Alien Covenant

I think I figured it out. Some of these thoughts are not mine, but I put together a theory:

- The black goo is the technological apparatus of the engineers, just like how we have digital/electronic tech. The black goo is a programmable nanobot that they use for almost everything in their civilization. The goo in the jars simply don't have any programming, so it works like a virus. Notice how organic their technological applications are, the interior of their ships look organic, their space suits look like the skin of some other creature, etc.

- The engineer in pic related is an artificial one. We humans created androids from microchips and electromotors. What if they created their own "androids" but with black goo tech, so it still appears organic? Our android, David, decided that we are not worthy and wanted to kill us. What if the same happened to the engineers as well? We know that an outbreak happened in the black goo research facility, but why was that one engineer already in safety in a stasis cell when everyone else was inside the building? What if he released the black goo himself, killing the real engineers because he found them unworthy as his masters? Notice that the engineer head they recover doesn't look like the living one in the ship, it looks more like the "engineers" in Covenant.

The same happened to the engineers that happened to us, David just repeats the same cycle that already happened in the galaxy once.

that sounds way too competent and well put together for Ridley or Lindelof to be involved

>ancientaliens.jpg

Stop trying to make Prometheus/Alien Covenant seem smart. They just aren't.

Sounds kinda like Nier Automata

Made me think

But why does it create aliens instead of just killing people outright?

Movie was irredeemable shit. Probably the worst movie I've ever seen in theatre.

Really good theory desu. Likely nowhere near the truth though

That's more like the story of Soma, not Alien.

> (OP)
>that sounds way too competent and well put together for Ridley or Lindelof to be involved


This

>that sounds way too competent and well put together for Ridley or Lindelof to be involved
sadly true

JUST

wheat isn't artificial or come from fucking black goo

>It's an OP overthinks a dumb alien prequel full of retarded things happening

Literally At The Mountains Of Madness

That actually sounds like a good twist, too bad the hack ridley would never think of this

There is no rhyme or reason between the goo changes from Prometheus to Covenant, Ridley just realized when storyboarding that the bombing concept can't work with liquid so he changed it into a magical explodey airborne pathogen that chases down every living thing instantly without taking up too much screen time.

>hypothesize about what some demented, senile Alzheimer fart fuck pulled out of his ass
I don't know who is more retarded, Ridley or people like you.

If he was a robot then how come an organic alien could come out of him?

Nice theory though.

Should have just showed them releasing the goo higher in the planet, then descending, as they come into view the engineers are initially looking at the ship in admiration/awe/whatever

then the dispersed goo in the atmosphere stars to melt them all and or turn them into monsters. There should have been an scene showing the resulting mess of monsters killing each other as well as hunting down any life that wasnt exposed during the bombing for whatever reason.

I would prefer the scene to be gone altogether. Such mass destruction is better left up to the imagination because the the sweeping camerawork, complex CGI and exaggerated expressions of pain just made it feel corny at best.

Prometheus critics forced his hand though, Ridley didn't want to be accused of leaving more large gaps in the plot.

I always figured the black goo is essentially the Thing or Zerg. It's its own creature, who knows when/how/where the Engineers found the original black goo, but it assimilates whatever it can gets it's hands on, adds the victim's biomass to it's own and then propagates more black goo biomass. Any single cell of black goo is capable of assimilating an entire planet, just like The Thing.

Too much happens off screen already. Maybe david catches a glimps of a proper alien that occurs by accident in all the carnage and recreating that is his inspiration.

Its said by David that it dissolves on contact with air giving it a very limited life span outside of the jars.

Its a mutation weapon for killing but not propagating itself. Some creatures it kills on contact, others it mutates into monsters.

Nice head canon, faggot.
It's a plot device so the kikes behind this shit can just make up anything they like and chalk it up to muh goo.

Every day on Sup Forums is a new comfy Prometheus/Covenant thread. I have never been this comfy before.

Could such a thing even be possible?

Prometheus had some pretty cool concepts and the fanedits make far more sense than whatever scott cooked up in his demented mind.

Maybe he left things so ambigous so people would try to come up with explanations that he could use in the next movie? Nah, sounds too crazy.

The most terrifying aspect of the black goo is its use as a plot device.

Also

You a faggot

Most of them are marketing threads.

>fanedits
Garbage, I can't comprehend why anyone would mix workprint quality material to a finished film and call it watchable.

the fanedits just used deleted scenes that he put on the blu ray.
Giftbearer makes the characters of Vickers and Weyland far better and the extra scenes of the engineers are so tantalisingly good.

because the theatric version suffers from big gaps that were made to shorten the movie's running time?

