Education should be free

>Education should be free

public education wont give the lowest end of society social mobility

>life should be free

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FИCК OFF MEГDA! STИPID CAPITALIST!

When education isn't free, society is the one who pays for it down the line.

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aksjakjskaksjka

Why should I care about it when I can pirate almost every book and Udemy course online?

hmm

Of course.
Education and healthcare should be free. Fuck the housing, fuck the welfare gibs, fuck the food stamps.
A healthy and learned citizenry makes for a strong nation

But that's literally how "free" education or "free" anything is paid for. By society. Not that I have a problem with that, just saying.

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kjaskasjksajkskajkas

The prom with all liberal and conservative philosophy is that they both require a just world as an axiom.

>LET ME IN THE UNIVERSITY FOR FREE

>anything should not be free

lim(-1/x^2) wojak

>Education and healthcare should be free.
Cue slews of good for nothing students and an army of pensioners which grows every year.

FUCK OFF WITH YOUR CAPITALISM!!!!

No, it's an investment. Investing into the future of the nation.
You're looking at an upfront cost and forgetting about the greater context of what that money is being used for. Highly educated people create new industries and generate new and dynamic wealth. Dumb cunts don't.

What did you say.

We're just arguing semantics here pal.
I don't disagree with you.

>Dumb cunts don't.
Dumb cunts also don't learn even if you let them learn for free.

t. Insecure posh brainlet

The dumb cunts of today in the modern world are vastly smarter than the dumb cunts in the same countries less than 100 years ago. Education works to raise the lowest common denominator.

>imposing a non-merit-based hurdle on a higher education is a good thing
>crippling the number one path of social mobility is a good thing

This.
Someone with an IQ of 100 today would have an IQ of 125 - 130 in 1920 (if we readjusted the standardisation) because of the flynn effect (or whatever variables lead to it).

They still work the equivalents of 100 year old jobs and don't actually move society or technological progress anywhere.

You're making some huge generalisations here without any specifics. What jobs are you talking about? Nursing is a 100 year old job, but it's absolutely essential. Now more than ever.

Governments should buy sperm and eggs to create children.

This remains a large problem in my country. Tossing them out leads to higher crime and a lot of labor friction. Keeping them in the class results in them making learning nearly impossible for the other students that want to be there.

Best solution we've tried so far is stratifying the students, but obviously this has it's downsides as well.

>you should pay for things

Where does x approximates?

>Now more than ever.
You mean nursing the kids (of which there are less and less thanks to every cunt getting an education and postponing having kids) or the elderly (of which there are mroe and more because the free healthcare keeps them alive no matter what)?

>what are you talking about
I'm saying unregulated free education and free healthcare is going to be the death of the western society.

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The problem with modern education is not that it's provided for everyone, the problem is that teachers have no power anymore. After a general education until about the age of 12 - 13, there should be trade schools for those that want them and are better suited for them (not that I look down on trades).
So again, the problem is not education being provided to everyone, it's how we go about doing it. The current way needs adjustments.

Prove it.
Not one of your assertions corresponds with reality, you're obviously some deluded Sup Forumstard.
Go here, where your ravings are accepted without question.

>You should pay taxes and get nothing free

In an age of highly developed and specialized economies, higher education has already become the standard that replaced secondary education. Professions that didn't require any skill are going extinct left and right due to optimization and automation. Any modern country needs a highly educated and competitive workforce in the future. Any moves to further limit access to this education by imposing non-meritional fees for example will seriously damage any modern economy in the long run.

The same applies to implementing more expensive private healthcare systems over public ones. When unhealthy people drop out of the workforce because of diseases that would've otherwise easily prevented by adequate care then they stop being tax paying and productive citizens that contribute to the the country's economy.

So tell me, why do you want to destroy modern economies and trigwtheir collapse. Are you a communist?

>We shouldn't utilize all the academic potential in our population, because social mobility is for fags

99.99% of your ancestors were illiterate peasants, you retard. Be grateful. Since you're from eastern Europe, you probably only need to go back 1 or 2 generations.

So to avoid good for nothing students you want to only accept those who are rich enough to go instead of like making an entrance test or something, because money decides who is right for the school and who isn't instead of actual skill ?

Have a look at the demographics of any western country. Replacement rate is 2.1 births per woman. None of the European nations have that. Then have a look at how education affects the age of first pregnancy.

>British education
I guess that's what you can expect with public education

>a highly educated and competitive workforce
What for. You don't need an army of geniuses to create those automatons, just a small group. The rest might as well have subpar education, companies are already making sure technology is idiot-proof enough for it to work.

>healthcare
The biggest sums of money are spent not on those productive but on those who are not.

>are you a communist
Funny, you seem to be the one advocating government involvement in matters where free market could function just as well.

Most of the time, money is a pretty good judge of what the people are capable of. By large, geniuses are not born to poor fucks with zero education, they are born and most importantly raised by parents with some modicum of wealth and education.

The free market cannot fix everything.
Or are you suggesting that those people afflicted with diseases/illnesses that cannot turn a profit should just die?
That's not very first world of you

>Funny, you seem to be the one advocating government involvement in matters where free market could function just as well.

You want to remove all the institutions that made capitalism survive during the last century. There is a subset of communists called accelerationists who oppose any kind of welfare because the more hyper-capitalist the more likely is its collapse in favor of socialism. And you sound just like them.

