Why do Persians follow the religion of an Arab? Why aren't they Zoroastrian?
Why do Persians follow the religion of an Arab? Why aren't they Zoroastrian?
Jeremiah Jenkins
Jaxson Ward
zarathustra was born in afghanistan, so by that logic, why would persians follow an eastern iranic religion rather than a western iranic one
they aren't zoroastrian today because the average person in sassanid greater iran didn't know shit about zoroastrianism, it was all in the hands of corrupt clergy so converting the laymen to islam was simple
William James
you're retarded. there's a lot bigger difference between arabs and persians rather than different iranic groups
Adrian Gonzalez
my second point still stands
Elijah Harris
Iranians practically projected Zoroaster's tropes and looks on Ali
Asher Clark
shiism comes from iraqis and turks dumb albo
Grayson Lopez
Because Islam is the religion of the whole humanity.
Levi Sullivan
>why would persians follow an eastern iranic religion rather than a western iranic one
Retard, it WAS a western Iranic religion, especially by the Sassanian period. If you really want to be picky, the OP can be rephrased as "why don't Iranians follow an Iranic religion, such as the cult of Siyavash, etc."
> average person in sassanid greater iran didn't know shit about zoroastrianism
this, somewhat. you're underplaying how much resistance there was, how long it lasted, and how much the Muslims had to force Islam in various ways.
Nathan Ortiz
he is still right tho faggot
they made ali looks like some achaemenid shah
Jason Richardson
>there's a lot bigger difference between arabs and persians rather than different iranic groups
You'd be surprised. Genetically speaking Turks are the closest to Persians while Pashtuns are quite distant in comparison.
Logan Ramirez
dumb iranian rat, never forget it was we turks who turned you to shiism
Asher Perry
because lowly persi*ns bow down to arab cock.
Evan Gray
the latter retained most of the aryan heritage
the former (persians) are closer to arabs
The overwhelming majority of iranians look like arabs or pajeets.
Ethan Perez
Fuck you, sandjew.
Aaron Walker
iranians are ary-
woah nvm they look like poos and arabs
Benjamin Cooper
we iranians are basically europeans but with tanned skin
Jack Reyes
Phenotype=/=Genotype
Also source that
Nolan Martin
Because they were conquered and enslaved by Arabs, dumb nigga.
If Iran reverted to their ancestors truth and not what was forced on them by another then Iran could actually be a player in the world.and not a cuck.
For several centuries iranians lived to serve arabs (((my fellow muslim))) as arabs say (((my fellow white people))) as jews say, so you do not see them as an outside force.
Jonathan Perry
so this is what evropeans look like....
Joshua Cooper
genographic
dumb beaner.
iranians are disgusting, they look like the average pajeet or like an ugly arab and then claim they are aryan
they say this all while letting their mothers/sisters/daughters fuck white guys here in the west, a pathetic bunch
David Gutierrez
That would be Italians and Greeks which you look nothing like. Sorry Iranians but being 1/1024nd white from thousands of years ago doesn't make you white.
Chase Martin
Your iq is literally lower than amerindians so no, I can't be a "dumb beaner" in comparison to you.
Ethan Cooper
Genetics mean jackshit
Cameron Perez
Isn't Zoroastrianism hermetic and only passed down certain family lines?
Julian Bailey
But Iranians and Poos are by definition, the only Aryans. If you mean "white", then yeah, they aren't.
Christian Morris
Depends what your definition of Aryan is. My definition of "Aryan" is the Nordic phenotype the carriers of R1b had when they arrived in India 3500 years ago. Blonde hair and blue eyes.
David Jones
aryans are nordic in appearance, you can still find such genetic remnants in iran and elsewhere
Ethan Myers
You don't get to pick a definition. The term was used by Indo-Iranians as a self-designation, and not for anyone else. Phenotypes are irrelevant.
Jacob Brown
and? niggers call themselves ancient egyptians, what's your point
Isaiah Foster
What do you mean by nordic?
Post your face and you aren't nordic, Germans and Brits arent nordic you 80iq trailer trash junkie or kike subversive.
