Can we now admit as embarrassing as 90s comics could be that Marvel in the year 2016 is far more cringe worthy?

Can we now admit as embarrassing as 90s comics could be that Marvel in the year 2016 is far more cringe worthy?

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>90s comics
If you mean generally, then you're right.
Because outside Marvel and Image, it was a pretty fantastic time for comics.

If you just mean Marvel, then I disagree.
The decade was horrible for the company. The current people in charge may be awful, but they do have a few good books and the cringe-inducing ones mostly sell like garbage.

Hopefully the diminishing returns of these constant relaunches forces them to make changes in the next few years.

Pretty funny how everything's basically been taken to the opposite extreme. All the bulging muscles and the overall testosterone-fueled X-STREME aesthetic of 90s comics have given way to political correctness and just sheer, unapologetic girliness.

Nah.

Most of the worst things are going to end up forgettable trivia. In 20 years, autists will have new things to flip out over.

50 years from now, The Twenty Tens will be known as the decade where everyone was a flamboyant homo or an empowered woman with a pet man

Yes. The 90's had everyone drawn like they were permaflexing everything , over done liefield style missized body part type figures and 'everything was extreme'

but it gave birth to alot of classic moments. the xmen ruled everything, spiderman had his ups and downs but over all it was still fun.

today its flat out shit

Please
The most cringe worthy Marvel has been was a couple of years ago, when they stuffed their popular characters in several teams at the same time
Like Purple Arrow was on Cap's Avengers team, but was leading the Secret Avengers at the same time. Storm was in like 2 teams of X-Men on the west coast, and in the Avengers on the east coast
Now that was garbage

Were they flipping out about anything during the 2000s?

Nobody can forbid Goddess from joining as many teams as she wants.

YES

That's worse than making the Marvel Universe all about tween girls?

they are trying to broaden there demographics, god forbid they pander to someone under forty.

Decompression was the worst thing to ever happen if you read any comics message board from 2005. People hated New Avengers because muh spider-man is a loner wolverine kills. A lot of X-fags hated Milligan and Allred's X-Force. Xorneto. Dudes were mad that Brubaker brought back Bucky. Disassembled, House of M, Civil War. Sins Past, OMD, mystical spider shit. That's just stuff I can remember off the top of my head.

Let's not even get into the dumpster fire that was DC.

>A lot of X-fags hated Milligan and Allred's X-Force
And now it's one of recommended books.
R-right?

This is unfortunately true. 2010s Marvel is literally the worst comics publisher ever.

Anyone who doesn't read X-Force/X-Statix is fucking their entire life up.

Yea they hated it because it replaced Classic Xforce cuz it was selling shit. I thought it was JoeQs most sensible action desu.

Better X-treme than SJW.

I'll take childish ultraviolence over SJW garbage any day, sure.

>people complaining about Wolverine killing
Why? He's made for killing.

How many 90's books were self-righteously preachy and actively mocked its fans?

Also, I still maintain that this was one of Electro's better looks.

This was a great Scarlet Witch outfit.

Hell this Hawkeye outfit was good, just needed toning down in the pouch department.

Hawkeye has been roidin' it up.

It was meant that Wolverine, who is a killer, should never bee an Avenger, even though most of them, like 75% of the Kooky Quartet) were reformed villains.

Talk about dumb, huh.

She looks like a Mortal Kombat character.

Your taste is shit.

Explain.

Meanwhile, in the offices, they're repeating the same mistakes they did in the nineties all so that they can make more money in the short term with no care about what it will cause in the long term.

If you can't see how that's hyperbolic, you're a lost cause.

According to this
marvel.com/comics/calendar?&offset=0&totalcount=43
Marvel had 34 main universe books come out last week.

Of those, the only ones that can conceivably be called "for tween girls" are Ms. Marvel, Squirrel Girl, Devil Dinosaur, Hellcat and Spider-Gwen. So 5 out of 34.

Wow, sure looks like Marvel has just left that traditional market behind.

At the end of the day, the problem with Marvel right now isn't that they have books for other audiences, and it's not that they have books with political stances you disagree with. The problem is that the majority of their books are just shitty. Nighthawk sucks, Silver Surfer sucks, Captain Marvel is ass, the entirety of Civil War II is a mess, GotG is a shit show, anything with the Inhumans or X-Men is worthless, and so on and so forth.

Nah.

>Knightfall
>Knightquest
>KnightsEnd
>Contagion
>Legacy
>Cataclysm
>No Man's Land
>Death of Superman
>Funeral for a Friend
>World Without Superman
>Reign of the Superman
>Return of Superman
>Emerald Twilight
>Final Night

The 90s were pretty good.

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Parody, user.

>Marvel

>muh spider-man is a loner
>probably has the most team-ups of any Marvel character
wew

That's shit, user.

You're own pic disproved your thesis. Sad.

This is a great cover

Are you saying that you DON'T want to be the pet man of an empowered woman?

>He doesn't like Adam X, the X-treme

No.

>Decompression was the worst thing to ever happen
It fucking is. You pay for 25 pages of plot and get 12 pages of storyboards instead.

>but it gave birth to alot of classic moments.
AHAHAHAHAHAHA what

that looks like an American shredder!

>Can we now admit as embarrassing as 90s comics could be that Marvel in the year 2016 is far more cringe worthy?
It is at absolute worst, a lateral move.

