>immortal alien genocided an entire sentient species with a thought because one of them killed his wife
Holy shit, Star Trek has some of the most bullshit overpowered beings in any franchise. It brings them up once, never mentions them again, and just carries on like the Federation would just let these literal fucking gods continue to remain unchecked.
And Picard talks about praising this fucking monster at the end of the episode. What the hell.
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How would you go about killing a literal god, genius?
Duh
Blow him up
tell him he actually killed his wife by thinking about it and it came to reality, then he would worry that if just thinking about something can make it real and if he killed his wife maybe he should kill himself, and just thinking about that would kill him
Maybe not kill, but keep an eye on the fucker. If the Dominion had found this guy, shit could have hit the fan real fucking fast.
You know, from random pictures and media she just seems decent looking, but actually watching WW she was so fucking hot
cuck
Praise? As I remember it Picard and the others are basically mortified at what had happened, but leave and mark the planet as forbidden territory because they no idea how you could judge let alone punish an actual god stricken with grief and remorse
I can't unsee this
She has gorilla face
Daddy Q! Daddy Q! The mean man nearly hurt your boytoy Picard. And that's the end of that chapter.
They should round up all the deity-tier aliens and make them fight
He seemed at least on par with the Q though
he wasn't a Q because he wasn't an obnoxious fag with egotistic tendencies and a repressed lust for captain picard
If he was Q level he could revive his wife or go back in time to warn himself. He was nothing, not even wormhole ayy level.
>it's a Geordie falls in love with a hologram waifu
>episode
At least the porn parody had Geordi nail that white ho
So was he more or less powerful than the Organians? We need to tier the impossibly overpowered aliens.
>the porn parody
I want that, now.
It's good stuff user
No Data lookalike ?
>capable of multiple techniques
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to be honest psyops would solve 99% of super beings problems. It's better than kryptonite
what episode?
Third Episode of the third Season, called " The Survivors ".
Jimmy Smit's sure hit rock bottom.
Just saw this episode on tv today. Are you me?
Yes, from 8 minutes into the future
You need to kill the cat before it's too late. Don't make the same mistake I did.
Old man seemed more destructive, while the Organians could resurrect the dead and appear in several places at once many lightyears apart.
>It's the cuckholds again
No wonder these threads are always so shit
This was the most overused gimmick in all of the Star Trek franchise btw
because it's the most deep seeded and primal of all human fears
I'm black, whiteboi.
Ranked from highest to lowest as far as I can tell.
Omnipotent Tier: Q
Total Matter and Energy Manipulation Tier: Douwd
Exist outside of linear time Tier: Prophets
Energy beings with powers beyond mortal races Tier: Organians, presumably a million other races in trek.
>I can't believe I kissed you.
>Must have been your lifelong ambition.
Q feared Guinan. The Q in general feared the Borg.
They're not omnipotent
>Watching porn is cuckholdry now
As far as I recall the only line about how the Q felt about the borg was Q telling his son not to provoke them. The borg couldn't actually do shit to them, its just that they don't want their playground to be spoiled by all the interesting little creatures getting turned into borg. Don't remember Guinan intimidating Q, what's the context there?
I think he was referencing the interracial part
Watching black/white is
Also can I just say: fuck Romulans. Fucking North Korea-tier lying cunt bastards.
I think Guinan was due to the rift.
Go look up the actual definition of the word and then don't come back, Sup Forums.
the old man seemed pretty thoughtful aside from the genociding. like maybe he wouldn't snap his fingers to bring his wife back since it cheapens both her life and the death that awaits her. i think a godly being would come to resent his existing with cheats turned on if he weren't an insufferable meddler like q
I'm the black guy he called a cuck, fuck off with this Sup Forums bogeyman. It ruins more threads than the people you accuse. Let's just talk about Star Trek.
>Don't remember Guinan intimidating Q, what's the context there?
This here:youtube.com
It was lazy writing trying to make Guinan more mysterious by wanting us to believe that she is able to withstand Qs powers with retarded hand gestures.
Guinan's an imp, Q said. She's not affected by having her history altered. Also a part of her being shall forever remain within the Nexus. Personally, I believe Q can't poof Guinan's species like they can do everything else.
Was this the weirdest episode?