Alexander Fisher
Indo-european pagan religions are extremely adaptable, adapting parts of a foreign pantheon or certain customs are not considered a problem nor are they perceived necessarily as an existential threat.
Nathaniel Long
Don't know how that's related. Niggers don't descend, genetically or culturally, from Egyptians. Indo-Iranic peoples do, shockingly, descend from Proto-Indo-Iranians, who were the ones who called themselves Aryan.
Any non-Indo-Iranians, whether Armenian or Greek or whatever, did not call themselves Aryan at any point, and had their own ethnonyms.
Jose Mitchell
Why do arabs standard of male beauty always include THAT feminine eyelashes?
its so fucking gay
Connor Gray
Modern day Germans are closer to ancient Iranians and Indians than modern Iranians and Indians are. You're literally a bunch of Arab and Dravidian rape babies.
Carter Mitchell
>You're
Wat. Anyways yeah genetically that might be the case, but that has nothing to do with Linguistics. Germans speak the Germanic branch of IE, which did not use the term "Aryan" as a self-designation.
Charles Reed
basically this
Oliver Watson
Open up a dictionary. Aryan and Proto-Indo-European are synonyms.
Lucas Powell
I'm calling bullshit.
Iran used to be a direct successor to the Aryans, unlike Germans who progressed under the Judea-Christian Middle Eastern civilization. Genetics means squat.
Jonathan Clark
Aryan quite literally just means "noble" as in "aristoi" or "aristocrat".
Brayden Morales
>Aryan and Proto-Indo-European are synonyms.
Not in modern terminology.
Aaron Taylor
Only in Sanskrit does this interpretation hold, and was likely a later interpretation.
In Proto-Iranic, it's quite literally an ethnonym, and the Indo-Aryans weren't any different.
Michael Thomas
Obviosly, Because muslims killed those Persian who didnt want became muslim.
i think we should kill all muslims who dont want be christians.
Samuel Young
Why americans follow a jewish religion? Can't they make their own?
Andrew Wright
Again, Germans are far less Aryan than Italians are Roman.
Sebastian Russell
Mormonism.
Aiden Carter
FACT Iranians and Hindus are part of same family as Indo Europeans.
Just because their ancestors conquered natives doesn't remove the indo euro inheritance rights from the father, 70%+ of irans population is r1b+r1a.
Easton Martinez
I am sorry proceed with stealing others' religions. I made a mostake.
Luis Thomas
I thought it's root was something akin to "kin", e.g. hittite "āra-" which then morphed into "noble" or "free man" in cotext of subsequent caste-based societies, assuming elite dominance.
Jose Scott
>But Iranians and Poos are by definition, the only Aryans
fuck off
Aryan was used by all Indo-European peoples
see proto-Germanic Arjaz, which comes from PIE Herios and is cognate with Sanskrit Arya. Proto-Celtic Aryos which literally means 'free man', then you have the Irish word 'Aire' which means 'noble' just like Arya means noble.
en.wiktionary.org
>From Old Irish aire, from Proto-Celtic *aryos, of disputed origin (see Old Irish entry for more)
>1. (literary) nobleman, chief, freeman
>Aire
>Eireann
>Eyr ann
>Aireach
Ireland literally means, 'land of the aryans'
Then you have Aristos in Greek, 'best, noblest'
This is also the root of Aristokratos, 'rule of the noble'
We also know that the Aryans who invaded India were indeed white, pic related.
Ryder White
>indo euro inheritance rights
The fuck are these? And all IE people are like siblings yes, but there is no "father" anymore. Are you seriously implying that if Germanics have genetic affinity to ancient Iranians, that this implies that Germanics have rights to the culture and heritage of Iranians or Indians?
It probably has some cognates, but it's unclear what they are. What is known, is that no other group used the term in the same context or meaning.
en.wiktionary.org
Lincoln Thompson
Even id the same root created other words it doesn't mean you get to make up meanings does it?
Also what's your point saying aryans were white? We know that.
