Are us amerindians the master race?
Are us amerindians the master race?
Justin Diaz
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Elijah Ortiz
Bait topic aside anyone know what's the site with the ayyy face?
William Lee
But none of these ethnic groups are Brazilian. Brazilian natives were just a bunch of midget cannibals
Elijah Ross
puma punku
we are all amerindian brothers
Jason Clark
If they are how come they're fucking DIED dumbshit?
Jace Sullivan
NOSOTROS...
Nathan Robinson
we are still here, idiot.
you, wh*Te subhumans are the ones dying.
Isaac Sanders
Thx, pretty neat, didn't know this one
Robert Jones
They kys themselves out of pity for the wh*tes.
Christopher Ortiz
Those huts look comfy, tho.
Carson Thompson
Did ancient Wakandans build the pyramids?
Daniel Foster
that's the only thing he can relate too even if it's have nothing to do with him
Cameron Gonzalez
wrong, there are traces of incas in brazil.
Dominic Phillips
Fucking coca-cola is killing the Maya
Angel Roberts
I like to believe that somewhere in the undiscovered parts of the amazon is ancient amerindian ruins waiting to be found. ;;_;
WE
Josiah Reed
>ywn be pure amerindian
why even live
Grayson Jackson
yes
Hudson Hughes
It was impressive only because they were isolated from the rest of the world. They had no influence from Asia and MENA like Europeans and yet they still developed their own civilizations
Jose Reed
>It was impressive only because they were isolated from the rest of the world
idk man
they did some pretty cool stuff
>It has been speculated that the Maya solved this urban transportation problem by constructing a 100-meter long suspension bridge across the wild river in the late 7th century. The bridge which featured three spans extended from a platform on the grand plaza of Yaxchilan crossing the river to the northern shore. The 63 meter center span remained the longest in the world until the construction of the Italian Trezzo sull'Adda Bridge in 1377.
Christopher Campbell
If wh*tes are "superior" why they're in danger of extinction
Gavin Smith
>a non-mutt american continent will never exist again
Oliver Thomas
Quiero una alpaca
Matthew Gomez
"us"
>Implying you're not just half nigger half spanish, and zero amerindian
Robert Parker
>master race
>wiped out by a cough
Lmao
Aiden Sullivan
>wiped out
Oliver Watson
diseases from the new world introduced to the old world:
a bed bug infection, syphilis (disputed)
diseases from the old world introduced to the new world:
bubonic plague, chicken pox, cholera, diphtheria, influenza, leprosy, malaria, measles, scarlet fever, smallpox, typhoid, typhus, whooping cough, yaws, yellow fever
the bubonic plague alone killed 25% to 60% of the european population during the 14th century, natives revovred from the introduction of all the diseases above within a century.
Hudson Long
Built for Spanish dick.
25-60% is less than 95%, Paco.
Camden Long
16 epidemic diseases are more than 1 non epidemic disease
Gavin Cook
t. wh*Te subhuman
Gabriel Gray
>Built for Spanish dick
Only thing like that in this thread is your mouth
Kayden White
>us amerindians
hahahaha NO
YOU were racemixing with wh*Toids and eating dirt
YOU are not pure blooded AMERINDIANS
br*Zilians are wh*Te and think INDIAN is a slur
Carter Morgan
t.Juan Carlos Rossi Von Staffen
stfu wh*Toid im pure GUARANI.
Jace Murphy
I know wh*Toids have terrible eyesight due to millenia of interbreeding and incest absolutely destroying their already inferior genes but make an effort and check my flag for a second
whi*Te Argentinian is an oxymoron, I'm a pure blooded AMERINDIAN
Isaac Bennett
Jose Rivera
>Are us amerindians the master race?
Yes, we are.
Samuel Phillips
>us
Brazilians are like less than 10% Native
Jayden Powell
my people :)
James Gray
>if avareges are x, everyone in the country is x
Thomas Stewart
Is it that bad?