>retarded hand gestures
it's like a magical mexican standoff
Also this happened
And yet she remained Constant when history changed. You do realize that altering time should have altered her memories. And yet she remained the Guinan we know. This means that even a powerful event like time manipulation has no affect on Guinan. Remember Q said they could alter, Time and Space and the matter and energy in these, but here's Guinan, able to retain herself in some form even if Time is altered.
>Sup Forums using cuck to the point where it doesn't make any sense at all doesn't ruin every thread on this site
You can fuck off back there too nigger.
And this
>Personally, I believe Q can't poof Guinan's species like they can do everything
Like i said lazy storywriting. So she can withstand Qs powers but she and her people were still fucked up by the Borg ?
That's Voyager's fault for making the Borg into Team Rocket
Although i agree with your argument it is shown to us that the Borg fucked up Guinans people long before Voyager as a series existed.
And still she does that Wizard crap when facing Q.
Maybe her magic only works on a metaphysical level, so would work on Q but not on flesh & blood & metal beings
Yeah maybe. Or in review it is connected with here being once in the Nexus. Thankfully they dropped any hint about her - lets say - offensive powers when dealing with omnipotent beings later on.
Otherwise in Picards place i would always use here as a last line of defence.
What this guy said here , I don't think she's able to attack you outright but she's anchored in someway. It's like how a part of her is still in the Nexus and why she's able to resist Time manipulation. A Q won't stoop as far as using a lesser race to attack you outright when they could just poof you out of existence. I mean they could but that'd be beneath them I imagine. Now here's Guinan, Q tries to make her go poof but she's still there. That would alarm them. He could always get a gun and shoot her, but then in his mind by doing so he'd be a lowly subcreature having to resort to the actions of a subcreature.
Q isn't really omnipotent despite him saying so
Then there's that time they took Voyager's crew to their realm and made them all demigods.
It'd make for an interesting premise - a Federation unit assigned to taking down these overpowered monstrosities roaming the universe.
An interesting thought. Maybe Guinan is - through various reasons - seen by other Q Kontinuum members not as unimportant as humans and hurting or killing her would be like hurting an endangered species like a Panda or a Blue Whale.
And Q seems to be always on probation.
Section 31, Deicide Division
There's a thought. Maybe Q wanted to take her kind out or mess with them but because she can survive most alterations to Space Time, and the Q sees her as some kind of special species because of this, Q probably is sour towards her kind.
>made them all demigods
No they didn't.
Nah that would be the same mess as with the Borg and Voyager.
I would rather like a series about a " Star Fleet Ship " fully commanded by Section 31.
And not some Hippie Galaxy class ship but like something like the USS Vengeance form into Darkness. High advanced, even official illegal prototype stuff with a lot of fire power.
So you want Star Trek that isn't Star Trek?
Was always curious how an incredibly foul mouthed stand up comic was cast as Guinan. Not saying it didn't work though, she was great.
She wanted to be on the show, so they made up a part for her. Same as with Samuel L Jackson in Star Wars.
She was so famous at the time they ignored her initial calls because they didn't believe it was really her wanting to be on their pokey sci fi show
"How the f**k are we supposed to take down this realitybending son ' bitch, Captain?"
>Beastie Boys - Sabotage starts playing
A ragtag team defending the universe from overpowered monstrosities against the odds is literally the Guardians of the Galaxy comic books, and the films are *fairly* loyal to that. I wouldn't expect it from Star Trek or even want it. Star Trek is meant to be feel good exploration which is why this thread is shit and the new films have been shit.
She liked Star Trek as a kid and approached Gene and asked him to be on TNG, he said yes.
No but just a different angle which came up in the last series like Deep Space Nine, Voyager and the new movies.
What the Federation and Star Fleet has become is great but also achieving this without getting your hands dirty is to one sided story wise.
A story focused on Section 31 could also deal with the moral Questions who the Goal excuses the cause etc. with crew members getting doubts about the mission.
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But how would you have exploration and finding new forms of life with a bunch of Section 31 guys?
I wasnt the one suggesting a " Ghostbusters in space " team hunting beings like Q.
But a Section 31 ship like the Vengeance focusing on political stands and black ops while the Crew believes to protect the Federation and its Citizens.
