EU vs. USA

EU vs. USA

Which would win this war? No allies, no nothing, just the two

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A land war would be very bloody regardless of better funding for American forces.
US could blockade ports and bomb industry/military sites without much difficulty though, I think.

But EU already is under US occupation.

us of course, better gear, better training, years of combat experience, battle hardened troops, espionage, countermeasures, nukes. You name it.

Considering there is nuclear weapons on both sides, it'll be a Cold War II.

The US would seemingly win at first, but the EU would eventually win in a stalemate-like situation

Assuming the deterrent of France would prevent a nuclear war, both could not really engage each other aside from maybe some naval and aerial operations mainly in the Atlantic.
US bases in Europe would be overrun after some fighting, European overseas possessions would likely be seized by US Marines.
Economically they're roughly on par, and in terms of military tech the EU isn't too far behind.
The US has greater power projection and a stronger air force, but not strong enough to invade mainland Europe defended by all EU members. EU could obviously not invade the US either.

USA by a landslide, they have the power projection capacity to fuck us over while the EU has almost nothing in that regard

Depends if nukes are involved.

With nukes?
USA easily wins.
However, it's at the cost of probably 200-300m dead civilians

Without nukes it'd be the largest war in history. Easily.
It'd probably see the deaths of at least 100m people, but USA would win in a war of attrition. Hardest part for the USA would be taking the British Isles, once we managed that we'd be able to win air superiority in continental Europe, and after eating away at their defenses we'd steamroll them after a d-day esque invasion

The US has a stronger navy than all EU countries combined. Even if we're technologically similar, you haven't built up enough to defend your coasts and continue production. I agree that any invasion is borderline impossible, but I think an air and sea war would be a bit one sided.

>US vs countries occupied by the US
Hmm

How about USA vs Britain, France and Russia?

Who would win? With and without nukes.

no one wins with nukes. that's the whole point

I guess USA will win

I those those 3 combined can take USA down.

Subs and land based aircraft would make the European coast extremely dangerous for carriers and without air support any invasion fleet would be doomed.
The US has a stronger military but can't put it all to use at one point in the world (except the American homeland of course).

t. fell for the nuclear holocaust meme

USA easily

It doesn't matter how numerous or strong it is if it can't be utilized effectively due to limitations and simple countermeasures. In these discussions it's helpful to have the bare minimum understanding of militarydoctrine and not the simple muh numbers and muh strength. Americans if any should know that.

>USA vs Britain
With nukes: Britain doesn't exist anymore, US loses millions of people and becomes a failed state
Without nukes: costly US victory
>France and Russia
With nukes: same as above
Without nukes: no way to engage each other without involving other nations

Yeah I remember some war games from a while back where Swedens quiet subs devastated a US Carrier group

What if all 3 allied vs USA. Do they have a chance?

USA easil. First of all most EU countires dont have any real milatary. Second, countires like UK ad Poland would most likely side with USA. Meanwhile german army is just a joke and frenach are franch, also itlay will change sides in middle of war as usual.

oh you meant the three nations combined...
then it'd be doomsday in a nuclear exchange for all four and a stalemate without nukes
brainlet tier post

Does the EU combined have more aircraft than the US? I honestly don't know. One thing to consider is that the US is a single nation, with a single military that speaks a single language, whereas Europeans have a military that isn't integrated and has language barriers.

Maybe you could give some specific examples of how I'm wrong instead of just saying that any educated person would realize how false I am.

>Does the EU combined have more aircraft than the US?
I don't know neither, but a lot are from US manufacture, and that is a point in your favor.

No, the US has more as far as I know.
But most aren't carrier based and don't have the range to participate in a conflict over Europe from bases in the US mainland.
And you're right about the organization issue, but the same works (more or less) with NATO: you give the different armies different objectives so they can work independently

Britain, France and Russia easily. Russia would just hack USA nuclear facilities and target all of the Walmarts in the country completely destroying them and americans would starve to death
the end
roll the credits

Even if Russia is on the EU side US'll win

No nukes scenario it would be a stalemate. Neither could invade the other, US would put the continent under sea blockade with their superiour navy and airforce but it couldn't blockade the land routes to the east.

russia would just hack the next election and make putin win. russian victory with zero casualties

that would be silly, though

Both would lose and then the China would become the new world super mega duper giga mega giga big big world power and rule the world.

good post

So what you're saying is USA vs France and maybe Britain?
Yeah, USA would win.

I'm pretty sure the USA and Europe wouldn't be able to invade each other.

China wins em all motherfuckers

without britain? US

I'm pretty sure the USA would be able to invade Europe though. Their navy is larger than the next TEN combined and they have both the world's first and second navies.

Assuming a no-nuke scenario, a second Normandy Landing would be peanuts. Especially with the sorry states most European militaries are in. Germany, despite being the most populated and most economically powerful country in the union, has zero operational submarines.

considering america has NEVER won a single war, jewrope would smoke the shit out of them

There is no friendly territory they can land on. They aren't fighting a Nazi Germany with a stretched out German army. The EU is a gigantic 510 million people.

the US could take on the entire world and they would win

Germany & friends vs amerika?

Round 3 ?

No they wouldn't, the two nukes were a little too impressive, eh?

>There is no friendly territory they can land on
So they take enemy territory, pretty simple m8. Perhaps they start landing on Ireland or maybe they island hop through the Canaries or whatever.