Adrian Diaz
t. 56% amerindian
Andrew Flores
Memes aside I sometimes wonder how far ancient civilizations from the Americas would have gotten if nobody from the old world had reached the continent and if the Americas would have eventually sailed and found Europe on their own.
Adrian Morales
Don't think amerindians had the tools to do so. Just no basis for industrial revolution
Chase Miller
FUIMOS
Eli Watson
*coughs on you*
sorry amigo, didn't mean to
Ian Ross
Not very far if they were so isolated.
Societies do not advance beyond a hunter-gatherer lifestyle until they began practicing plant and animal domestication. Settling down and having food surpluses is a prerequisite to specialization of labor, which enables technological development.
Candidates for plant domestication are rare and tend to occur only in certain climates. The fertile crescent, China, North Africa, New Guinea, Central America, and South America each independently discovered plant domestication. And a big difference between old world domesticates (wheat, barley, oats, etc) and those of the new world (maize, potatoes, squash, etc) are that the ones from the old world are much higher in protein, which is the macronutrient most limited in plant based diets.
Candidates for animal domestication are likewise unevenly distributed across the world. The migration of humans to the new world coincided with a massive extinction event of large mammals. The animals present in the new world were likely hunted to death by clever tool-bearing humans - unlike animals in the old world that co-evolved with our brainy ancestors and eventually became cattle and chickens and horses and so on.
Jacob Hughes
The Native Americans had a later start on the road to technological development than European and Asian societies because their ancestors moved into their current location long after the ancestors of those other societies. Migrating vast distances on foot limits the amount of technology a group of people can take with them, so this effectively resets the clock.
The axis of the Eurasian continent is from East to West, which makes it easier to adopt crops in distant geographical regions. In comparison, the axis of the Americas runs North to South. When you move to a different latitude, a number of important factors change: length of day, length of growing season, average temperature, amount of light received, and so on. Maize from Central America took a long time to reach Eastern North America because cold-hardy varieties had to be bred first. The same thing happened with other crops.
Jack Foster
You had a pretty good argument going on and then you had to re post it but with reddit spacing.
Andrew Butler
Euros discovered America in the age of Vikings. Later came Columbus. That was still 270 years before the industrial revolution.
Jose Hall
Amerindians were great.
If the Leif Eriksson hadn't left Vinland you guys would have much more forerun to prepare for The conquestadores to come.
Also the history of northern America might have resembled more the history of Russia, Normandie and England. Where the Vikings and the locals became a new kind of Nation.
There would be no Spainiards winning against Vikings.
Isaac Murphy
And finally, they capped it off. They (mostly) didn't develop written language:
While the Maya and Aztecs had written language, most of the Americas did not have written language. This isn't that strange - only a handful of writing systems have ever been developed, worldwide. I'm not entirely sure what motivates societies to develop writing systems beyond a need to deal with dispersed populations (as would exist for large, centrally governed empires). Regardless of what caused the relative lack of writing systems - it may have just been chance - without written language, a lot of other inventions fall by the wayside. Glasses, printing presses, and paper are unlikely to be developed if you don't need to be writing or reading.
Elijah Jackson
His perspective is one of the first Metall utilising cultures of the world.
The Vinca culture was basically ahead of the Amerindians since 5000 BC.
Jose Howard
The spaniards came and took their special minds and powers and made them live in shacks and eat refried beans.
Caleb Reed
I'd say in terms of ancient civilization quality and prosperity it goes like this
Med>East Asia>Mongolia>Paki/India>MENA>Amerinidan>Europe
Dylan Rivera
>Southrons grouping meds together so they can feel special
the Egyptian civilization was as old to the Roman and Greek "ancient" civilizations as they are to us. Sumerians were discovering mathematics and writing while Italians were in ice caves.
Hudson Kelly
Wtf is this bait thread.
Índios are ugly and dumb, even black supremacy make more sense.
Joshua Perry
You overestimate sniwniggers. What the hell could Leiv Eriksson do to save South America? He was in Newfoundland for gods sake. did Norway somehow have a huge technological impact on southern Europe?
