What exactly has Cersei done to make her as evil as everyone says...

What exactly has Cersei done to make her as evil as everyone says? Seems like all her actions have helped to stabilize the realm.

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Cersei did nothing wrong but Jaime has to kill her because he is Azor Ahai.

why are they even seen as evil?
is it the incest?

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>stabilize the realm

>destroy benevolent religion seeking equality

>start a war of 5 armies because she didn't want her incestual trysts to be revealed

>killed an incompetent yet peaceful king to start even more conflicts

>tried putting her murderous sociopath kid on the throne

>executed innocent men just so she can keep her gravy train of lies and deceit going

>stabalize the realm

well by blowing up a good number of the sparrows i suppose she spared them a slow death by starvation from a famine that's definitely happening everywhere the show doesn't depict.

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If you sacrificed 7 dorks, every day, for 7 years, you'd still be the dorkiest fuck around.

>blew up the religious capital of the realm killing dozens of innocents in the process
Hmmm I wonder why.

She is slowly turning into the mad queen and attempt to burn down king's landing when Dany's army is invading and Azor Jaime will kill her with his Valyrian steel sword and it will be POTTERY. Now that are her children are dead she doesn't love anything any more and is only driven by her lust for power.

>destroy benevolent religion seeking equality
bad bait

holy fuck i read that in tywins voice xd

She raised a cunt and a pussy, and a daughter who was a character too I guess

holy shit fucking this.
>Robert Baratheon is an idiot horrible king who gets the crown into unsustainable levels of debt
>plays a hand in getting him killed in a hunting accident by getting him really drunk, crown stops bleeding money for awhile
>Joffrey was a fucking cunt but he kept everything in line for the most part, way better than Robert as a king despite his cruelty
>After Joffrey dies Tommen basically allows the Tyrells and The Faith to walk all over him and totally disrespect the crown and government
>seems like the whole god damn city is going crazy
>Cersei kills literally everyone responsible for this madness and her shithead pussy son kills himself
>she is now Queen and for the first time since before The Mad Kings rule the Iron Throne is stable and crownlands secure and free from infighting
>literally the only reason she is a "villain" is because she isnt as young or as pretty as Dany and fucks her brother so normies hate her

She armed the faith and then promptly blew them all up. I can't imagine either of those were good for the region.

With her dealing with the bank of Bravos I imagine they might be on their way to adapting the storyline where she says fuck the bank and fuck up the economy like the books.

>Joffrey keeps things in line
>Starts the war of the 5 kings

ok

she's a semen demon

Honestly Robert was doing fine. He was chugging through their gold but a little debt isnt the worst thing in the world, they would have just married one of their kids into the Tyrells for money.

>crown stops bleeding money for awhile
>engaging in a needless war
Pick one.

you're an idiot.
Joffrey was legally in the eyes of literally everyone the rightful heir to the throne. As an audience we know he was not but Ned Stark, Stannis Baratheon, and Cersei and Jaime Lannister are the only people who know that not to be true.
So to all of Westeros, Renly and Stannis are the ones responsible for breaking up the kingdoms by seperately rising against Joffrey. Balon Greyjoy crowned himself again pretty much entirely independent of the events of the rest of the show. The only thing you can pin on Joffrey is the rebellion in the North since Robb Stark marched south pretty much entirely because Ned was imprisoned then beheaded. That war turned into a shitshow because Ned Stark is a total fucking moron who made no effort to put Stannis in a strong position to claim the throne.
Also Margarey could never manipulate Joffrey the way she manipulated Tommen. Joffrey was clearly open to her but not totally beholden to her whims like Tommen was. Joffrey certainly wouldnt have let the Faith Militant trample over the law the way they did under Tommens rule. On top of that, the dornish royal family never would have survived after Myrcella died. Joffrey would have burnt dorne to the ground.

Well book Cersei is a drunk and paranoid queen regent who is actively doing everything she can to fall ass backwards into chaos.

TV Cersei murders a fuckload of people and started a major war that split the realm apart all because she hated her drunk husband among other reasons.

