"superman is too dangerous"

>"superman is too dangerous"
>"but he saves lives and is a good boy"
>"still, send him to court and form a we're some kind of suicide squad in case he comes back"

why does everyone in the DCEU hates the shit out of Superman?

>what if the next superman is evil

holy shit do you fucks pay no attention to the shit you complain about?

Waller wasn't the one who wanted to bring Superman to court. And I think she was more concerned with there being another Zod than anything else.

And let's be real here. If someone like Superman showed up in our world, people would be fucking terrified. There'd be an awful lot of mistrust and doubt about him.

Waller herself says he was on our side.

Or worse what if snapped one day and decided that he has had enough?

Have you seen man of steel? any normal human would be terrified of superman they don't have the luxury of seeing him act normally or hearing his internal dialogue, they just see a guy who can rip through steel like tin foil. and they have seen what someone like him looks like when they want to hurt us zod.

You know it's worth pointing out that Zod is a movie invention who was only added to the comics MUCH later.

In the comics there for the longest time wasn't any such thing as an evil Kryptonian. I'm starting to wonder if this isn't necessary for Superman to work.

the concept of the phantom zone and kryptonian criminals were around in the early sixties way before superman 2.

Or if he snapped another Zod's neck?

>You know it's worth pointing out that Zod is a movie invention who was only added to the comics MUCH later.
>In the comics there for the longest time wasn't any such thing as an evil Kryptonian. I'm starting to wonder if this isn't necessary for Superman to work
That is such bullshit.

Zod was around in the comics before the Donner movies. He just wasn't exactly the Terrance Stamp version of the character.

And if you want to talk about Ursa as well, she was based off of another Phantom Zone criminal, Faora.

Do your research, homie. :^)

GodDAMNEDit Marvel, what did you do to Nick Fury now?

>I'm starting to wonder if this isn't necessary for Superman to work.
It's not necessary, but the demonstrative problem with Zod in the origin is that there is no Year One where Supes is unflinchingly a hero in the eyes of the public. A true hero Supes gives hope for other would-be heroes, and when Zod shows up as an evil Kryptonian, Clark can still show him up and succeed, and in the eyes of the people Zod is the outlier.

With MoS, all the general public knows is
>aliens are real
>one has been hiding among us this whole time
>evil aliens return and demand first reveal himself
>then they start buttfucking the world, which if the rest of the world is unaware that Clark actually did surrender, it makes him look like a coward
>THEN the fighting breaks out and two towns are wrecked
>oh, but the original hiding alien is here to stay, to help us, he swears
>no, he never really SAYS he'll help us, but he does stuff, never confirming or denying prior statements made about him
It's not a "realistic take" on Superman, it's a fragmented version that removes his most endearing traits, like having a public persona (make fun of saving grannies from trees and helping cats cross the road, that shit is good press) and being an active force for good. It's okay to have Supes stumble, but let him be Supes first and foremost. Without being that immediate beacon of altruistic good, he's just not Superman.

That's what would happen if Superman was in a world where he didn't have his decades of good reputation at his back. Why is this such a hard concept for Sup Forums to grasp?

>why does everyone in the DCEU hates the shit out of Superman?

Because he's the hero DC deserves, but not the one it needs right now. So they'll hate him, because he can take it. Because he's not a hero, he's a silent protector, a watchful guardian, a Man of Steel

>wat if the new superman is evil!!!
>we gotta assemble a team that can fight him!!!
>I know, let's get that chick with a bat and the drunk with the boomerangs!

Because realistically, a super human would be a very controversial subject, it's hard to define what is fair or wrong in such a culturally diverse world.

Basically, fear, jealousy, envy, hate because superman's battles always cause thousands of deaths (and most of the time superman's presence is what caused the battle)

>Because realistically
Thanks, Snyder, but you can be realistic without being a fucking cynical downer about the most inspiring hero in a century.

because the warner execs hate superman

mark waid has talked about this in the past

Actually, it's a concept that even people outside of Sup Forums fail to grasp.

The problem is mostly DCEU Superman himself

No, it's not. People liked to say Superman didn't save anyone in MoS because for some reason they WANT to hate it, completely ignoring the fact that besides saving individuals over a dozen times, he saved he human race four times in one movie. But no one sees it, because people are assholes who think he's not a hero unless he specifically gets a cat out of a tree.