Nolan Baker
>Sumerian discovering mathematics
As for human intution or problem solving, fine, maybe they were discovering patterns.
But as far as i know the only civilizations that have documented and written down knowledge were Med/MENA and Ancient China.
Tyler Miller
what are the best amerindian sites to visit?
Andrew Nelson
>Southrons grouping meds together so they can feel special
We are the same people and you can't tell apart an iberian from a tunisian an arab an egyptian or an anatolian.
>while Italians were in ice caves
5,000 years ago there weren't italians, Pajeet, pay more attention when they teach you european history.
Isaiah Thompson
What?
Christopher Miller
I would go to Perú
Then Mexico
Easton Ward
Do it again General Jackson!
Jaxson Turner
you can't shag butifel elsa in the holy place
but you can in your warm dugout
Eli Clark
based
Dylan Perry
teotihuacan
Nolan Sanders
>reddit spacing
Literally made up by newfags to disparage other newfags.
Kevin Hill
nice thread
Ryan Scott
>in terms of ancient civilization quality and prosperity
then it goes like this
Amerindians>the rest
>The Aztec Triple Alliance, which ruled from 1428 to 1521 in central Mexico, is considered to be the first state to implement a system of universal compulsory education.[4][5]
>The upper class sent their sons to rigorous boarding academies, the calmécac (“houses of tears”), which, in their cultivation of good breeding, their design to break boys’ loyalties towards their homes, and their austerity, bore a definite resemblance to public schools in England during the reign of Victoria. Attention was paid to “character”: the preparation, it was said, of a “true face and heart”. But there were classes too in law, politics, history, painting, and music.
>The children of workers received vocational training in the more relaxed telpochcalli, the “houses of youth” established in every district. The teachers were professionals, but priests played a part. From these institutions, children could go home frequently. Yet they, like those in the calmécac, received ample instruction in morality and natural history through homilies which they often learned by heart, and of which some survive. “Almost all,” wrote a good observer in the 1560s, “know the names of all the birds, animals, trees and herbs, knowing too as many as a thousand varieties of the latter, and what they are good for.”39 A strong work ethic was inculcated: and children were told that they had to be honest, diligent and resourceful. All the same, preparation for combat was the dominating consideration where boys were concerned: above all, single combat with a matched enemy.
>In both educational institutions, food was provided by children or their parents, but the teachers were supplied by what it is probably permissible to call the state.40 Girls received training as housewives and mothers.
Hugh Thomas, Conquest, Chapter I
Benjamin Miller
>in terms of ancient civilization prosperity
the aztec emprie had more population in 1500 than the spanish empire in 1800
>In their 1963 monograph Borah and Cook examined pictographic summaries of the tribute records of the Aztec empire and from them derived a 1519 population of 25,200,000 or a range betweeen 20,000,000 and 28,000,000, depending on the figure used for average family size. Borah and Cook judge this figure to be a rough calculation but nevertheless supportive of theirdense-population arguument; and they consider such population (average density of 125 per mi2) to have been ecologically feasible in terms of pre-Conquest habitat and technology.5 But as might be expected, the reaction in some historical circles was one of disbelief. The variables, the use of ratio and proportion, the interpolations, the seemingly arbitrary decisions were too many (e.g., Sanders 1966). (Or was the total simply too high?). Much of the reaction was emotional, and few of the critics, other than Sanders and to a lesser extent Rosenblat, have taken the time to examine the evidence and the methodology. Actually, the maun methods of Cook and Borah, at least in their earlier studies have become widely acepted (Morner, 1973: 109). Also, it is interesting to note that scolars who will not acept 25,000,000 find figures between 10,000,000 and 15,000,000 not unreasonable (e.g., West and Aurelli, 1966:236). Such scholars were rare when Cook and Simpson postulated 11,000,000 in 1948.
>[Feb, 2018] Researchers using a high-tech aerial mapping technique have found tens of thousands of previously undetected Mayan houses, buildings, defence works and pyramids in the dense jungle of Guatemala’s Peten region, suggesting that millions more people lived there than previously thought.