>How many 90's books were self-righteously preachy and actively mocked its fans?
A surprisingly large amount of them, actually, many of the 90s comics clearly hated the 90s aesthetic they were forced to use and subtlety was actively railed against.

Every single one that had an environmental theme, which by the way was every single one of them.

Maybe I'm young but decompression is a good thing. Very old comics actually suck most of the time because it's mostly a narrator explaining everything that's happening

Shut up, Bendis.

That was not because of decompression, that was a Silver Age thing which had mostly gotten phased out by the Bronze Age in the 70's and 80's (and honestly, they were just replaced by dialog then, and monologue boxes in the 00's, so not much really changed.) The overt narration was an artist issue.

When a story that can be wrapped up in 4 issues at most is then stretched to 8 or so issues it's a fucking problem.

>Adam must first saturate opponent's blood with oxygen. He usually uses various blades to injure the opponent and cause bleeding, thus oxygenated their blood. Also sometime he uses the trigger word "Burn" to activate his power.
>"Burn"
Is he the most anime Sup Forums character?

Fuck off

Is it Sup Forums that comes here, having not read comics, to shit on Marvel because of politics/muh kinotrarian?

>there are people who still think Fabian Nicieza is a good writer

Hasnt he always been buff?

Decompression is good if you are binge reading but shitty if you are reading monthly. "Classic" style is good if you are reading monthly but frustrating if you are binge reading.

That is more than buff.

>1940s
DC> marvel

>1950s
DC>Marvel

>1960s
DC = Marvel

>1970s
DC < Marvel

>1980s
DC< Marvel

>1990s
DC> Marvel

>2000s
DC>>>>>>>marvel

Well said.

>e1980s
>DC< Marvel
Fixed. DC improved a lot after CoIE.

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>>DC>Marvel
Fixed

Yes.

Yes, every other board is obsessed with trolling Sup Forums. Sup Forums absolutely does not have a victim complex

DC took a shit in its pants after CoIE. With the exception of DKR and Batman: Year One, and *maybe* Man of Steel, all the interesting stuff that DC produced in the 80s emerged from the periphery.

Yes.

Even Image was better in the 90s than Marvel. At least they had some stuff like Astro City and The Maxx. After Marvel put an end to Epic it was all over. Even Image's goofy cape books had better art and coloring and equally mediocre writing.

>another silveragefag

>Image's goofy cape books had better art

I'll take Denny O'Neil and Neal Adams on pre-Crisis Batman over their successors any day.

I never liked byrne's superman

Plus first half of 80s DC weren't so good.

Epic never did fulfil its potential, while Savage Sword should have bowed out gracefully in the mid-80s.

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Oh my yes.

Fedoras, you say?

We all know DC was awesome in the 90's, but what gems did Marvel have among all the shit? All I read during that period was Spider-Man which was pretty good at least at the start of the decade with I think DeMatteis.

Oh and also Waid's Captain America.

Anything else?

>Power of Shazam
>Supergirl (PAD)

Some would say Age of Apocalypse, but I just can't get past the mostly fuckawful artwork.

Oh and remembered a few:

>Busiek Avengers
>Busiek Iron Man
>New Warriors
>Foolkiller
>Thanos Quest

Sup Forums has a hardon for Dan Jurgens' Thor for whatever reason.

Marginalizing all 90's comics as xtreme shit is one of the easiest ways to spot a casual on Sup Forums.

Peter David's X-Factor.

The kids of today should defend themselves against the nineties.

i would say age of apocalypse, and i would also say the artwork was just fine.

>spider-man
clone saga. try again

>New Warriors
Ha ha, nope.

Starlin
Darkhawk
Simonson's Fantastic Four

Days of the Future Past is a 2 issues story, the Morlocks story is also 2 issues long.

We cant, and in fact dont get anymore classic stories that are only 2 issues long.

How is decompression a good thing then?

00's? Seriously?

Marvel had the Ultimate Universe and all those amazing X-Men stories and a huge string of great Daredevil runs and Punisher MAX and Bendis Avengers and Brubaker Cap and Nextwave and dozens more amazing titles.

DC was great too. 00's was a fucking golden age.

>dem legs
>dem feet
Fuck yeah, Claremont.

>a little girl is smarter than Reed Richards and Tony Stark is replaced by a girl with a porn name
If this is how they choose to broaden their reader base they will loose more readers than they gain. And guess what ? It's already happening.

Any idiot could tell Marvel if they want to improve reader numbers stop shitting on classic characters ( Reed being one upped by a child, the X-Men being ruined and shoved into a closet) and go back to what always worked. Seems to be working for DC right now.

gay

Comics sales have been declining since long before. Correlation =/= causation.

>Any idiot could tell Marvel if they want to improve reader numbers stop shitting on classic characters ( Reed being one upped by a child, the X-Men being ruined and shoved into a closet) and go back to what always worked.
Yeah, they should go back to the business model that was steadily shrinking instead of trying literally anything except writing the same story with the same characters over and over. It's what made Marvel great!

Occupy Avengers confirmed to only be 1 and 2 issue arcs

Magneto ripping off Wolverine's adamantium and Age of Apocalypse are certainly memorable.

>1960s
DC = Marvel

This is fucking wrong. Actually in the 60s Marvel was the new hot shit and their comics clearly FAR superior and sophisticated than those of DC.

It's not working and it's worthy of comment, regardless of how you feel about it.

I didn't really like it, but I read it. Twice.

This. It was the second reinassaince of Marvel after the pure unfiltered shit that were the 90s.