Is the European Union starting to detach from US?

>The EU says Iran is complying with its part of the nuclear treaty, whilst the US is trying to impulse more sanctions
>EU showed its discontent with the US after recognizing Jerusalem as Israel's capital
>Macron said the EU needs to focus more in China than other countries
>EU bet for a better relationship with Cuba
>German politician in favor of 'EU as a country'

It is a myth perpetuated by the American neocons that Europeans are America's great allies, when in fact, the EU has always been a wagon trailing behind the US since the ww2. The vast majority of Europeans neither agree with the US foreign policy, nor want to participate in it, they are doing it out of fear of US retaliation. EU is an economic giant and a political dwarf. If the US did not push the EU into joining NATO and their foreign wars, you can be sure nobody from Europe, expect the most loyal American dog - England, would ever join any foreign war, or intervene in a foreign country in any way.

The only reason recently the EU has been showing some balls is because the 8 years of Obama dispel ed some of the fear the EU had for America, and now that Trump is being extremely anti-liberal and anti-establishment, the EU with the help of the Media is making some gradual and bold moves.

We could hand you ungrateful fucks over to Russia any time we wanted.
Just look at Ukraine

This
Europe need to be separated from US
And that's not because we aren't allies anymore but because we need to follow our way

You are being very mean to me.

The UK is by far the most pro-US force in the EU (for obvious reasons), so her leaving will have a big impact in this respect.

EST EUROPA NUNC UNITA
ET UNITA MANEAT
UNA IN DIVERSITATE
PACEM MUNDI AUGEAT

SEMPER REGNANT IN EUROPA
FIDES ET IUSTITIA
ET LIBERTAS POPULORUM
IN MAIORE PATRIA

CIVES, FLOREAT EUROPA
OPUS MAGNUM VOCAT VOS
STELLAE SIGNA SUNT IN CAELO
AUREAE, QUAE IUNGANT NOS

EU will always be a diplomatic dwarf without unified foreign policy.

La creatura...

>EU
fuck this
>US
fuck that

V4 stronk

You wish.
The same people that own the sharts also own us.

>pro-US
is this another way of saying ''loyal American dog''?

>Europeans are so up their own arse they *actually* think US policymakers give a flying fuck about the EU

you are smelling your own farts more than any of us

Exactly, but EU will never have a unified foreign policy until it becomes more democratized.

Sure, but national governments don't want that since increased democratic legitimacy of the EU would lead to further ersosion of national sovereignty.

Europe is becoming increasingly irrelevant on the world stage.

Europe was revelant when everyone was a Empire and wanted be the best, now it's just a conglomerate of cucked countries (except Eastern Europe)

No we're not, also there's no "us" here Pawel

>We
lmao.

The UK is a satellite of the USA, yes. But even the UK wasn't, it would still be very pro-US.

English-Speakers all have similar values, ideas and goals which means they often meet at the same place no matter what.

like during the suez crisis :^)

I can assure you that the necessary percentage of Europeans would be absolutely ready to give up their "national sovereignity" if EU magically offered everyone to have the same standard of life as say Sweden, Switzerland, Germany or France.
But the sad truth is that economic power of EU relies on the fact that wealthy western european nations profit from the cheap labour of the recently "acquired" members of the union. Western European leaders will never allow the East to catch up with them because that's the upper hand they have over the rest of the planet, access to tax-free, customs-free cheap as fuck, dispensable and easily replacible workforce.

Not really.
They're just pretending to do that for the votes. Irl it's just an American satellite state

Not necessarily, the only way forward is federalization US style, that is small federal government mostly concerned with protecting external borders, internal safety and providing courts of law. One congress who makes the decisions comprised of representatives of all member states. All EU states should remain as sovereign as possible so far internal affairs are concerned.

Can you define those values, ideas and goals?

Wtf bulgaria? What has we done wrong to you for this kind of an abusive images? Threated your native singer?

they are an american bitch and would get team tag raped

>starting to detach from US?
What do you mean by ''starting''?The moment Trump opened his mouth as the new president of the USA, everyone started running away from America and their new political face.

>Macron said the EU needs to focus more in China than other countries

Based

>What has we done wrong
Watch your own news and listen to your own churka politicians. If you didn't see this coming means that you are an idiot.

what a load of communist crap. Why can't you socialist idiots realize once and for all that capitalism is not a zero sum game, and for you to win and become rich does NOT mean someone else has to lose and become poor. Capitalism and free markets are WIN WIN for all. Nobody is exploiting anybody, in fact, many people from the eastern EU go and work in wealthier countries and then bring all that money home, including skills and new ideas to better their countries. Where do you think Poland would be today without all the help they received from their immigrants and money they sent back home? The Romanian president was elected by the Romanian immigrants abroad, and many of the Bulgarian future PM candidates are desperate to attract the support of the well educated Bulgarians working and living abroad.