>Implying Joffrey started any of those wars
>Implying Cersei started the wars she is engaged in now
Robb, Balon, Stannis, and Renly all chose to start their rebellions, not Joffrey.
Dany decided to invade westeros, Olenna decided to rebel, Ellaria decieded to rebel, not Cersei.
Not saying Cersei and Joffrey are inoccent but if you want to get technicaly they did not start any wars, only finished them.

Robert was incompetent and stupid, so the people who really had power were the corrupt beurocrats that surrounded him

Damn she is.

She had a hand in Robert getting killed by that boar. If Robert had lived, then Westeros would've enjoyed centuries of peace and fun tournaments under House Baratheon, and even if she HADN"T gotten Robert killed, she still produced an impostor heir to the Baratheon bloodline, and if Eddard hadn't noticed then the entire legacy of House Baratheon would've been silently subverted because she just HAD to fuck her brother. She is a 4D cunt that fucked everything up for everybody forever.

Joffrey started the war with the North by cutting off Ned Stark's head against the wishes of the council, his to-be wife and his mother. Had he kept it in his pants, the North and the South's relationship would have been stronger than ever.

>>Implying Joffrey started any of those wars
>>Implying Cersei started the wars she is engaged in now
I was actually implying Cersei caused the war of the 5 kings. Also Joffrey directly caused the Robb rebellion.

While true overall Westeros was in a pretty good place, especially compared to any time after his death.

Robb's rebellion was already in full swing prior to Ned dying. It started when Cat took Tyrion hostage, prompting Tywin and the Lannisters to go after the Tullys, which got the Starks and the north involved. Now this could have been avoided or at least lessened had Cersei not taken Ned and the Stark girl(s) hostage.

Ned dying by Joffrey just made it so that peace was impossible. The Starks would never sue for peace when their leader got his head cut off.

Cersei blowing up the sparrows, along with her son's wife, was completely justified. I know some innocent people there died as well, but a lot more would die in a regular war against the sparrows

>starkfags will defend this

When was Cersei's heel-face turn? The walk of shame?

Early on in the show she was easily the most hated character behind Joffrey but now she seems to have legions of genuine fans

Of course she has fans, instead of blue balling viewers by watching Religious fanatics walk all over King's Landing and the crown, she solved everything in the most satisfying way possible.

>Purposely got her husband killed
>Blew up the Sept of baelor
I'm sure there's more

It's great to see her fuck up the people that fucked her family up.
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You mean Ned telling Cersei that he knew or later when he gave her the option to flee kings landing?

I like the Stark's but yeah Ned fucked up. He revealed his hand before he had firmly secured Stannis or Renly's help. Secondly he didn't take Cersei out when he had the chance but that's more because Ned was chivalrous to a fault and thought she would just play nice.

>murder Bobby B
>stabilize the realm

Why do people act like she did a bad thing by blowing up the septim?

>fanatics take over the city
>taking control of the crown
>fanatics hate technology
>kill fanatics
>woow ur so bad for saving King's Landing #TeamDany

And people saying you can't compare Daenerys to her. Of course you can't, Cersei was a hero.

Cersei had Jon Arryn killed when he found out about the incest, which led to Robert inviting Ned to become King's Hand and Ned's investigation into why Jon was murdered

>warrior king robert bored of ruling
>if he had lived 5 more years and his bitch wife didn't kill him he would've been immortalized as god-king baratheon destroyer of the white-walker menace and defender of the dawn
>would've had the time of his life doing so
>this also would've been a much better tv show

I enjoy cercie but there is no doubt as a human she is rotten to the core

What was her tax policy?

>>destroy benevolent religion seeking equality
terrible b8
>>start a war of 5 armies because she didn't want her incestual trysts to be revealed
She's not the one who started that.
>>killed an incompetent yet peaceful king to start even more conflicts
Killing Robert would not, in itself, have led to war, that was due to actions beyond her control.
>>tried putting her murderous sociopath kid on the throne
As a figurehead, she and Tywin were really running things.
>>executed innocent men just so she can keep her gravy train of lies and deceit going
So did everyone else, and if we're talking realm stability here it might have worked.

They had Ned and his family with them, they could have peacefully resolved it easily without killing him.