Dylan Clark
70% of iran is j2 aka the arab haplogroup
Landon Morgan
>persia wears itself thin in foreverwar with byzantium trying to measure their dicks
>asshole is open and waiting for newly-islamicised arabs to come fuck their shit in
>arabs pour in and annihilate the remnants of the persian army
>kill or enslave any persian that doesn't convert to islam
>rape all their women, turning them into an ugly brown mongrel race
>forbid parsi and zoroastrianism
>thousand years later the arabs are gone and the persians still worship islam in fond remembrance of the taste of sand cum in their mouths
>parsi language only saved by some autistic poet a few hundred years later, otherwise they'd still be speaking arabic
There's never been a race who got so thoroughly and completely REKT.
You're an untermensch. You and your pizza face stop using my flag. Probably an inbred midwestern poorfag.
Joshua Harris
>it doesn't mean you get to make up meanings does it?
the meanig is the same though, Aire, Aristos, Aryos, Arjaz, it all means the same thing as Arya.
The notion that us N. Europeans (Finns, Scandinavians, Celts, Balts and Slavs) who are genetically the closest to the Aryan invaders who conquered most of Eurasia don't have the right to call ourselves Aryan is fucking retarded.
pic related are the genetic samples that plot the closest to the Yamna Samara samples that we have.
>Also what's your point saying aryans were white?
to prove that Indians and Iranians don't have a right to use the word Aryan as they neither look like the Aryans or are genetically close to the Aryans.
Chase Brown
>We also know that the Aryans who invaded India were indeed white,
It depends. The Aryans had already 30% Western Asian/Elamite admixture by the time of the invasion of India. They wouldn't have looked like Scandi's if that's what you're thinking.
Andrew Hernandez
As just said, it likely does have some cognates, but the term "Aryan" is limited specifically to the Indo-Iranian branch, and clearly doesn't refer to any phenotypes anyways, in any of these (unproven) cognates. The Indo-Iranians gave themselves "Arya" as an ethnonym and the Germanics or whoever else, were not included, regardless of whether those people had similar words in their language.
>Aryans who invaded India were indeed white
Indians are not, was my only point.
this.
>to prove that Indians and Iranians don't have a right to use the word Aryan
kek, at least you're honest about your agenda
Adam Brown
> ethnonyms have to be based on genetics
Culture is far more important. And the pre-Islamic Persians, and the Indians, have far more continuity with their Indo-Aryan ancestors, than Northern Euros do, with the Indo-Iranians civilizations that were spawned by the Proto-Indo-Iranians.
Luis Perez
The important parts are dominated by R1A, Tehran and other major cities.
>rome wears itself thin, jews convert Europeans weakened by war, force them to convert ir ensmabe them and rape their women
Whites still worship rabis and jews to this day.
Hudson Miller
wow a whopping 15%
Justin Hall
>The Aryans had already 30% Western Asian/Elamite admixture by the time of the invasion of India
ctation needed
the people who invaded India were almost entirely Schythian, and we know for a fact, through historical descriptions and genetic proof that the Schythians looked like n. Europeans.
We also know that the Schythians were 80% Steppe admixture, Steppe admixture being Aryan admixture.
if you've read the Rig Veda you'd also know that the Aryan gods are described with golden hair and yellow beards, most notably being Indra, smiter of swarthy skin.
I just showed you heeps of proof that Germanics, Celts and Greeks called themselves Aryan.
The term isn't limited to Indo-Iranians.
Asher Adams
What the fuck are you talking about? It doesn't work like that. You can't just use the old meaning of words related to the wrod you are using just because you like that meaning more. Aryan means that, deal with it. Also , if your sister fucks a black guy and the rest if your family dies, the heir to tour family is the mulatto. You don't get to say no because you don't like him. Especially if he is the only one.
Jaxson Ortiz
>Culture is far more important
Not according to the Vedics, my brown friend.
5 O'er Sire and Mother they have roared in unison bright with the verse of praise, burning up riteless men,
Blowing away with supernatural might from earth and from the heavens the swarthy skin which Indra hates.