That's not actually what happened. What happened is Waller said they got lucky with Superman.

And the thing is they did. in the DCU the number of evil alien overlords is fucking huge. And let's face it, Superman saved the world, but he lacks charisma, and more importantly, he wasn't the world's first exposure to alien life; a despot with plans to steamroll over humanity was.

The DCEU doesn't hate Superman, they hate all superhumans and metahumans and aliens and anyone stronger than a baseline human. And they have that hate because it's bore out of fear due to a shitty first impression.

One that Superman classically exists to fix, but again in this universe fear drove his and his father's actions to hide him past the point of no return.

>That's what would happen if Superman was in a world where he didn't have his decades of good reputation at his back.
A good reputation starts somewhere. Usually its with a public act of altrusim. In the DCEU, Clark's first public act as Superman is much more morally ambiguous because that's the story they wanted to tell.

The first thing the average civlian knows about superhumans in the DCEU is that one random tuesday an alien parked his ship over a major US city, hijacked every last air and radio wave, and said "You're not alone in the universe. One of my people has been hiding among you. We picked up his beacon. Turn him over or I'll kill everybody".

The second thing they learn is that yes, said alien has been hiding among humanity, and the US military has arrested him. Now, we say we believe in innocence until guilt is proven but once you see that flying guy in handcuffs the vast majority of people are going to start thinking "what if he's a spy? why's he in chains if he didn't do something bad?"

The third thing they learn is that Metropolis and Smallville got their shit pushed in. So they have confirmation that these aliens are violent and unstoppable, and since we were told that we'd be spared if we complied, we know they can't be trusted.

And it just keeps going from there. This is why Clark's first act is more often written to be unambigiously good like snatching a plane out of the air before it crashes. He sets the stage and opens the dialogue as one of trust rather than suspicion. But the DCEU isn't about trust. It's about how people are naturally fearful and cynical. So we're seeing the results of that.

i still love the "we're some kind of suicide squad" meme

>But no one sees it, because people are assholes who think he's not a hero unless he specifically gets a cat out of a tree.

Or maybe Snyder shouldn't have pretended Superman was some amazing hero and having people going "HE SAVED US" while standing in a 9/11 ground zero pile of rubble. You can say he saved the world all you want, Snyder still chose to show Metropolis as a smoldering wreck while having the characters act like he's the best thing since sliced bread. That's hilariously disingenuous.

Snyder is incapable of paying off a single concept he sets up.

Then why the fuck is a crazy girl with a baseball bat in a team that's supposed to oppose Superman?

What the fuck is Harley going to do?
Or Captain Boomerang or Slipknot or even fucking Deadshot for that matter?

Mark Waid is a fuck who thinks Perfectmessiahman is the only way to write the character.

It's a good place to start. We get to see him the way the DC citizens see him.
Then as time goes on we can see more nuance to his character.

Technically his first act was saving a bus full of children about to drown. And the difference is in the comics, he started out much weaker, and eventually gained more power later. He didn't start out at 100% like he did in the movie.

Your opinion of how Snyder portrayed the scene doesn't change what actually happened.

How quickly people forget Waller's Plan A was to have Enchantress on the team.

>Technically his first act was saving a bus full of children about to drown.
Reread what I said.
Clark's first PUBLIC act AS SUPERMAN is what's important. That's the offiial "Humanity, you are not alone" moment. And in the DCEU, Zod is the one that gets that.

Not entirely sure why you're bringing up power levels though.

Kryptonite bullets and a kryptonite bat?

>It's a good place to start
No. Going ass backwards is not a good idea.

What actually happened was that he had what's her name say "He saved us" and then panned out to a post apocalyptic looking vista.

That's literally a play by play, no interpretation required.

Yes, and he did save them. A few blocks destroyed doesn't mitigate the fact all the rest of humanity was fine.

Not to mention most of the damage was caused by Zod's dubstep machine and the army. Superman was on the other side of the world, destroying the other terraformer.

How quickly you forget how much of a fucking fuck up that was.

Why even employ a girl?

