Kubo

How did this flop so fucking hard?

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Kids just weren't interested I guess

Even from the poster it doesn't really look like the family friendly romp that a parent would take their child to. This, Book of Life, probably some others that don't come to mind, they're somewhat different to the usual Disney or Dreamworks film and it doesn't really seem to have much appeal as a result

Advertising. It's always about advertising. The content of movies mean nothing until the tickets have already been sold.

It's not Disney or Dreamworks.

Don't know, people usually like Laika.

Americucks with shit taste again.

It didn't, tho. It made just as much in its first weekend as most of the other new releases (12 mil) and, unlike say Jason Bourne, it doesn't need to make back twice its budget to justify the cost. The reason Laika's movies are deliberately artsy instead of going for wider appeal, and why they keep making them more technically complex even tho none of them as been more than moderately successful, is because Travis Knight is the son of one of the Nike founders.

His "two strings" are a pair of Nike laces. As long as he has those tied tight, he'll never run out of money.

No matter how awesome it can be, stop motion is niche and will always be niche.

There's a big difference between critic-based art and consumer-based art.

It happens all of the time. Classical literature and harlequin romances. Arrested Development and The Big Bang Theory. Symbionic Titan and Family Guy. Indie games and Call of Duty.

There are some works that are nearly perfect, but never sell well because nobody can market them. At the same time, there are works which are terrible, but sell well because they know how to cater to the lowest common denominator.

Laika's films are big-budget art house films. They make them for the love of art, not to sell millions.

>implying there's no middle ground which is where the true success is

It still hasn't opened in several countries, so...

Uh-huh.

>Arrested Development and The Big Bang Theory. Symbionic Titan and Family Guy. Indie games and Call of Duty.
You have a point, but these are all horrible examples

>arrested development
you're joking right? arrested development is insanely popular

Support Laila, buy Nike. Just do it

>Laika's films are art house films

> literally done for the art
> not art house

???

Speaking of, think we'll get some neat Kubo shoes out of this? I missed out on the Paranorman shoes and they looked pretty sweet

I'd say running ads all throughout the Olympics meant Kubo had to make more money than other Laika films.

>It's a "How Did X Laika Movie Flop?!" thread.

One would think. Sadly...
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>not Beetle shoes, Beetle shoes, Beetle shoes

To me Laika's movies have always seemed more tailored to non-US audiences. I can't place my finger on why, maybe it's to do with the folklore sensibilities they seem to embrace, something I love (e.g. Mune, 9, etc.).

I have to wait til late october, fucking sucks

Nobody raikad Kubo?

Baka gaijins.

Point taken. You get the idea, at least.

Good luck finding it.

Europe will save it and then the bluray sales like the other Laike films. They have a growing fanbase, loyal as fuck too. Besides they don't spend shit in advertising so it's easier to break even

I took my nieces and nephews to go see it
about 1/2 way through they wanted to leave
I have never had them want to leave a movie in all the years I have been taking them to movies it was just BORING

Sadly this

I'd say its a combo of it being a "kids" movie released right as public schools starting up and a very low advertising campaign.

It one-upped Sausage Party in the latest BO and already made a bit more than half its budget. It'll break even.

Pixar had it for a while

If it holds steady this weekend (because it's still at #3 meaning word of mouth should still spread) it might be able to catch up

You call?

It was just too boring and serious for the kids to be interested, children want to see fun characters doing fun or cool things with reasonably funny jokes. Kubo much like Coraline is just stale and dry in terms of humor

There were quite an amount of the typical comic one-liners in this movie that I thought made this seem more like a cash-grab than other Laika films. It had it's moments but came off a bit more mass-appeal to me.

American normalfags hate Asians.

It had plenty of advertising. People just ignored it.

Do you think the average moron could even tell that Kubo is stop-motion and not CGI?

It definitely dialed back the comedy compared to Paranorman or the Boxtrolls.

It was a very pretty movie with a bland plot and pretty shitty writing. Given not a lot of people care about the cool craftsmanship that goes into Laika movies, what are you really going to talk about? Not to mention the super awkward market of them being edgy alienating the kids but not making it clear it's for an older audience.

It is a fucking stop motion flick where they created the world's largest stop motion figure for and had to design a giant robot to move said giant figure.

There are tons of ways to make a cash grab, and stop motion dedication ain't one of them.

>edgy
>Older audience
How retarded are you?

I'm noticing a straight, consistent direction there...

its not Disney.

The only advertising was in previews. Everyone I talked to about the movie had never heard of it.

>How did this flop so fucking hard?

It wasn't very good.

Hollywood does this all the time.