6 Those which, as guides of song and counsellors of speed, were manifested from their ancient dwelling place,-
From these the eyeless and the deaf have turned aside: the wicked travel not the pathway of the Law.
RV 9-073
Daniel Bell
>Whites still worship rabis and jews
My bad, thought we killed six million of them, or perhaps you're saying that never happened? Schrodinger's anti-semite. Do we worship jews or did we genocide them?
Logan Flores
kek pajeets are fucking cucks, they believe hinduism arose from india and that aryans never invaded streetshittistan
Logan Hall
yes, and Indo-Iranians were white, most likely looked like western europeans
Jack Wood
>most likely looked like western europeans
Why would they look like Western Europeans that are rich in ENF? They were Eastern Europeans and looked like people from Baltic region.
Cooper Thompson
>all these non-white people trying to be white
like pottery.
Evan Butler
>You can't just use the old meaning of words related to the wrod you are using just because you like that meaning more
Are you retarded?
I will only say this once more
The meaning of Arya is the same as Aristos, Arjos, Arjaz and Aire.
They are derived from the same root and the meaning is the same.
Thus, N. Europeans should be able to call ourselves Aryan because our peoples and ancestors used that word to describe themselves, as did our cousins in the East.
Gabriel Rogers
>one crazy guy killed jews
>every single good euro stood against him
>still asking for forgiveness the jew overlord
You did geno them and you worship them even more now.
Also you do know he is talking about christians right? Not modern day rabis and jews.
Evan Williams
>Schythians looked like n. Europeans.
They didn't.
>called themselves Aryan.
No, there's similar words, and they weren't clearly used as ethnonyms. Nobody is arguing that Indians should call themselves Irish, are they?
Why would what the Vedic people say, matter here? The fact is, Germanic people have no cultural continuity with Iranics or Indians, and have no right to call themselves "Aryan". If they want to reconstruct some ethnonym for themselves, that's fine, but what defines cultures and civilizations isn't up for debate.
White yeah, but not like Western Euros.
Aiden Barnes
Zoroastrianism was invented in later centuries. The original Iranian pagan religion was different
Jonathan Wilson
>pic related on Scythians
Isaiah Jones
Those from Baluchistan and Elam(assimilated pajeets) look different from a Iranian living in mazandaran or gilan
Dylan Rodriguez
Why are you ignoring me? It doesn't matter what it used to mean. All words change meaning. In our language aryan either means hitler white or descebdant of that specific population. You can not go back in time and change a definition with an old one you like better.
Wyatt Torres
>They didn't.
Look at the image I posted before, filename is "Aryans_were_white.png"
>In artworks, the Scythians are portrayed exhibiting European traits.[118] In Histories, the 5th-century Greek historian Herodotus describes the Budini of Scythia as red-haired and grey-eyed.[118] In the 5th century BC, Greek physician Hippocrates argued that the Scythians have purron (ruddy) skin.[118][119] In the 3rd century BC, the Greek poet Callimachus described the Arismapes (Arimaspi) of Scythia as fair-haired.[118][120]. In Natural History, the 1st century AD Roman author Pliny the Elder characterises the Seres, sometimes identified as Iranians (Scythians) or Tocharians, as red-haired and blue-eyed.[118][121] In the late 2nd century AD, the Christian theologian Clement of Alexandria says that the Scythians are fair-haired.[118][122] The 2nd century Greek philosopher Polemon includes the Scythians among the northern peoples characterised by red hair and blue-grey eyes.[118] In the late 2nd or early 3rd century AD, the Greek physician Galen declares that Sarmatians, Scythians and other northern peoples have reddish hair.[118][123] The fourth-century Roman historian Ammianus Marcellinus wrote that the Alans, a people closely related to the Scythians, were tall, blond and light-eyed.[124] The 4th century bishop of Nyssa Gregory of Nyssa wrote that the Scythians were fair skinned and blond haired.[125] The 5th-century physician Adamantius, who often follow Polemon, describes the Scythians are fair-haired.[118][126] It is possible that the later physical descriptions by Adamantius and Gregory of Scythians refer to East Germanic tribes, as the latter were frequently referred to as "Scythians" in Roman sources at that time.
en.wikipedia.org
pic related is a facial reconstruction of a Schythian noblewoman who was mummified
Brody Flores
here's a facial reconstruction of one of the scythian mummies they found.