Yeah. It's just going to be 'a bioweapon' never explained. The next movies are going to be about david and the alien over and over again. Jump scares, cliches from the originals.

there were plenty back in 2012.

i just kinda wish people weren't this negative, covenant is a solid 8/10. it doesn't matter if the canon changed somewhat, there being a queen in aliens is just another continuation of the life cycle after david. doesn't mess up anything.

the only thing lacking in the movie were character exposition / building (especially the fucking pilot chick who slipped on the blood, jesus christ how incompetent can you be) - and how the actualy exploration of the ALIEN planet was very casual and fast. i would have loved to see them study the flora and fauna for a longer time before shit goes down, also there not being any birds / carnivores / bugs etc doesn't make any sense.

what a shame. David creating the classic xeno absolutely ruined the mythos of both the original AND prometheus.

>the last line
the black goo would get them

I've seen all the extra material, none of it is too important to warrant restoring it.

Fans cutting down movies is acceptable if you can retain smooth transitions from scene to scene, but studios rarely get deleted scenes up to the same level of quality as the feature so throwing that shit back into the mix is a terrible idea.

It fleshes out the character of Weyland, Vickers, Janeck and actually shows that the Engineer is capable of being more than a big brute that punches shit.

Ever heard of replicants?

>lets introduce everything from another universe
Ever heard of the Terminators?

If you're talking about the TED talk then it destroys the majesty of the excellent opening by preceding it with 3 minutes of dry philosophical rambling. You already know the Engineers are capable of constructive through after the first one sacrifices himself to seed life. Vickers' and Janeck's additions are extraneous.

Sacrificing tone, pacing and aesthetics for raw quantity of information is why only autists gobble these things up.

>What if they created their own "androids" but with black goo tech, so it still appears organic?
If the black goo is really capable of what you suggest, then making an engineer android is wholly unnecessary. They could genetically program a real, organic one from the ground-up like you would code a computer program.

What's got me curious is the pilots' biomechanical suits and how seamless they are with their flesh. It looks like it was literally just hacked into the genetic code of a pre-existing lifeform, with weird Matrix-like jacks to interface with their ships. Literally bio-engineered to be compatible with their technology. I'm a little disappointed that's not the origin of the final biomechanical xenomorphs. Maybe they could've been some sort of hostile, natural lifeform they encountered that inherited the host-based mutation from black goo enhancement, and the xenomorphs we all know could've come from the enhanced engineer pilots. A freak of nature that the engineers felt were a perfect weapon. Prometheus going with the deacon and then Covenant just ditching that for neomorphs and David's protomorphs is making it all a little convoluted, but I do like theory that David is simply reverse-engineering genetic blueprints that the engineers already developed.

>let's introduce something from the same idea guy, that was already canonically included

>8/10
This movie as shit. From the ridiculously fast incubation of the alien and the time it takes to grow to how it was actually handled. Seriously the alien was so poorly handled it was like they tried not to make it threatening

Not the ted talk. The conversation with the engineer.
Weyland is not an old man who wants to live forever. He is a megalomaniac who considers himself a god which is why he considers himself equal to the engineer and asks him why he wants to live forever.

>sacrificing pacing
the movie itself had pacing problems most notably the exploding engineer head in the lab
>aesthetics
none of it was particularly jarring except maybe two cuts during the presentation and when the engineer gets trapped by the facehugger trilobite

What if the elephant space jockey was the original species that created the goo and aliens, and the engineers just use their ancient technology, without being able to truly use it as their own, so they wear the skin of the space jockeys as pilot suits since the ships won't allow them to pilot anyway? So the ship in Alien is really fucking old, and the guy there is not an engineer.

I mean it doesn't mane much sense to control your ship with a music tune, but it makes sense for something that has a trunk.

>same idea guy
scott didn't come up with the idea of androids in the original, it was someone else

Blade runner is from a different universe directed by the same director. Are you going to say that Interstellar takes place in the Dark Knight universe?

Plausible.

Someone missed a certain detail in Prometheus.

>so they wear the skin of the space jockeys as pilot suits since the ships won't allow them to pilot anyway
david and shaw flew the ships

>humans are the real descendants of the ancient aliens, not the engineers
>this makes them jealous and want to kill us

uhhh. That actually made me think.

>David went through his character arc in Prometheus, coming to understand Shaw and her quest, eventually helping her escape the Engineer and fix the ship, leaving to find the Eningeer's homeworld and discover answers
>"Lolno David learned nothing and he's the same psychopathic android with a god-complex, also he killed Shaw off-screen :^)"

What the fuck man, or did I somehow miss an entire scene from the film? How much did they cut from this movie?