My grand grandmother and father were poor villagers. My grandmother was a doctor.
My grand grandfather from the other side was a villager, my grandfather was a CEO. How ? Yugoslavia gave them free fucking school.

Socialism doesn't work.

Capitalism doesn't work.

Capitalism absolutely works, in fact it is the only economic system we know of that works.

It works when you have some control over it and make it work for you, like in the Scandinavian countries.

Hayek supported welfare, btw.

Capitalism with strict regulations and continuous revisions and financial auditing* works

education, especially at primary and secondary levels, has significant social returns/benefits to society so yea defo

Enjoy paying and getting into debt for having education

t. dude who attends public university

It's working so much that people from both the first world and the third world are starving to death as we're speaking while people that never worked in their whole life are living like kings

>dude lets take the money from the younger generation and help the older generation save money

>tfw did a 6 year degree
>tfw doing a job that doesnt even require a degree and pays peanuts

>that made capitalism survive
Ah, that nonsense again.

Pretty much. We are going to degenerate as species if you let every defective cunt reproduce.

>it works in Scandinavia
I beg to differ.

I have nothing against welfare, for those that actually need it which is a really small minority and not very expensive.

If you are not a productive member of society, yes you will indeed not be able to put food on the table. What is the solution? Be productive.

People starving is not the fault of capitalism but that of nature, you're born into this world starving. You're owed nothing, you own nothing and you have no rights.

As for people who inherited something, how is that any fault of capitalism? People have inherited things for thousands of years. Fucking commies wanting to take what others have earned.

It's always un-empathetic cunts like you who get hit the hardest when they actually face an emergency. Let's see you write that same sentence when something as simple as a car crash or throat cancer happens to you personally and everyone just says

"eh defective cunt, leave him be, it's better for the planet"

>Capitalism absolutely works
If you're an oligarch.

Go ahead and remove all worker's benefits and aid but don't be surprised when the lynch mob comes knocking at your door plunders your mansion and rapes your daughter because it will.

Pray tell, which other economic system has done what capitalism has done?

Name a better place to live than Scandinavia. You don't know how good you have it, you dummy.

>muh feelings

You have to be over 18 to post on this website, children.

That wish came true in here and public education fucked all children's brains because it is shit.

virgin private chad public

It works for 1% of the population

USA for one.

Tell me again how good I have it. Sweden is an absolute shithole which you would know if you lived here.

It works for 100% of the population. Socialism however, merely works for the 1% as the rest will be poor, living in misery starving at best, or slaving away in a working camp or dead at worst.

>You're owed nothing, you own nothing and you have no rights.

>People have inherited things for thousands of years. Fucking commies wanting to take what others have earned.
>What is the solution? Be productive.

Kys edgelord with cognitive dysfunction

Education should be a human right. It should be enforced everywhere.

t. retarded commie who doesn't even understand basic economics, and the problems are to be solved by a small tyrannical group deciding everything for everyone

fucking end yourself so we get rid of you from the gene pool

Education, armed forces, hospitals, infrastructure, and most of the other jobs the Government has require less than 30% of the total revenue.
Pensions, welfare, and subsidization represent the other 70%.
Nuke the slums and let people save for their own retirement and we'll be colonizing Andromeda in a couple of decades.

for your social Darwinism to work (which in itself is a concept fit for the 16 year old that you are btw) you need to have everyone start with an equal starting position in life.

If say everyone gets born in the same circumstances and get the same wages and the same opportunities then we can agree that the ones that dont take these opportunities and fail arent fit to stay alive.

>USA for one.
Feel free to move there if you really believe that. You'll soon change your tone, spoiled child.

>usa is good
>scandinavia is shit
t. has never worked a day in his life

Everyone starts at an equal position, we're all born into live with nothing, direct poverty.

Tell me, which opportunities do I have which someone else do not?

We can all play football, however we are no Zlatans. We can all get an education, yet none of us are Zuckerberg or Musk.

Also, same circumstances, something equal, is not natural. Nothing in nature is equal, why would humans be any different?

I'd gladly move, sadly I am stuck in this dystopian hell hole.

>working only for 75% of your income to be stolen is positive

wtf are you talking about you dumb nigger? the opportunities you started off with - however lackluster they may seem to you - put you at a headstart against 90% of the rest of the World's population

>not denying never having worked a day in his life

Yes? I happened to be born in a 1st world country. Does that mean everyone else has some god given right to anything that is mine?

>Everyone starts at an equal position

Yes, a starving Ethiopian who doesn't even have access to basic things like clean water has the same kind of life as someone born in a middle-class family in Sweden.

>Everyone starts at an equal position
(you)

Your entire political ideology is based on the Just World Fallacy. You must be some pampered business student living in some suburban hellhole that has never really worked a single minute in his life

>publicly educated dane can't read
Not surprised desu

>nature is equal

My "political ideology" is based on reality, on facts.

Wealth is produced, not redistributed.

As someone who believes in social darwinism I hope you are ok with the workers bashing your head and taking your daddy's wealth once you took away their welfare. Because it's survival of the strongest right?

>Anyone with a proper education should be able to pay off 90,000 in student loans in a matter for 4 years.

Filthy commies can always try.

How is being born at random to rich parents or in a 1st world country exactly equal?
I'm guessing you can't because you're a loser and wasted the amazing world class educational opportunities you have.

I can pay for my healthcare and if governments didn't support medical monopolies, it would probably be cheaper too

>because it will
That's what the police and army is for.

So what are you doing here?