>Same as with Samuel L Jackson in Star Wars.
citation needed
>"When reporters asked me, 'Are there any directors you want to work with that you haven't worked with before,' I would say, 'George Lucas is about to do the Star Wars thing, I'd really love to work with him.' And I said that often enough that somebody heard it and told him. I got invited to the Ranch to see if I was serious about that. Yeah, sure! You can make me a stormtrooper if you want, I don't care—as long as I know I'm in the movie, I don't care if anybody else knows or not."
Section 31 main Goal was to find any possible threat against the Federation and deal with it in various ways.
Exploring the unknown to make analyze what threat for the Federation waits " behind the Corner " would fit the Theme.
The difference would be how certain Laws like the prime directive wouldnt be followed by them.
>TNG Ferengi
God, I forgot how much I hated them
You seem to be pushing this idea like you think we're a board of executives and if you can get our approval you might get it commissioned. Take a breather, my man.
One of the reasons it's an awful idea is because it's so pessimistic. Government cover-ups, corruption and ends-justify-the-means tactics are a real world concern, particularly now. TV and film is saturated with it. If Star Trek desperately needs to be anything, it needs to be optimistic and forward-looking. Not dwelling on the moral ambiguity of 21st century politics.
There aren't enough Section 31 operatives to work like that, they probably do have ships but they aren't making contact, they'd be investigating citizens and ships disappearing or acting strangely after going to an alien planet. They're concerned with threats to the whole Federation, and it's both unlikely they'd randomly find one going into uncharted space and incredibly stupid to do so as they could lose the battle and then the Federation is REALLY undefended.
We already had enough ignoring the prime directive in Voyager.
what happens in the delta quadrant, stays in the delta quadrant
>You seem to be pushing this idea like you think we're a board of executives and if you can get our approval you might get it commissioned. Take a breather, my man.
I am on a Star Trek thread explaining my idea with other people who joined this thread. Nothing more.
The optismistic Star Trek you are talking about is the TNG optimism which was established during a certain time in history after the end of the Cold war and before the rise of new conflicts like the fight against Islam.
Popular media mostly reflects the " spirit " of its time.
I highly doubt that another Series with a Picard like Captain would work right now. Maybe after another decade but not now.
Name three examples of Prime Directive Violations committed by Captain Kathryn Janeway.
>Temporal Prime Directive violations by a potential future Admiral Janeway does not count
There was a Star Trek novel where Bashir is engaged by Sloans successor who tells him that there is a certain agressive pre warp species that isnt offially known by the federation. That species is on the edge on creating a functional warp drive but all their tests are a failure with explosions etc.
So you dont need a lot of phantasy how their missions would look like, either by their engagement or by orders.
>The Price
>Geordi nd Data go through a wormhole to the delta quadrant
>no borg
>no kazon
>no whatever the fuck neelix was
disappointed
aaaand now the doctor and Troi are in leotards doing stretches
the fuck is this episode
Space is big. Really big. You just won't believe how vastly, hugely, mind-bogglingly big it is. I mean, you may think it's a long way down the road to the chemist, but that's just peanuts to space.
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>We leave behind a being of extraordinary power... and conscience. I am not certain if he should be praised or condemned. Only that he should be left alone.
wtf space is tiny now
The Q continuum doesn't abide omnipotent beings existing outside of the continuum, Q said as much. They would have done something about him if he were anywhere near as powerful as Q.
TOS and TNG are definitive Star Trek, and they're fundamentally the same - exploring, encountering strange new lifeforms, overcoming obstacles in a positive, forward-thinking manner. If media reflects the time, why even set it aboard a spaceship in the future? Set it in the White House starring Kevin Spacey as Mr. Monologue who stares at the camera and tells everyone everything is shit. Unfortunately, the people making the Star Trek movies are just as retarded as you, and what we've been getting is what you want, resentful, morally ambiguous stories that offer nothing but confusion.
What about the Gary Mitchell alien at the galactic edge?
Off the top of my head
1. Arming and assisting The Borg in their attempted invasion of Fluidic space and genocide of Species 8472
2. Assisting those psychic aliens that were breaking the "no psychics in our space" law in Counterpoint
3. Waking up the Vaduaar
Probably not as powerful as Q. The same with a number of super powerful beings, like fucking Nagilum.