It was BEAUTIFUL. The voices were amazing.

But the story was LAME.

Tired, recycled, boring, badly written crap.

Hollywood, if you are capable of pulling your dick out of the ass of the boys you like buggering so much, fucking listen up:

The story is the thing. The story is the ONLY goddamn thing. If your script is bad, your movie is bad, no matter how pretty you make it or how beautifully delivered those crappy lines are.

How fucking hard is this to understand? Tell a good story!

It is LITERALLY the ONLY GODDAMN THING you have to do.

Tell a good story.

There is more to advertising than just quantity.

ok, so can we finally admit that this and all of its fans are a problem?

I agree 100% that the story sucked and the animation was beautiful, but I don't think that had anything to do with it flopping.

It still got very good reviews and a 96% on Rotten Tomatoes. There's no way most people didn't watch it because they somehow knew the story was mediocre.

Teens are edgy, teens also don't care about a movie starring puppets

and yet transformers makes billions

far worse stories have been told that have made tons of money

disney has no fans, only consumers.

You say this, but according to Box Office Mojo, 90% of the earnings so far are from America.

because it hasn't come out in the rest of the world yet retard

>TFW you realize what the Two Strings are

Here's hoping it breaks even in the longhaul. I enjoy Laika, even if I didn't think Box Trolls was a spectacular film. But it had good points, and ParaNorman's 1st and 3rd act were great. Coraline was gold.

I'd hate for them to stop making films.

It's a shit movie.

Did anybody even like Boxtrolls?

I actually agree with you and hold the same opinion more or less, I do want to point out that there are times when story is NOT as important as charismatic characters and delivery. I'll give you two examples: Deadpool (2016) and Dragonball Z Abridged the Frieza saga.

Deadpool is a very simple plot, and pretty straightforward predictable. But the jokes and the action and actors are so funny and charming and blended to perfectly, the lack of complex story doesn't matter.

Similarly, the DBZ Abridged, an even more simple example. The viewers know the story and everything that's going to happen, but the voice actors and the comedy are so funny and the delivery is generally so nicely done, the audience doesn't care. Sometimes the delivery-person (actors/music/comedy) is more important than the delivery-content (story).

Now admittedly these are a different genre. But still, worth pointing out.

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when he uses his own hair for the third string

I didn't come here to feel dammit

They advertised it alot on kids networks but it only showed some lame jokes and made it look like a shitty comedy. Don't even see why this is a surprise though, Laika movie never do that well but since they're subsidized by Nike's billions it doesn't really matter if their movies flop anyway so they'll keep shitting out mediocre films only hipster artfags care about.

Laika movies never make all that much money, but the studio doesn't really care all that much about making a profit so it's fine.

1st Sausage Party
2nd The Secret Life of Pets

I liked it alot, the visuals were great, I liked the story, even if it was a bit predictible, Ending was sweet

Going into the theater: There are clearly three strings on that instrument. Zero stars.
Climax of the movie: I understand it all and I am crying.

The advertising was poor though and did a bad job of explaining the concept.

I thought it was gonna be he wasn't good at using the shamisen so he could only play one string, then in the climax he'd believe in himself or some shit and then use Two Strings to beat the bad guy

Actual meaning behind the title wasn't bad though

2 things you need. Something to grab the audience's attention and advertisement.

You can have all the ads in the world. (See Ghostbusters, who went so far as to publicly shame people into seeing that train wreck) But if it doesn't grab your attention, you're not going to see it.

Laika tends to be way to artsy, where I can see them doing well in the limited release rounds but not mainstream ones since the normal viewer doesn't care. Also the American Film industry's prejudice against animation. (Some rational because if animation goes truly mainstream, it would cause an upheaval in the acting industry like when sound was first introduced.) Means people are going to think it's just for kids, when it's pretty damn dark.

Saw it this afternoon in a packed Superscreen for 5$. Filled with both families and adult groups.

Man, that skeleton was spoopy.

>Its not Disney
>Its animated
>and its targeted for an older audience

The theater i was in was filled with kids and their shitty annoying parents, the kids were bored and the parents weren't paying attention..

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This, I didn't realize it was Laika at first when I saw a promo before a different movie.

And the promo made it look boring as shit.

I believe its great and intend to see it in theatres but the advertising definitely let it down.

Your fedora's tipping.

I never even saw a trailer for it in my area. If I didn't obsessively look at what movies are coming out on a regular basis, I would have completely missed it.

Well I looked up screenings for it today and noticed my shit pile of a country is getting it in October. If I manage the wait I'll probably go watch it.

