Why is China growing so much faster than India? I'm not shilling or anything...

Why is China growing so much faster than India? I'm not shilling or anything, its just strange to me that a free and democratic nation with a 20 year head start and supported by the rest of the world can lose so badly to a communist nation hated by all the developed word.

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china fakes its statistics just as the soviet union to make the world believe they're a superpower while they're a poor shithole

>he believes in chinese statistics

they have 20 average IQ points more than indians

success breeds jealousy

>hated by all the developed word
Only butthurt westerners hate China.

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My sister taught French there for like 6 months and she said "I don't think people realize just how fucked up China is"

Because China is artificially building up it's economy with mountains of debt and poor investment.

China is still poor as fuck.

i didn't think it was that bad
t. chinese

>taking namefags seriously
how nu r u

the bottom should be debt per capita or the y-axis should be GDP

>with a 20 year head start

WTF are you talking about?

China opened up their economy in the 1970s.

India only abandoned state socialism in 1991.

India was also ideologically closer to the Communist USSR than China during the later half of the Cold War.

Oh. One guy thinks China isnt bad. My mistake then.

>china FAKE NOOS

but your post also only cited the experience of one person...

>implying China has been communist since the 80's
>implying the West has supported India over China since Deng's reforms
India suppresses mechanization because village industry would be killed instantly and they'd have several million people out of a job overnight. They've done that shit with textiles since the 70's or so. Their rivers are also less suitable for industrial and commercial use than China's so it's a lot harder for them to get their shit to port

It isn't, my family in China has more money than my us family
t.Chinese

"Trust me, all the major financial analysts are stoopid and controlled by chinese jews, China isn't improving even though the rest of the world says otherwise"

That's how stupid you sound

China has been really stable for decades, being an authoritarian State and having no serious armed conflicts. IMO the one-child policy also helped in the medium run (it's hard to make a country efficient when you're constantly trying to satisfy an exponentially increasing demand), even though it may have serious consequences in the forthcoming decades.

India is a democracy and is therefore more prone to frequent policy changes, which doesn't encourage investments. India is also more prone to armed conflicts, either internal or with the neighboring countries, and its demographics is out of control. India in general also invested a lot less in education and infrastructures compared to China.

>supported by the rest of the world

WTF?!

The Western world literally armed and supported Pakistan and Bangladeshi Islamists in the wars against India. They killed hundreds of thousands of Bengali and Kashmiri Hindus.

Even today India is geopolitically closer to Russia than to the US and Europe.

china more investor friendly + closer to americas by sea

This desu.

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Do you honestly think that Africans are Down Syndrome tier? That they can't have conversations, read, learn to drive?
Or what about Arabs having a slow IQ of 85? How do you think that they advanced algebra?

>Genetically-determined IQ is the reason China and India was equally bad 35 years ago

Go back to Sup Forums

Arabs are literally and unironically inbred

That map and argument is pseudo-science to make white underachievers feel better about themselves.

China is a more industrious nation. It's about mentality of the people. They are fine living under rule and in order and having a little work-slavery. It's always been like this throughout history.

why doesn't china want our exports and why do they lash out when we suggest taxing their exports?

>Be China, 1800s
>Get fucked in ass by Western powers with opium wars and land grabs
> 1900s gets raped and pillaged by Japs (Nanking, etc.) enough to have civil war right after
>Be India, 1700s
>Conquered by bongs, stablized
>Get peaceful Independence and gibs like health facilities and infrastructure from bongs
>China still gets much better than India
>Is based on opportunity, not ability r-right?

The graph tells you everything. Till 1991, the statistics are the same with China ahead due to better policies in 1970s.

1991, USSR collapses, opening up the world to capitalism, China’s existing framework allowed it to capitalise whereas India’s existing framework was shit and didn’t change the system after the fact

China has a strong political structure with clear goals, no religious bullshit (aside from the Uighurs) and the average IQ is simply higher than India's.

India is not supported by the rest of the world though.

The relationship between India and the west is ambiguous. India was a third world country but it has inkling of socialism. More importantly I don't think the US in particular likes to see India getting stronger.

Also doesn't the US work with China much more than they do with India? They certainly trade much more with China.

China has repeatedly been caught over-inflating their economic statistics and flat out admitted it in some instances. They also have near zero transparency and all creditors think their financial system is both unreliable and unstable.

china was a backwards shithole since the 1400s. your IQ means nothing

India has alienated everyone right from the beginning. I have no idea for what joy. It’s like India liked swimming in their own filth and shit for decades.

