it's simply to go "yeah, so what I like to suck cocks and don't talk about anything else, it's somehow my defining personality trait and should be respected and acknowledged at all times!" while decent writing would have prevented this "minority-representation" from being and evil/scary thing in the first place.

Oh look, Asami with brown eyes.

Fact: Elisa's character never revolved around her heritage and any time it was mentioned it was done naturally. Were it released today it would be the tag line for the show.

Yep, not even mad she ended up with Asami but more so the fact it was thrown in as an "apology" for not writing a good female character for 4 seasons.

More blame probably on the voice director. Keith David gives off a naturally empowering voice but you also had a great cast from Star Trek, Ed Asner, and accomplished VA Jeff Bennett who didn't get the opportunity to really shine.

Her race wasn't shoved into our face the first instant we saw her. The creators also weren't very vocally beating themselves for being so racially diverse.

They added someone of color without being. She's also not just a rebooted super hero given a new skin color. that always pisses me off.

They even subtly implied a ever so progressive these days mixed race relationship between her and Goliath that was natural enough not to even matter.

this whole post is riddled with errors but i can't be assed to delete it and retype it.

Ah, back when writing meant something just had to be generally well-written to succeed, instead of pandering to a loud minority on the internet.

Quick question, why is it only minority characters that have to justify their presence in a story?

Every character does, what are you even talking about?

Maybe, since retards tend to cry out whenever they can, but that doesn't mean it can't be enjoyed or people won't like the character. Just look at Kmala Khan

because they're a hot button "issue" nowadays and a minority so people have a hard time buying they just so happened to make a non white character unless of course they're from a non white culture/country.

I blame all the websites who use "omg Thor is a woman now!!!" as clickbait.

Races and genders of characters wasn't always a big deal until they turned into marketing tools, and these characters were being introduced to casuals defined primarily by their race/gender/sexuality/whatever.

For some reason as a kid I thought she was asian

Wasn't she Allison in Eureka?

Weisman does minority representation right. He's not bragging about doing it and being an attention whore like Bryke or anything. Even in his newest comic, he just quietly revealed Nightmask was bi and didn't make a big fuss about it.

Meh people were bitching about blaqualad until they decided they liked blaqualad.
And nobody even knows that comic exists.
It's all basically a matter of
>I like thing therefore, thing thing does is okay
>I don't like thing therefore everything it does is shit, in fact its shit because they decided to make it shit.
I mean his Spider-man did tons of raceswaps, had a bunch of interracial relationships, no one cared...then again social justice horseshit wasn't as big a deal back then so who the fuck knows.
I miss spectacular Spider-man.

Hey, I remember that show. That was Gargoyles, right? Kewl show.

I'm not american so I don't care about the use of afro-americans and natives in cartoons and the asociated tropes.
Except that alien that oozed sassy black woman in The Force Awakens. Way to break my immersion.

That kind of PR is particularly annonying.

>divided
That shitty meme, and you want to act like enough of us "literally me" like you do to consider us divided.

Stick to your dunce corner, please.

Every character has to justify its presence in a story.
The issue with some minority characters is that they are part of a minority before being a character for the show. They don't serve the story, they serve a RL agenda.

Imagine if Wakfu got a black character. Not someone with black skin, it already got tons of that, but a "character from black minority (african american equivalent) with all the implications". It would bring new storylines, with the chances that it's badly done or that other storylines get unfinished because of it. Things like that are especially jarring in settings unrelated to our own world.
Ofc a character from a minority can be a good character, but most of the time it won't come from his minority status; unless it's the purpose of the show to explore such issues and relationships.

AMBIGUOUSLY BROWN

LAZY PANDERING

Tan whites are a minority where you live? Everyone is like this in my country.

I thought she's Greek.

Does it really matter?

Xanatos IS greek. Look at that magnificent swarthy bastard

Kali Reis is an American professional female boxer. She is the first professional Native American boxer to hail from New England, and the first Native American fighter to win the International Boxing Association (IBA) middleweight crown.

>My headcanon makes all of the Sadidas black

Also
All of the Evangelines are white
All of the Pinpins are arab
All of the Adamai's are asians
All of the Yugo's are furries and
All of the Ruel's are skinflints

Most people thought Kaldur was just a race-swapped Garth. It wasn't until it was revealed he was just a brand-new character that people stopped raging about him.

Hilariously steven universe does the former,

For all the talk about how pandering it is, it has yet to EVER verbally make mention of ethnicity or gender in any real or tangible way as far as I know.

That's fine, the problem is when that's a main plot of her character. Some development or getting in touch with her heritage is fine. She wasn't the "minority" character, she was her own character first and foremost.

I was more thinking of the Osamodas and Flaqueux. A couple background characters too.
But most classes actually have pitch black skin options in the game.

>All of the Adamai's are shit
better

Because white is default. Pandering to them is expected, but doing so with anyone else draws focus away from white people which is wrong.

Yes, Adamai is truly shit.

>does this look like a "black" woman to you?

Yes?

What do I win?

Can it really be said to be pandering if it's the default? Pandering implies going out of your way to do something.

Not to get to pol or some shit but a mixed girls are the best girls.

It's almost like people on this board are idiots...

A sassy high yellow Goblin Lady in a direct position of authority as a supporting character.

She looks multiracial like someone from Brazil. It may have been intentional because at the time that this show was airing, characters were generally just depicted as being one race.

I don't want to enable "muh tumblr" faggots, but back then they included them because they made good characters in the story. Now they include them because they need a quota for some audience they know is gonna be watching.

And "you don't like it = bigotry" wasn't used as a defense back then.

Agreed

God I love her. Takes no shit and gives no fucks.

Weisman was a SJW before SJWs existed in the popular consciousness.

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Yep...

Race, gender etc. can be a defining character trait and still work. The problem arises when it becomes some ham handed attempt at pandering.

>subtly implied a ever so progressive these days mixed race relationship between her and Goliath

And then confirmed after the fact.

Someone has that screencap, right?

For some reason people have really hard times with the idea of light skinned black people

Well they're called blacks. The name is misleading when they aren't even dark.

Most unmixed blacks are still just a deep brown, some are even a much lighter brown. Black was always just racial shorthand like white. At this point in time it just means a noticeable amount of subsaharan african ancestry even when admixed heavily with other races.

I'm sure we'd roll out the usual complaints.

"Her linereading was terrible"
"She's a selfish bitch"
"She demands to be the center of attention"
"She's a stupid bitch and should get out of Goliath's way"

Wait, what? I thought she was Latino because of that whole skin tone and name. Did they just change their minds randomly in the show's run?

>not when it isn't a defining character trait. We didn't know anything about her parents ethnicity until long into season 2.
You're right, but people still would have hated her anyway. Her being Nigerian/Hopi Native American would have had people calling TUMBLRRRRRRRRRRRRRR from the goddamn heavens

You can't tell me that people wouldn't be calling this pandering.