>The EU is a gigantic 510 million people
And how many of those are soldiers? How many of those countries have a system of conscription? How many even have the military hardware, let alone the infrastructure, to mount an effective resistance? Numbers never tell the full story, you need to look no further than the asswhooping the Japs gave the Chinks early in WW2 to see that.

The one with best computer skills wins so some asian one
in ww2 they won cuz they decoded german messages
same here whats the point of having nukes if someone cant hack em ;3

USA so hard it wouldn't be funny

if EU as in whole Europe, Europe would win
If USA vs western EU or modern EU, USA would win
if USA vs eastern Europe, eastern Europe would win, easy

Americans are susceptable to PTSD and morbid obesity and welfare programs and so on, there is no way Americans would be able to sustain a war against eastern Europe which has none of such problems, and where at least 80% of the population is combat ready while maybe only like 3% of the American population is combat ready

i also do not even believe anymore that American military technology is THAT much better than what you can find in eastern Europe, ESPECIALLY when it comes to stealth and missile technology

In WW2 they were able to use the UK as a staging ground. And the Germans were also busy with the Russians. While Nazi Germany was also fairly small compared to the EU. They have none of those advantages now.

They probably can't even get the carriers across the ocean without them being sunk by submarines.

>And how many of those are soldiers?

And how many does US have that would conquer whole of Europe? According to Wiki it would be 2 million personnel adding active and reserve personnel together. Compare those numbers to US military during WW2.

Is this a joke?

>In WW2 they were able to use the UK as a staging ground
Yes, and?

>And the Germans were also busy with the Russians
Who were being Lend-Leased to high heaven by the Americans. Even if we assume that wasn't the case, do you really believe America's numerical, technological and industrial superiority wouldn't eventually win them the war? It would take longer of course, but it would happen.

>While Nazi Germany was also fairly small compared to the EU
But also far more militarized, running on a war economy, headed by a totalitarian military dictatorship and having a well running conscription system. Once again, modern Germany doesn't even have an operational submarine.

>They probably can't even get the carriers across the ocean without them being sunk by submarines.
Oh, guess what Germany today doesn't have? Also, what do you think destroyers are for?

US
More nukes and an actual coherent military, rather than 28 separate, underfunded ones.
This is a silly question.

>No allies, no nothing, just the two

Sorry, America.
Japan can't support USA.
We are spectator this time. :3

USA at the current state "europe" is in
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>implying kgb didnt already win this war, by turning 56% into unidos estados, and europestan into braindead sharia law khaliphate

Literally the first thing this country ever did was win a war.

We also won the civil war, but that's a hard pill to swallow.

Without the impending EU army and eventual EU superstate, it'd be interesting to see just how all the EU countries would co-operate in both a defensive and offensive situation. I would assume there'd be childish butthurt from the brits if they weren't in charge of the main thing but also butthurt from the french if they weren't which could lead to true fractures in cohesion. There'd also be butthurt from us, if we had an army of any note. As it stands, Germany can't even use its nukes without the express permission of America so we'd be about as useful as a chocolate radiator

Just make us some patriotic anime to keep spirits up.

OK! :D

>US pulling the plug
>not a single weaponry unit in EU works anymore
what do you think, smart-ass

And if EU wants to build it's own weapons industry US starts autistically screeching and EU will bow down. EU is so cucked by the US it isn't even funny.

What are you on about?
Europeans have plenty of domestic weapons manufacturers.

that's not the point, bruder

what are you trying to say then?

europe is not even allowed to pass laws or rename its streets without american approval, let alone create enough weapons to fights its own war
basically there is a cia office which overlooks all official european weapon factories

The MANLY AND SUPERIOR French people doesn't fear the pathetic american nukes.

The US.

It's not even close.

First of all, the US is actually united under one flag, while the EU is extremely divided, and the countries in it is just there under the illusion of financial benefits. The US got the morale going for them, as they're actually fighting under a common flag.

While the Europeans will be loyal to their own respective nations. Only the Germans are truly federalists in the EU.

A war between the EU and the US would end without the americans firing a single shot, and the dissolution of the EU.


If the EU somehow managed to turn itself into a united states of Europe, the US would STILL win. Their military strength surpasses the EU by far. They have a huge population that not only want to fight, but know how to fight, while most EU states have tiny armed forces, and less guns among the citizenry.

As for nukes, the US got the whole nuclar triad. Bombers, subs, ICBMs. While France is the only EU country with nukes now that Britain is leaving. They've got few nukes, basically just a few subs, and a couple tactical bombers, an one aircraft carrier. While the Brits have only got the subs, and two aircraft carriers. No counterforce capabilities in the EU, only a minor countervalue response capability.

Then for force projection. The EU couldn't even do a bombing campaign on Libya, without logistical support from the US. They simply ran out of fuel and weapons after the first few weeks.

The US has the capability to absolutely wreck the industrial hubs in the EU with conventional weapons, while the EU really can't touch the US with conventional weapons.

Their best bet would be trying to block overseas trade with the US by using submarines. But that wouldn't work either, as the US navy could steamroll all navies in the rest of the world combined. There's simply not enough naval vessels to blockade the US, but they could blockade the EU without breaking a sweat.

We don't need to even mention allies.

>itt: sycophants

>First of all, the US is actually united under one flag, while the EU is extremely divided, and the countries in it is just there under the illusion of financial benefits. The US got the morale going for them, as they're actually fighting under a common flag.
>While the Europeans will be loyal to their own respective nations. Only the Germans are truly federalists in the EU.


spot on, tbqh