I seriously have no clue. It make me sick. It’s not socialist/communist, it’s just chaos. The equipments and systems used are still what the British employed 100 years ago.

woah....

Doesn't refute my point

>China has repeatedly been caught over-inflating their economic statistics and flat out admitted it in some instances. They also have near zero transparency and all creditors think their financial system is both unreliable and unstable.
Statistical inaccuracies are different from denying tout-court Chinese development, which is visible to anyone who visits any Chinese coastal city. Also the thread was about the reasons why China is developing faster than fucking India. India, for fuck's sake.

China is always supposed to be a global economic powrhouse. In the era of Qing Empire the economy consisted 80% of the world. There are some reasons why Napoleon dipicited China as "a sleeping giant".

Since this is a China v India comparison, I don’t think you realise just how deep the bureaucracy and curroption is in India.

The Indians took the worst of the British system of governance and amplied all the worst aspects, Increased goverment intervention in everything, increased social welfare, fucking businesses in their asses. India falls behind every metric I have ever seen, its not funny, ranked bottom in economic freedom, no participation in international copyright discussions, lack of justice system to protect patents, everything.

>Creditors discourage investment in China as it is unstable
>China's debt is increasing very fast
Hmmm

I'm not surprised. China's rapid economic growth means that anybody who has slightly educated and not retarded has become fabulously wealthy. All jokes aside, China's a nice place, the public transportation was very convenient.
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India's problems are mostly that it's 30 nations rather than one. China has generally been a cohesive nation-state for most of its history with a writing system (if not a spoken language) that can be understood across the country.

Having said that, user is correct that a lot of China's stats are invented out of whole cloth by the CCP and should not be trusted. Also if you go away from the coastal cities (which are mainly showpieces for foreign visitors), the interior is barely any more developed than India.

>coastal cities (which are mainly showpieces for foreign visitors)
Excuse me what?

>Mfw I lost my feeling algorithim

CCP has historically (and this was true in the Mao era as well) invested considerable amounts of money in Beijing and Shanghai, they always get the major construction projects, best-provisioned shops, and the best available infrastructure while interior areas are much less developed.

Once you get past the shiny glass towers in Shanghai, you'll see a lot of really grungy, impoverished Third World shantytowns and old gray cement commie buildings.

at least it didn't glitch out

Are you saying that India doesn't make up their own stats?
Give the average level of Indian delusion, I'd say some hardcore false propaganda is going on in there.

No shit Sherlock, the coast is where the population at. Even cities such as Wenzhou and Fuzhou are way more developed than fucking India.

Even in Spain the most developed cities are on the coast except for Madrid, doesn't really mean shit apart from the population density.

>Mfw flayed bros won't shut up about their “gucci skin”

>I don't understand what the mean, median, mode, and outliers are.
Ok.
>Because more than one variable is involved, the variable that scares me just doesn't exist.
Ok.
Then why do Orientals and European Jews score higher than us? I dunno, facts?
That's obviously not true. Nothing particularly different happened in 1400, what are you talking about?

>Get peaceful Independence and gibs like health facilities and infrastructure from bongs

Not a single truth in that whole sentence.

There is no way they interviewed 7 billion people. No one came and asked my iq. I am pretty sure they landed in bumfuckpur and interviewed 300 people and extrapolated it to 1 billion people. Not that i care. I hate this country

I did not know this, I thought that China had good debt accounts.
This means that the moment Western factories move to poorer / more productive countries, China will find itself in a very big problem.

GDP growth and energy use is directly linked and China is opening a new coal power plant every week since 199 or some shit

>China is a more industrious nation.
It's more industrialized. India still has 70% of the population living in rural areas. China's intent is to have 70% of it's population in urban areas in within the next decade.

My dad went to shenzen about a decade ago. He's surprised how well developed it is.
China is truly a superpower. With such a huge population they are actually doing very very well.

China has been adding absolute FUCKloads of debt since the 2008 crisis and all they have to show for it is some overpriced crumbling apartments

Chink who lived in China for 3 years, feel free to ama.

Good thing they make deals that involve a high degree of technology sharing huh?

And even then, China has to import 80% of its energy needs from the ME through the strait of Malacca as opposed to India's 45% dependency, and India has the added benefit of not having the strait be a choke point for them.