Many eastern EU countries have already became just as wealthy as the western EU countries, for example Czech, Slovenia, Estonia etc. In fact, all the growth in Europe today comes from eastern EU - Romania, Poland, Czech, Bulgaria etc.

He was a finance minister(or something like that i think) so it is only natural for him to see China as his point of focus.

>muh freemarkets
grow the fuck up already

Finance minister and the "Mozart of Finance"
BASED
Also nice digits, my brother of flag colours

Some of your politicians have been misbehaving and stepping over their boundaries lately.

Being the eternal Anglo

you stupid socialist prick. I am a PROUD Libertarian.

d. globalisd

>Living on EU gibs
>Hating Europe

Yes your corrupt politicans will surely make a utopia for its citizens in v4

Not an argument

As expected, fluent at rhetoric and one-liners, but have no reason or logic-backed arguments.

If you don't like globalization, then what are you doing here? Sup Forums Sup Forums is the epitome of globalization.

30 years from now you'll look around and wish that the Burgers still owned our ass

He should stay off of the internet altogether.
I mean the internet is globalization tool numero uno.
I'd suggest a secluded mud hut in some forest to him.

Making international trade agreements and multinational political unions is globalism. Talking about frogs on a Taiwanese basket-weaving forum is not globalism.

>Watch your own news and listen to your own churka politicians
The problem is, that in here the intellectual mass is not using the TV at all. why the fuck am I suppose to answer for some dummy head shit coming out from his mouth? The 21st. fucking century man, the internet, the multiculturalism. Wake up already.
>churka
You know the meaning of this? Or u re actually speaks about Ramzan Kadirov? Sorry, as I told earlier, I'm not watching the TV.
>politicians have been misbehaving and stepping over their boundaries lately
Same. As. Fucking. Usual. The men siezing the political field in Russia right now is 80% ex-criminals, cutting the heads to alive men and bury them alive in early-mid 90-s, what can you even expext from the human garbage like this? Why are you allow this people to manipulate your anger and a honest opinion? You're really stupider then they are? ake your own fucking mind. And show me these politician that makes you so mad, please.

>multiculturalism
I mean the globalism ofc.

Soon USA will be Mexico Unitedados with black inside. Values will be different

>Nobody is exploiting anybody, in fact, many people from the eastern EU go and work in wealthier countries and then bring all that money home, including skills and new ideas to better their countries.

I´m not against freedom of movement, but saying that immigration is somehow beneficial for countries like Lithuania which has lost almost a third of its population since joining the EU, is wishful thinking.

Are you retarded?Don't answer that.
>why the fuck am I suppose to answer for some dummy head shit coming out from his mouth?
Because you elected him or are allowing him to stay elected.Your inactions matter too.
>inb4 i didn't elect them so i don't carry any responsibility about their actions
This is not how things work in the 21st century churka.
>show me these politician that makes you so mad
Your churka in chief for starters.Don't know the names of all his cronies but i can look them if if you like.I mean they are YOUR representatives but apparently you live in an alcohol induced coma so you know nothing and don't understand nothing.

>would ever join any foreign war, or intervene in a foreign country in any way
Please stop being retarded and look at France's post-war history.

>Living on EU gibs
>Hating Europe
What's wrong with this? Why not exploit the eternal kr*Utoid while you can?

>EU market
>free
One look at the European agricultural policy and you can kiss that idea goodbye

Any trade agreement that advances free trade is positive. Everything you own comes from somewhere else. Even the pen you use comes from many places, all that is thanks to globalization, which is not limited to exchange of goods, but also exchange of services and ideas. What you are doing right now is cultural exchange, which is a form of globalization. There is no difference between you talking to me here, and you buying from me someplace else.

Also, what multinational political unions? I agree to an extend with that, but most likely you're thinking of something else that isn't really globalization.

The moment the EU becomes a singular state i would accept to share the blame for any actions that it does.The reality is that the EU is not a single state(federation) like the USA or Russia for example.Their not unified military and the EU structures do not supersede the national structures.

Counties are free to leave, remember?

Since the done of time people have been moving from places with no opportunity to places with opportunities. The people who leave Lithuania are more production someplace else, them leaving is positive for Lithuania in the long run, because not only they will return with more skills, but it will also force their government and people to clean up their mess. Many Germans and English are going to America where they can be more productive too.