Jace Bennett
those are persians you fucking cuck
the majority of persians look like shitskin poo inloos or arabs, the whiter looking ones are fucking azeris
Benjamin Walker
tocharian mummy who traveled from around the same area the scythians lived
Mason Green
Persians here are chanting: WE ARE ARYANS, WE WON'T WORSHIP AN ARAB.
youtu.be
youtube.com
Hudson Wood
So butifel, so progressive. :)
David Williams
My ancestor :)
Tochar means "fighter" in Sarmatian.
Daniel Anderson
uh huh tell me more, rezapoo arabpour
Jackson Jackson
Looks like one of my relatives, but her jaw is TOO big.
Sebastian Sullivan
>her
:)
Kayden Smith
they sold horses to the Chinese empire, here they are depicted by the Chinese.
Logan Perry
They look normal. Why should they look like Swedes?
Jayden Watson
the aryans looked like heavy bearded nordics with long skulls and long faces with long noses simple as that
look at iranians with white features like blonde hair, blue/green eyes and light skin, they will resemble nords, these are genetic remnants of aryans in iran, the majority of iranians are muttified poo in loos and arabs
Jonathan Hughes
They were forced to by conquest.
The Seldshuks are at fault I think.
Nicholas Russell
>if you've read the Rig Veda you'd also know that the Aryan gods are described with golden hair and yellow beards, most notably being Indra, smiter of swarthy skin.
ah yes the 19th century translation. very good.
what next buddha was european becasue he is described as being 9 ft tall, having etchings of wheels on his feet and having yellow hair?
brilliant.
india wasn't invaded by aryans, it was a slow diffusion
Ayden Williams
Post source of that "facial reconstruction" please.
Also it's Scythian, not Schythian.
Tyler Foster
Tocharians weren't Scythians, and were definitely noted for being fair featured.
Scythians were multi-ethnic. Nobody's arguing that they didn't look closer to European than to Indians. Rather, that they didn't look like Northern Euros in totality. I'm sure the ones in Europe were closer, but a Saka from Sistan probably looked closer to that of the Indo-Iranians, who you claim looked like Scythians.
Evan Murphy
>ctation needed
You can ask about it on /his/ I don't have it with me now.
>you've read the Rig Veda you'd also know that the Aryan gods are described with golden hair and yellow beards, most notably being Indra, smiter of swarthy skin.
Again that depends on the translation. Most European scholars who studied Indian mythology had huge European biases in their works which showed in their translations.
Leo Martin
>india wasn't invaded by aryans, it was a slow diffusion
kek here's the fucking pajeet with his historical revisionism that only poos could believe in
Anthony Young
>the majority of iranians are muttified poo in loos and arabs
The fact that you mentioned Arabs makes your arguments look not serious desu.
Semitic peoples - yes, they assimilated a lot of of tribes which populated that area. Peoples of Babylon, for example (all these Accadians and other tribes).
Zachary Rodriguez
not sure why you need to insist on it being invaded.
there isn't evidence of an invasion, there is just evidence of people over time becoming more and more involved in a culture coming from the north-west.
the ruins of IVC are postulated to have undergone environmental abandoment prior to the arrival of the aryans and don't seem to be shown to have suffered any attack.
Jordan Carter
Because it's cool to steal from other people now. Indo Europeans were more robust than modern Scandinavians.
Michael Garcia
People STILL reply to bait by asshurt arabs and turks, unbelievable
James Myers
All these groups look human.
Gabriel Evans
BMAC was similarly assimilated by the Indo-Iranians.
That said, we don't know enough to say what happened at the IVC.
Nicholas Harris
Give it fifty years and they will:^)