Never would've been a problem if Robert wasn't a drunk who obsessed over Lyanna

well evidently she had the right idea since the first time that info really got out there Stannis and Renly called in the Baratheon and Tyrell armies up to openly rebel thus starting the war of 5 kings.
Ned was an idiot for opening up that can of worms.
His stupidity caused the death of his eldest son, his youngest son, and his wife as well as tens of thousands if not hundreds of thousands of soldiers and civilians.
>war of 5 kings
wouldnt have happened if not for Ned
>Red Wedding
wouldnt have happened if not for Ned
>Battle of Blackwater
wouldnt have happened if not for Ned

I'm sensing a pattern here

She empowered those fanatics in the first place to go after the Tyrells and it backfired on her. Then she murdered everyone involved including the people she gave power to and the Tyrells. Basically she had an enemy, made a mess to beat that enemy and then killed dozens of people to clean up everything in the most brutal and destructive way possible.

So, she's like the USA with the Talaban.

Would read/10.

Tyene and whip girl were cute so it was sad to see them go but on the whole it was so satisfying to see the sand sneks and by extension the god awful show version of Dorne snuffed out

That logic is retarded. You're arguing that because Ned could have potentially prevented a war from happening that its his fault it happened, instead of the people directly causing the war. Yeah he fucked up being the hero because he was too noble but he was trying to fix a shit situation to begin with.

Which is what Cersei wanted. She was willing to settle for peace with Starks and the North provided Ned convinced them to stop the fighting and Ned took the black and fucked off to the North to let her and the south do its thing. She was just using his kids and leverage to get him to comply.

Joffery fucked up her plan when he had Ned killed. Which admittedly he had no idea was even in the works. When Ned died it meant the North would never concede with simple peace.

>BLOWING UP A CHURCH TO ASSASSINATE YOUR POLITICAL RIVALS AND YOUR SON'S FIANCÉ TO HOLD ONTO THE THRONE IN A POWER GRAB WHILE ALSO KILLING HUNDREDS OF INNOCENT SUBJECTS WHO HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH ANYTHING

Exactly so how is the North's rebellion not Joffrey's fault?

Not evil. Just obsessed with power.

the best way to prevent the war was to do nothing.
There was no conflict with Joffrey on the throne, at least in terms of warfare, apart from the events set in motion directly by Ned Stark. If Cersei had things her way there would be no investigation and Joffrey would rule. Robb Stark maybe would have rebelled anyway but without Stannis serving as a supremely dangerous and much more immediate threat compared to Robb, and potentially instead serving as a loyal ally to the crown (he was said to be just as honorable and bound by law as Ned) Robb would be nothing more than a minor annoyance.
Balon certainly would have rebelled anyway no matter what was going on Kings Landing but his aggression was almost entirely directed at the North. With the Boltons already willing to betray the Starks the far weaker position they would be in in this scenario would prompt a much earlier Bolton betrayal making the Stark defeat extremely swift. That just leaves the Boltons to defeat the Ironborn on their own, a task that they are evidently very capable of. Even if they werent, the entirety of Westeros against a far weaker and desperate Ironborn rebellion can only go one way.

she did evil shit for selfish reasons

Its extremely unlikely Ned would negotiate for peace at that point. If he wasnt under threat of death he wouldnt have confessed. Fear of what Joffrey might do was his motivation, and if he knew he wouldnt be killed he would still support Robbs efforts.
Joffrey didnt start the war, as someone else said earlier the thread he just made peace negotiations impossible. But honestly peace was already impossible. Think of the northern bannermen. They dont just crown a guy King of the North for nothing, they wanted out and they wouldnt let Robb or Ned turn back at that point.

Because it started before Joffery killed Ned. The North rebelled when Ned and the Stark girls got were captured and held prisoner. They were fighting to get him back. When he died they said "fuck it, lets be independent"

They fighting was already going on before the whole Ned/Joffery thing.

Or the USA with ISIS and Al-Qaeda

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Not gonna lie, got a pretty stiff vicarious vengeance boner from that scene.

That great tier is reaching.

Cersei is not elder god tier. She's high tier at best. Tywin would be elder god tier.

> So to all of Westeros, Renly and Stannis are the ones responsible for breaking up the kingdoms by seperately rising against Joffrey.