I went to check it out with a friend, and I'm planning to go watch it again with my family. Partly to finantially support the movie, but also because I loved it so much. My friend did mention that some vital plot points were predictable, but he enjoyed it nonetheless. Funny thing is, he saw coming the twist regarding Kubo's parents while I didn't, but the whole "two strings" twist slipped past him while I actually saw it coming.

>and yet transformers makes billions

That's because the Transformers tells a good story.

Note that I said nothing about plot or characterization or anything else.

A movie is just a fancier version of cavemen telling stories around the campfire. And here's the secret: Good stories are often simple.

There's a reason we tell the same stories over and over and love them every time. They appeal to the part of us that likes to watch a fire and be with our friends. The 'mythic journey' is an archtype that should be solid gold, but Kubo managed to fuck it up.

A nice dose of transformer's style action would have tremendously improved that movie.

Cont.
When I was there I noticed many kids and their parents. They seemed to be having fun, grown ups and children alike. In fact, more than a few stayed during the end credits to see the artwork.
Hell, during that scene when... you know, that crucial scene during the fight with the second sister, I actually heard the audience gasp. I'm from Spain, in case you want to know.

How did it fuck it up, if you don't mind me asking.

Jesus, this is the dumbest thing I've read all week, and that's saying a lot.

At least it beat Sausage Party this weekend

I thought it was bretty good. Made me want to try weird cheeses

Boxtrolls is the Cars of Laika. Make of that what you will

I liked it, it's just my least favorite of the Laika films.

Do you REALLY have to EMPHASIZE like THIS?

It makes you look REALLY retarded.

I loved it, even though I rank it as my weakest Laika movie.

Eggs and Winnie were so adorable and I wish they got more focus. There's hardly any fanart of them as well.

Also that quartet. I could listen to them sing about cheese all day.
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You must be at least 18 to post on this site. It baffles me that people are slamming the story. It was simple, different from our usual fair in the US, and yet still explained itself just enough to keep me interested.

>arrested development is insanely popular

Only because of a cult following years after the fact.

When it aired, it struggled for ratings and we're lucky we got a good ending for the original run.

That entire climax hit me hard.
>That scene where The Moon King became human, and all the villagers convinced him he was a good man.

The Moon King wasn't a particularly interesting villain

What is it with Laika and sinister family trying to cause eye mutilation in young dark haired children?

Because it only saw a major release here you tripfag asswipe.

Was anyone else kind of disappointed that all the people in Kubo's village somehow lived when he was running away when he first met his aunts?

I was pretty sure they all died.

It was mediocre. The biggest positive of the movie was easily Snatcher. Ben Kingsley did a great job as the villain, very memorable. The animation was great like always. Everything else was extremely bland or even awful (the main girl's voice acting was horrendous).

Watch me tripfag like this guy lads.

Doesn't contribute anything to the discussion does it?

also kubo failed because the focus was niche

I was surprised. When he came back and they were still there my first thought was that they were an illusion/trick of the Moon King

Honestly, we needed Kubo to visit the heavens. In Coraline, she had her perfect world right before her but she saw that it was all really a spider's web of doom

In this Kubo should have seen the wonder of the heavens but still seen through the beauty and rejected the cold, detached realm of his maternal heritage

Man, do I disagree with that. I thought he was an amazing villain, especially considering how little he's actually there.

His relationship with Kubo was played a lot different to some "join me" crap, which I expected. He was a grandfather, one who loved his grandson so much that he was willing to do the unspeakable to give him a better life. He felt that Kubo's mom not only betrayed him, but betrayed Kubo. He's a god, a being of infinite power who saw his way of life threatened. His daughter didn't just betray him, she sided with the mascot of everything he hated. He saw Kubo's humanity as a limit to Lubo's potential, and didn't want him to, in his view, lose himself to something far less than he could be.

The entire exchange with Kubo and Moon King honestly didn't feel like a villain against a hero. It felt like a grandfather believing he knew what was best for his grandson, and the grandson who only knew him as a monster. His fight with Kubo felt less like a battle and more like Moon King trying to beat sense into someone he cares about, essentially showing him that mortality and humanity is bullshit and he's going to learn it the hard way.

They didn't pour millions into marketing and instead spent it on making a good movie because Laika is the passion project of a billionaire who cares more about quality than the measly pennies they'd earn with an animated movie.

>release a kids movie just when kids are going back to school

The answer is pretty obvious, user.

I'' elaborate

I liked the Moon King until he turned into a dunkleosteous shaped kite

Do not turn into a snake. It never helps

>what is BRAND RECOGNITION
Even Sausage Party made more money because of the "Seth Rogen" brand recognition.