>they will return
They won't. If they are building a career instead of just making a buck, they won't.

How does that change France's post-war history of military intervention?

>inb4 i didn't elect them so i don't carry any responsibility about their actions
Naive cretin, lay down the responsibility on my people for the hard times that comes from them. Times which wasn't asking everyone to come, it was asking a one-aloners who decided for everyone arround them. And now i have to drown my country in blood again(this is the only way to change at least something in here) to make the bright future for mysel that I rather will never see. Easy to make tags and make smart commentaries, sitting in a comfort, and peace, when the smart men came and make it happend for you. Fuck you, you deserverd all the shit that comming out from these clowns mouthes.

Who hurt you Russia :(

>hang tags
I hope you feel me in general way.

shut up bitches

I think France and England ended their imperial days after the suez canal crisis, that's when America and USSR cemented their Superpower status. Though that was in the 50s, the EU was founded in the 90s.

EU has no internal tariffs and is mostly free market from within, that is not to say it's completely free.

>Who hurt you
This whole fucking life.

oh boo hoo
me too so

>If they are building a career instead of just making a buck, they won't.

Well then that's good for them, isn't it? What's the alternative, them being trapped in a country with no opportunity where they can't utilize their full potential? Being trapped in Lithuania is not going to help them or their economy, being free to work in more productive places will help many people gain more skills and new ideas, and even if many don't return, many will, at the very least, that will put pressure on their government and people.

Many Portuguese also left their country in the early days, and then returned back to Portugal.

EU is literally French and German politicians being envious nobody gives a fuck what they think.

So you are just cowards? A nation of cowards that can't deal with their own politicians. Glorious!!!

>So you are just cowards? A nation of cowards that can't deal with their own politicians.
Oh, a fucking half gypsus leechs without any signs of an own modern history will telling me now what's courage and how to build a heaven on the earth. A fucking narrow-minded kid, learn some histoy and actual situation before barking something next time.

Never heard of brain drain, huh? Those people moving to other countries must have been educated, often extraordinarily so. Then they fuck off into another country which gets them for free, gets their taxes while the country that raised them gets them only when they are old and a burden for the healthcare system. Not to mention these are highly motivated people who are exactly what is needed to make the country better.

First of all, you will always have a brain drain. Many Germans move to America. Many English and French move to America to become doctors, scientists, professionals etc, because there is more opportunity in America. There are many things you can't do in Germany that you can do in America, there is nothing wrong with that. Second of all, if Lithuania doesn't want their people to leave, they better make their economy more productive so people stay. Lithuania is a small country and there isn't much you can do there, when the standards of living increase to become higher, i am sure most people will stop immigrating so much, many still will, but only those with the big dreams, the boring ones will stay.

>they better make their economy more productive so people stay
"Here, open this chest that's locked with a key that's inside"
>Many Germans move to America. Many English and French
Not nearly the same amount as in EE

The detachment is caused by the fall of USSR which was the reason why EUrope was tight with the US.
Brexit is also part of it because the UK has always been a proponent of relying on the USA.

Your authority opinion is so-o-o important for everyone, keep us in touch. Sheesh, I can smell his EGO even frome here.

you eat the poopoo

At least I'm not making a template pseudo-smart shitposts.

only read a few of the posts but i can already tell that this is that arrogant yank in russia
you cannot argue with this man, he believes everything he says to be fact

>you cannot argue with this man
I don't see any of arguments, I see the tag hanging, xenophobic oversmart kid, who doesn't know what he's talking about.

>'EU as a country'
Not as long as I draw breath

>Not as long as I draw breath
This can easily be fixed.Now, hold your breath friend.

You can't kill yourself by trying to hold your breath. Your body would fight against you and force you to breathe

Who said anything about you killing yourself?What we need is you holding your breath for a minute, so the documents can get signed.What is it with this morbid fantasies of suicide user?

>Eu thread
>The obnoxious r/Europe Bulgarian shows up

It’s like poetry

I have a cold and I want it to end

No just Germans
The EU departments are majority German
I’m trying to find the article about it that came out in light of brexit but it was something like 70% German
>inb4 German efficiency
Go to Berlin and tell me that

>I have a cold and I want it to end
>warm soup
>herbal tea with honey and lemon
>whatever your doctor has prescribed you

I know what to do, but it doesn't go away from one day to the other.
Also, going to the doctor because of a cold?

Could be a bad cold

Cold is a form of infection so if it is severe enough it can lead to complications.A weakened immune system opens the door to all kinds of nasties.
>going to the doctor because of a cold?
If it is really bad, yes.