Is the book as ambiguous as the film as to whether the murders actually took place?

Is the book as ambiguous as the film as to whether the murders actually took place?

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Even more so, he has lots of visual hallucinations

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It was very difficult to get through the book. Imagine the film's consumerism gimmick distended over a couple hundred pages - not fun.

To answer your question: yes, Bateman is the very definition of an unreliable narrator.

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I've never even thought the murders could be fake. Never understood where it was implied in the book until my dumbest friend, who had never read a book in his life, borrow it from me.

Now when I think about it, I have the same feeling as Deckard being a replicant.

Maybe those retards are right and I'm even dumber than them.

Book makes it pretty clear that most if not all of the murders were just in his mind

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At one point he thinks a Cheerio is getting interviewed during a morning news broadcast.

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I think Ellis' work is actually quite under-rated but you need to be mindful of what kind of people he's writing about. If went to a preppy East Coast vanity school like Bennington Less Than Zero is an honest-to-god perfect representation of those people.

Likewise, American Psycho was written for the greed-driven Wall St. of the Reagan era. Bateman's misogyny is actually a mask for his latent homosexuality

He's a legitimate psycho in the book. He's ugly, dresses in a bunch of random mismatched clothing, and is obsessed with the weirdest shit. The movie fails to capture any of that and instead focuses on money and capitalism. Yeah, it was part of his psychotic thoughts, but it wasn't the focus of it.

There's a reason people seem to think it's just making fun of yuppies.

no. anyone who says otherwise hasn't read the book

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If anything the book makes a stronger case for the murders all being in his head, since some of the killings are more far-fetched and his friends are ostensibly portrayed being just as unreliable as he is.

That said, the book gets pretty boring; it's basically the same satirical joke played out over and over again.

“Oh, I almost forgot,” I say, reaching into my pocket. “I wrote you a poem.” I hand her the slip of paper. “Here.” I feel sick and broken, tortured, really on the brink.
“Oh Patrick.” She smiles. “How sweet.”
“Well, you know,” I say, looking down shyly.
Bethany takes the slip of paper and unfolds it.
“Read it,” I urge enthusiastically.
She looks it over quizzically, puzzled, squinting, then she turns the page over to see if there’s anything on the back. Something in her understands it’s short and she looks back at the words written, scrawled in red, on the front of the page.
“It’s like haiku, you know?” I say. “Read it. Go on.”
She clears her throat and hesitantly begins reading, slowly, stopping often. “ ’The poor nigger on the wall. Look at him.’” She pauses and squints again at the paper, then hesitantly resumes. “ ’Look at the poor nigger. Look at the poor nigger… on… the… wall.’” She stops again, faltering, looks at me, confused, then back at the paper.
“Go on,” I say, looking around for a waiter. “Finish it.”
She clears her throat and staring steadily at the paper tries to read the rest of it in a voice below a whisper. “ ’Fuck him… Fuck the nigger on the wall…’” She falters again, then reads the last sentence, sighing. “ ’Black man… is… de… debil?’”
The couple at the next table have slowly turned to gaze over at us. The man looks aghast, the woman has an equally horrified expression on her face. I stare her down, glaring, until she looks back at her fucking salad.
“Well, Patrick,” Bethany says, clearing her throat, trying to smile, handing the paper back to me.
“Yes?” I ask. “Well?”
“I can see that”—she stops, thinking—“that your sense of… social injustice is”—she clears her throat again and looks down—“still intact.”
I take the paper back from her and slip it in my pocket and smile, still trying to keep a straight face

I wrote out that poem and stuck it on my housemate's door one time, not realising that he had invited a bunch of his friends (one of whom was black) to a house party that day.

Bateman was also obsessed with Trump in the book. Brett Easton Ellis basically predicted the alt-right.

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dresses in random mismatched clothing? He's very selective about his clothing, he friends even ask for fashion advice. He literally never fails to tell the reader what he's wearing. I could be wrong though I never looked up every combination of his clothes just assumed he always made a point of dressing well.

Trump has been the personification of yuppie greed and shallow celebrity culture for decades. It's still so surreal that he's actual president. It's almost poetic.

The book has evidence of both, actually. The book has the same evidence as the movie as to how it didn't happen. In the book however, Bateman gets addicted and robbed by a taxi driver who recognizes him from a wanted poster downtown. The driver also mentions him killing one of his friends. Another instance is him meeting the begger he blinded near the beginning of the book. The beggar clearly recognizes his voice and gets scared, showing he knows Patrick and that Patrick harmed him Patrick also mentions he has severed vaginas in his gym locker, implying he still killed someone. These take place after the cop chase scene, so it's still possible he killed them. But, then again, since he's an unreliable narrator, who knows

Book is unironically not as good as the movie.