Sure that might be true to "all of Westeros" but we as an audience know that that is not true. The war was started by Jaime and Cersei because they took actions to hide their incest. For example, they attempted to kill Bran which antagonized the Starks and the Tullys. Then they also killed Eddard Stark because he knew about the incest. They also earned the enmity of the Baratheons including when they discovered the children weren't Baratheons but pretenders. Literally the whole thing was to cover up their incest.

> It started when Cat took Tyrion hostage, prompting Tywin and the Lannisters to go after the Tullys, which got the Starks and the north involved.

It started before that when Cersei and Jaime threw Bran Stark out of the window to cover up their incest. Had that not happened they wouldn't have brought Tyrion to trial in the Vale to determine his involvement.

>Blaming Ned for sniffing out a conspiracy plot that includes multiple murders including the king.

>The North rebelled when Ned and the Stark girls got were captured and held prisoner.
So again, not Cersei and Joffrey's fault?

Actually it was Littlefinger that pointed the blame onto Tyrion this starting the chain of events that led to the war. Catelyn had no idea who was to blame at first until Littlefinger suggested it.

everything was fine and the realm was peaceful before Ned Stark showed up

Agreed, Tywin knew how to get shit done. Cersei tried to be the mastermind behind the scenes but she pretty much failed at every turn. When Joffrey was king she tried to control him, but failed, which resulted in Ned getting executed, starting a huge shitstorm of a chain reaction. Then when Joffrey and Tywin died she once again tried to manipulate her other son who was king, only to have a religious cult pretty much take over, as well as got herself captured and tortured by them. Tywin would have never let that shit happen. Cersei is finally at a point in the series where shes a queen and has direct power, except shes not really a military strategist and in no way has the smarts to keep the throne.

More Cersei's fault than Joffery. Her trying to kill Bran and taking Ned hostage and accusing him of treason were more of a factor for the start of the northern rebellion than Joffery's actions. Joffery just solidified the norths decision for declaring independence by killing Ned. Ned dying led the North to believe that King's Landing wasn't worth their allegiance and they were better off ruling themselves.

>Tywin would have never let that shit happen.

And yet he did.

>mfw the sword's name is widow's wail
like pottery

>Actually it was Littlefinger that pointed the blame onto Tyrion this starting the chain of events that led to the war. Catelyn had no idea who was to blame at first until Littlefinger suggested it.
There would have been no need to place blame on anyone in the first place had Bran not been attacked in the first to cover up the incest. Littlefinger just exacerbated a problem that already existed.

He was dead at the time so I don't know how he could have let it happen as a corpse. The sparrows would have never taken Cersei if Tywin was alive because one Tywin would never have allowed the sparrows to exist in the first place and two he would have butchered the fuck out them them if they took Cersei for the slight against his house.

If you're talking about Jofferys fuck up with Ned then all I can say is that Tywin was in the Riverlands burning the place to the ground. If he was there he would have most likely prevented Ned's beheading knowing the political ramifications of that happening.

In the first season its following the books more closely and in the 1st one it's implied Cersei and Ned were friends-ish at some point in the past.

I bet you were hoping for a 7 get

Ned was friends with Robert but its never stated in the books that he really knew Cersei other than at her wedding with Robert. Remember after the rebellion Ned spent nearly all his time in the North, aside from the brief moment during the greyjoy rebellion to help Robert.

So it wasn't so much a friendship but Ned's character as he was written. He was the idea of chivalry and honor and that's what got him killed. Cause he believed that Cersei being a woman and faced with Ned knew would just up and leave (which he told her to do) rather than fight back. Also he didn't expect Robert to suddenly die like he did.

Going off of books here so let's do this.