>China's intent is to have 70% of it's population in urban areas in within the next decade.
It's a catch 22. China needs to keep industrializing as it modernizes rural areas and raise standards of living, but that very process threatens food production. According to the agriculture minister of China, more than 40% or arable land is polluted or has thinning top soil, and the Yellow river basin and Yangtze rivers subject to terrible toxic waste pollution. It's likely China will have to import a good chunk of food to keep its population fed or risk another famine. Either way, it puts China in a really bad position, reliance on other countries to keep everyone fed, or a starving and socially unrestful populace.

>And even then, China has to import 80% of its energy needs from the ME through the strait of Malacca as opposed to India's 45% dependency, and India has the added benefit of not having the strait be a choke point for them

One of their mega projects nearing completion is the pakistan corridor, so they can bypass that whole area

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China–Pakistan_Economic_Corridor

I have a friend from Pakistan and he said there's entire towns of just Chinese people settling in Pakistan now which is pretty crazy

IQ doesn't matter in a primitive traditionalist society. It's more about family lines, honor, tradition....etc.

IQ really starts to matter in a modern economy. Once China implemented their economic reforms to allow competition, they took off like a rocketship

你住在哪儿?你是海外华人还是中国人?

>Once China implemented their economic reforms to allow competition
That's not really true though, China still very much has a planned economy where the CCP controls everything. Almost all financial institutions are state owned and industrial enterprises mostly all have ties to the army or the party. Small business is allowed since the 80s but all larger economic shit is controlled by the party. In addition, private enterprise only exists with the grace of the CCP and they may suppress and confiscate it any time they want with no right of appeal or legal recourse.

>One of their mega projects nearing completion is the pakistan corridor, so they can bypass that whole area
It's quite a good idea I think, but the biggest hurdle is that land based transport is times more expensive than sea based transport (Russia is a good example of this). They might avoid the strait being a choke point, but it'll cause the price of oil and energy production to increase to who knows how much. And highways are much more vulnerable to attack and infrastructure damage in wartime than sea routes too, especially with Pakistans stronger, larger neighbor, India barely a few hundred kilometers from it.

It's a good idea and it'll help Chinas reliance on the strait, but it's not a fool proof plan, it's why at the same time, China is attempting to create a blue water navy to patrol the strait and the south china sea so they dont get stuck energy-less, which is certain to fuck things up.

Shill.

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A superpower requires four things. It needs economic power, it needs cultural power, it needs military power, and it needs diplomatic power. Let's look at China carefully.

>economic power
Eh they have a fair bit of that but mostly as sweatshop labor, they haven't shown any ability to innovate or create world-class products.
>military power
China has a big army with nukes but it's basically an internal security force with no reach outside their borders.
>diplomatic power
Similar. China at best is a regional power, they don't have much diplomatic pull outside East Asia.
>cultural power
404 not found. They virtually destroyed their own culture with Mao's retardation. Chinese media is almost 100% for the domestic market and much of it is just propaganda or historical dramas that aren't sellable to the outside world. Name a Chinese movie, TV show, or book...oh no, you can't.

>Get peaceful Independence
Replace peaceful with any other horrible word and you're okay.

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chinks btfo

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culture and history

Japan has economic and cultural power, they have no diplomatic or military power. Germany has economic and cultural power, no diplomatic or military power. Therefore these cunts cannot be superpowers. Only the US and (if you want to stretch it) Britain can claim they have all four.

>Name a Chinese movie, TV show, or book...oh no, you can't.

Crouching tiger hidden dragon.

Indian geography is naturally divisive and isolated, which makes development comparatively expensive. Ironically, the most efficient use of India's land is subsistence farming. It's not good for much else.

Are you dumb? Every country that borders China hates them.

that's actually kind of funny, the same can be said about America too. the irony.

You gotta be Amerimutt-tier deluded to think China's economic progress is "fake." Did both of you go to a Trump-approved Bible school?

China is socialist, not communist. It is only communist in the sense that it is led by a communist party.

China is a dire shithole
Their per capita figures are sub-Caribbean and Kazakhstan tier

Because everything else in China sucks donkey dick and India is full of corrupt bureaucracy, pollution, and literal mouth breathing lead chip snacking street shitting retards who worship fucking toilets. Plus the Boomers outsourced a lot of industry to China which pretty much saved them from collapse.

>china
>communist

it's socialist, not communist. communism is the end goal. a long term one.

India is a Democracy
that's why

>Be vietnam
>raped by US less then 50 years ago
>Gommunist
>Loves Amerifats more than Nips and Gooks

This is probably the most accurate response on this thread. Socialism after independence in 1947 fucked up any chances that India was going to be a developed nation before the end of the 20th century.