The only people that disagree are faggots that are proud that they read the book and aren't much of readers.

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The book spends way too much time describing what everyone is wearing. I get why Bret did it, but it got old real quick.

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It's baffling to me that it never occurred to you. Just how?

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It really confuses people who haven't bothered to look up the book clothing pieces. Especially since he dresses well and is obsessed with looking good in the movie.

In the book, none of his clothes match. He picks expensive pieces that other people like, but the pairing is horrible. If he actually wore the outfits in the book, he'd look like a circus clown. Even for someone in the 80s.

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It's more explicit but it never was 'ambiguous' in the film or book unless you were retarded and missed the point of the story.

All of Bateman's opinions in the book are trash, he's just very confident about them. His clothing taste is terrible and his advice is just plain wrong most of the time, his workout routine is a fucking joke and his music opinions are obviously awful.


It's not even a complex book but so many people seem to misunderstand things about it.

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Yeah, the book sometimes makes you think he didn't actually do it, but there's a strange scene at the end where he gets held up by a taxi driver who recognizes him as someone who murdered his friend. That part got me.
As a side note, i wouldn't recommend the book to anyone without a lot of patience. The violence and torture is exponentially worse, and it really is intense and shocking in some parts, but unless you like hundreds of extra pages describing brand names, wardrobes, and analysis of Whitney Houston, Phil Collins and Huey Lewis, don't do it. It's an absolute chore at some parts.
It is really funny occasionally, though, especially when he tries to act street smart to black people. Patrick loved trump, too, and mentions him dozens of times in the book

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The DFW short story Girl With Curious Hair basically takes a big fat vindictive dump on Ellis and his work

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That was great. It's the essence of what Schumacher was going for with his TV series homage

>Patrick loved trump, too
WTF I hate American Psycho now

deckard isn't a replicant

>Bateman's misogyny is actually a mask for his latent homosexuality

I really hope you mean Ellis and not Bateman.

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In the book he may or may not be. That's the point. Sequel might address this, in the trailer goose visits an police station, in the book an alternate police station manned by "replicants" was a key plot point.

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The movie is shit compared to book. You should just read the actual book instead of the Wikipedia page.

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there's nothing latent about ellis liking cock
he openly fucks both women and dudes

Yeah, but saying Bateman is a latent homosexual is just your autistic head cannon.

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there's nothing in the book that makes you think patrick is closeted.he hates gay people and kills a few, but none of the shit he does has anything to with him being gay.

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> he gets a fucking boner while being in the presence of Bono

Who wouldn't?

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>In the book he may or may not be
Lol why even pretend you've read it when you obviously haven't? The author, along with the original screenwriter and even Harrison Ford, of Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep? was even a consultant for Bladerunner and was fervently against Ridley Scott's bullshit Deckard Replicant story contrivance and Scott even had a rambling interview about it where he flips his gourd and basically tells everyone to go fuck themselves because he's the director

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>unless you like hundreds of extra pages describing brand names, wardrobes

The funnies shit is when you realize all the stuff they're wearing doesn't make any sense and they'd look like clowns.

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he may have gotten aroused, but he also saw bono turn into a demon and breath fire on stage
it's more to do with him being psychotic than him being gay

The book takes every element in the movie and makes it more extreme, so both
He has way more hallucinations and they are much more casual
>He watches an interview with a talking Cheerio and is chased by a park bench
But the murders are also much more gruesome in detailed. My general take is he did murder people but probably not all of them. dont think it makes much of a difference, if he hasnt killed anyone he is so crazy he will

I thought he might be closeted in the first few chapters but he really isnt. He just hates fags a lot

His reaction to Louis basically seals his sexuality
He cant even comprehend being gay he just generally doesnt kill people who are in love with him

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You realize that the director ruined all the speculation a few years ago, right? He outright stated Deckard was a replicant. There is zero argument now when the writer/director directly says that's the way it is

Patrick didn't love trump. Trump was a model for wealth status and taste for the rest of them. In the end they bitch about Reagan, so as far as politics Patrick wouldn't agree. He'd go along with the trump hate train to fit in if he were around today. He doesn't actually feel anything

Bateman isnt homosexual. Stop seeing stuff that isn't there just because you want to overthink shit. Bateman is unfeeling and doesnt care about women but he still uses them as sex objects

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He most definitely killed a few if not most. People always forget about what you mentioned

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