>Raising Joffrey
>Having kids with Jaime (LITERALLY caused the War of the Five Kings--and don't act like it wasn't on purpose, Cersei literally scooped Robert's jizz out of her pussy to avoid having Baratheon children. Stupid, but it happened)
>Assassinating Robert ("assassination" might be a heavy word for it but "seducing your cousin and having him make sure the king gets shitfaced while boar-spearing with the intent to get him killed" is still something--again, Robert's death kicks off the War of the Five Kings)
>Raising Joffrey, which gets Ned killed and--say it with me now--is part of what kicked off the War of the Five Kings
>Refusing to help the North (everyone's guilty of this, yeah, but that doesn't mean she's any less guilty)
>De-clawing the King's Guard, filling it with yes-men and even *more* seduced lovers loyal to her and utterly incompetent at everything else
>Same thing with her small council; she systematically ignores their advice, firing them if they disagree with her and turning the council into a worthless echo-chamber. This might work out if she wasn't a fucking paranoid insano, but she is.
>Raising Joffrey
>Allowing the Faith Militant to return, holy shit
>RAISING. JOFFREY.

That's off the top of my head. Cersei has done more to destabilize the realm than any other single person in ASOIAF. Fucking Dany is doing a worse job of it. Consider this: Varys literally assassinates Kevan to make sure Cersei gets back in the saddle because she is doing his fucking job for him.

Side-note: this is partly why her chapters are some of the best in the series. Cersei is the absolute best at fucking shit up, it's amazing.

>Refusing to help the North

That was a weird way to put it. I should specify that I'm talking about Castle Black and the Night's Watch. the North is their whole own thing.

Let's be honest for a second: Who wouldn't if they had a sister as hot as Cersei who was that in to you
Anyone who hates on it is obviously jealous of the absence of such a genuine love from their own lives

>reddithood is idolising ned
>enlightenhood is realising that his morals and actions were the cause of the shitfest

it's almost like it's a redpill for bleeding-heart liberals to see that simply having morals doesn't make you a good person,

ned was selfish in that he just wanted to hide in his comfy little fell when he should have been down south councelling his dumb fat fuck friend. he never learned how to deal with the snakes, trusted littlefinger and various other bullshittings. none of his morals were backed up by action and his was blindly fumbling through life on honour alone, you think he would have fucking learnt something from jon ary..oh wait he was a stupid old fuck too.

Weren't they lovers since childhood?

Seems like the solution was to just let them marry rather than try to put Cersei through arranged marriages 3 times.

Yes, iirc they came out of the womb together and one was holding the other's ankle

Maybe the families were afraid of incest because of what happened to the Targs over time

>Maybe the families were afraid of incest because of what happened to the Targs over time

Tywin broke them up because Cersei needed to marry a prince or a king for him to achieve his plans for world domination. Incest isn't terrifically scandalous in this world. But Tywin always treated his children like tools; Cersei's function was to secure for him a seat of power in King's Landing and put a half-Lannister king on the throne, Jaime's was to inherit his seat at Casterly Rock (Tyrion's role was to choke on a cock and die, at least as far as Tywin was concerned). That couldn't be done if they fucked off and married each other.

Besides, whether he knew it or not Tywin was probably doing the best thing he ever did for Jaime by breaking them up. Jaime selflessly loved Cersei, but Cersei was a horrible, heartless human being from the word go (maybe before she received her prophecy she was okay, but she was certainly irrecoverably ruined as a functional person after that). Being Jaime in the Jaime/Cersei relationship was suffering.

Ultimately the joke was on Tywin on account of Jaime joining the King's Guard and thus disqualifying himself from inheriting House Lannister anyway, and Cersei for refusing to bear Baratheon children, in all likelihood ending the chances of Lannister blood sitting on the Iron Throne. Honestly the only kid that didn't royally fuck Tywin over was Tyrion--right up until he shot him to death.

Thank you for the explanation, it makes more sense now

Why does she look like Chie now? What did I miss?

That was Finger's doing

Robert was a degenerare crybaby who acted like a spoiled irresponsible child because he couldn't get his waifu he had since like once in his entire life time

She had her husband killed remember
And then had Ned killed for uncovering the truth, which was that Roberts kids were actually fathered by her own brother

You dumb cuck

Ned was autistic as fuck.

Ned was too pure for this world.

True but he was a good man none the less

Her husband Who cheated on her with whores all day every day

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>Joffrey was legally in the eyes of literally everyone the rightful heir to the throne.
Nigger, it was an open secret that everyone knew Joffrey was an incest baby. Everyone but Robert and the others knew that Cersei's kids were illegitimate but played along since the Lannisters had the power anyway.

Because she looks like a bitch.