>Holy shit Prometheus bombed. We'd better scrap any plans and get back to a bog-standard Alien movie soft reboot.

Fucking this. All you faggots complained about stuff in Prometheus that was trivial of you only used your head for two seconds. Now everything is explained like the viewers are toddlers and the ayylium must be back so you feel like you watch the first movie again.

They have different castes with different genetic makeup.
The Warrior caste differs from the Worker caste, etc.

The only thing that could save the mythos right now (aside from denouncing Covenant as a shitty piece of fanfic) would be explicitly stating that David created nothing and simply managed to reproduce the same results that the Space Jockeys got a long time ago.

If the eggs on LV-426 are actually supposed to be "David's eggs", everything simply stops making sense. Like, there's what, 20 years between Covenant and Alien? Why would the fucking Space Jockey be fossilized? How did he even get there? If David is the xenodad, the entire story is just pure bullshit.

So you guys want a movie where David and shaw go to the promethesu homeworld and talk to them? I don't see how that'd be entertaining my dear sir

That would be more interesting that this prequel-sequel-soft-reboot.

I thought it was pretty clear from Prometheus that the "Engineers" were pretty much extinct due to some large-scale war.
The facility on Prometheus was a military installation, and those ships were "bombers" of sorts.

They could have played on that, hell even introduce the colonists from Covenant as recent-arrivals to what is supposedly the Engineer homeworld, discovering the ruins of their dead civilization.

>gets BLACKED 2 hours into the movie

Fpbp

good theory too bad the films are still complete shit

I prefer the engineer civil war theory, but the fact that some engineers were subservient to the others is interesting.

The whole point is that David genocided the entire planet less than a decade ago. The Alien has gone from a bioweapon used by some unknown but presumably ancient precursor race to a robot's science experiment. Makes the setting feel small.

One thing I'll say for David's role, it makes the androids from the early Alien movies even more sinister. Weyland Yutani wanted them as a weapon, but the android in Alien called them "perfect organisms" and almost worshipped them.

I just saw the movie. It was decent, except for the ending. I thought It made no sense, was needlessly cruel, and was utter dogshit.

what's so bad about wanting to watch david and shaw fugging on an alien planet

Nothing, Though Daniels is cuter.

>we never got a shower scene with both Shaw and Daniels where they casually discuss the plot while soaping their/each other's titties and asses
Fucking David.

I would pay good money to watch that two years late on HBO

Wow, you just made ending sound even shitter.

Someone draw a pic, please.

Sounds pretty fucking retarded desu.

It literally sounds like some retarded stoner going "WHAT IF EVERYBODY IS AN ANDROID"

You could shop their heads onto porn images, you know. I will totally do it for private use.

I like how they're supposed to be this biomechanically focused civilization with organic looking spaceships and suits, and then when they designed their homeworld, they literally couldn't be bothered to keep the consistency and just modeled the city off of human civilization

That's lotta assumptions for a shit post!

Please

I'm gonna start listing all of the irrefutable problems (meaning can only be fixed with long explanations not noted in the movie) with Alien Covenant, because autism:

- Captain stops the whole crew from mourning the loss of a crewmember because of "time"
- Captain sees crew having a simple drink against his orders - immediately believes the whole crew hates him, cries like a bitch
- Captain takes whole ship off course - ignoring the pleading of his second in command - because of a patchy signal of a song from a world which 'appears' to be habitable and because of muh faith
- This world had never been discovered despite being on their way to another mapped world over 7years of travel further away
- Despite being in orbit of this new world, and knowing when the storm would end, instead of waiting a literal day for clear skies, they send 2/3rds of their crew in their ONLY drop ship through an immense electromagnetic storm
- They were apparently unaware that they would be unable to communicate with the ship beneath this electromagnetic storm and took no precautions against this
- No hazmat suits
- Almost immediately split up into three groups on an unknown planet
- Go pros, AR15s, foam sleeping pads, one hundred years in the future
- No animals, yet plants?
- Guy becomes violently sick - someone suggests quarantine - immediately drag him back to and through the ship, contaminating the whole boat
- After being sprayed in blood a woman dons a pair of banana skin soled boots and begins a laurel and hardy escapade to kill the Neo, blowing up the only boat by shooting a shotgun around exposed fuel tanks (which have no safety lining despite being in the main hold)
- The Engineer's David controlled ship got up the mountain, how?
- Main group meanders back despite one of their own now falling violently ill. Still no hazmat, no gasmasks even.
- Everyone follows David to his hideout and IMMEDIATELY split up

Jesus fuck, I can't be fucked any more. What a fucking shitty movie.

On a side note, wtf was up with that ending? It came right the fuck outta nowhere.

>tfw to smart to hate Covenant

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