Why not put the kryptonite on a misile? Why not put the bullets on a drone?

This argument is exactly why batfleck wanted his head on a stick

I know that being unable to read the mood is one of the signs of that mental disorder which has become a meme but surely you can understand the incongruity that people are pointing out between the line and the juxtaposed imagery?

I'd attempt to guide you through it but honestly I'd have an easier time explaining color to the blind.

Send Harley against Superman, either her 'wild-card'ness (for lack of a better term) comes out and she does something just crazy enough to help kill Superman, orshe dies, then you have one of the most powerful criminals in the world after her who has access to mind control and other shit like that, boomerang and Deadshot can do structural damage and shit.

>Assemble your team of expendable soldiers to take on a metahuman treat
>Bring a huge unit of regular soldiers to accompany them
>Virtually all of the regular soldiers die, while most of the villains sent to die end up surviving

Good job Waller

His first public act as Superman was to save his mother from Zod, then do his best to prevent Smallville from being slaughtered. His first act as Superman period was agree to do what was needed to prevent genocide when he surrendered to the military. His first act that the world in general was aware of was to stop a madman who swore to kill humanity himself. Also, maybe you need to watch the movie again, but his surrender wasn't publicized, no common citizens saw him "in chains."

I swear, people bitch about films they barely remember.

>metahuman treat

No, you're trying to editorialize what happened in the movie, spin it a different way that doesn't actually line up with the facts. Was Snyder heavy handed with the line "he saved us?" Yeah, maybe. But that doesn't make it an untrue statement.

>His first public act as Superman was to save his mother from Zod, then do his best to prevent Smallville from being slaughtered.

Jesus christ you really are dimwitted.
IT'S TOO LATE BYTHAT POINT. ZOD HAS ALREADY MADE THE FIRST IMPRESSION FOR ALIENS.

Anything Clark does no matter how great or how noble or how righteous, and yes, he does do a lot of great things, IS STILL AFTER ZOD'S ULTIMATUM. It's not the FIRST impression for alien/superhuman life and the public at large.

Anything Clark does after Zod shows up above earth is Public Relations Damage Control. What's more, structuring the movie in such a way had to have been intentional because it creates a self fulfilling prophecy as far as Jonathan's warnings go.

A Peak Human multimillionaire in power armor could barely put himself into a position to kill Superman who was never trying to kill anyone in the first place.

The mission statement assumes whoever is coming after him isn't going to hold back.

Anyone else is going to get turned into flaming corpses from heat vision.

And then Superman stopped Zod and saved the world, showing people that he would side with them over his own people, because the other Kryptonians were the bad guys. Why do you think it matters so much who went first?

If Superman showed up in the real world today, that's exactly the reaction people would have. Everyone would be trying to either control him for their own use or lock him down so he can't maybe hurt people.

"hoax lmao"

There's a lot of power in the being the first major player. The fact that we're talking about Superman at all is proof of that.

If a complete stranger walks up to you and punches you in the face, and breaks your nose, does it matter if later you find out that his second cousin twice removed donates to charity?

In the DCEU out of the 5 or 6 aliens that have ever set foot on earth, all but one of them has tried to exterminate humanity. Why would they assume Superman is the rule rather than the exception? Their first exposure to aliens was largely negative.

Nigger did we see the same film? He was beat, the only reason he wasn't murdered then and there was because of that Martha bullshit. What happens if someone who is even more insane gets that equipment without the weakness of hearing a goddamned name?

It depends on where and how he shows up and what he looks like.

Let's face it. Being a handsome white human guy with broad shoulders, a nice smile, and no foreign sounding accent buys Clark a lot of good will out of the gate.

If he were a fat green scaly creature, then that's a much different reaction.

>Footage of a superhuman shows up
>This is a shop. I can tell from the pixels and having seen a few shops in my time.

You're forgetting Lois Lane's story about him being a "secret superhero" for years. And the fact that in BvS it's very clear that people have at least some faith in him. Looks like going first wasn't that important.

>breaks your nose, charity, blah blah
If that cousin promptly beat the shit out of the guy who assaulted me, yeah, kind of makes a difference.

>implying that's not how people would react to a superhuman irl