>“That is two to three times more [inhabitants] than people were saying there were,” said Marcello A Canuto, a professor of anthropology at Tulane University.
Jonathan Kelly
Shut up, wh*Toids. We are TUPI BULLS
Charles Walker
>the maun methods of Cook and Borah
*main methods
Brandon Garcia
>the aztec emprie had more population in 1500 than the spanish empire in 1800
for comparison
Angel Hill
by comparison at the time the aztecs had 1/4 of china's population, in 1/20 of the area
>Spanish conquistador Hernán Cortés arrived in Tenochtitlan on November 8, 1519. With an estimated population between 200,000 and 300,000, many scholars believe Tenochtitlan to have been among the largest cities in the world at that time.[14] Compared to Europe, only Paris, Venice and Constantinople might have rivaled it (estimates for Constantinople mostly speculate of 200 0000). It was five times the size of the London of Henry VIII.[6]
>(About Tlatelolco) The bustle and noise occasioned by this multitude of human beings was so great that it could be heard at a distance of more than four miles. Some of our men, who had been at Constantinople and Rome, and travelled through the whole of Italy, said that they never had seen a market-place of such large dimensions, or which was so well regulated and with such order, or so crowded with people as this one at Mexico.
- The True History of the Conquest of New Spain by Bernal Diaz del Castillo, Chapter XCII
Spanish friar Bernardino de Sahagún and conquistador Hernan Cortés estimated that about 40 000 - 60 000 people thronged the market regularly prior to the introduction of epidemic diseases, a number equivalent to the population of contemporary's Rome, Renaissance's Florence and the Lisbon of the Age of Discovery.
Aaron Watson
>But as far as i know the only civilizations that have documented and written down knowledge were Med/MENA and Ancient China.
>La Mojarra Stela 1 is a Mesoamerican carved monument (stela) dating from 156 CE[1] (2nd century CE). The four-ton limestone slab contains about 535 glyphs of the Isthmian script. One of Mesoamerica's earliest known written records, this Epi-Olmec culture monument not only recorded this ruler's achievements, but placed them within a cosmological framework of calendars and astronomical events.[2]
Joshua Brooks
>The animals present in the new world were likely hunted to death by clever tool-bearing humans - unlike animals in the old world that co-evolved with our brainy ancestors and eventually became cattle and chickens and horses and so on.
>While the extinctions around the late Pleistocene saw the end to mammoths, giant sloths, horses and the like in the Americas, the extinction rate of North American mammals actually reached its highest level some six million years ago, resulting in the demise of about 60 genera. Several species of horses were driven to extinction at that time. Not so long ago, there was no evidence of an overlap between North American horse extinction and the arrival of humans, let alone evidence of their hunting horses. There is now clear evidence that mankind hunted North American horses but were they doing so in numbers that made a difference? It is a question that may never be answered. Evidence also suggests horses were originally domesticated, not just for riding, but also to provide food, including milk. “It’s hard to see this as one of those things where a single piece of evidence will make it obvious what happened,” Scott Wing, a paleobiologist at the Smithsonian Institution’s National Museum of Natural History, told National Geographic. “The phenomenon that people are trying to explain is not something that happened in one place at one time. It happened across the globe, at different times on different continents. I think that there are clearly multiple factors involved.”
Leo Ward
>And a big difference between old world domesticates (wheat, barley, oats, etc) and those of the new world (maize, potatoes, squash, etc) are that the ones from the old world are much higher in protein, which is the macronutrient most limited in plant based diets.
>Aztecs had excelent sources of protein to compensate the lack of farm animals. For example, the lean meat of beef has 18.7% of protein and 18.2% of fat while lean meat of pork has 17.5% 13.2% respectively (Bresani 1972). In comparision the meat of the most common insect, the grasshopper, had up to 30% of protein while some other insects such as jumiles and the red mezcal worms had up to 70% (Ramos de Elurdoy, 1982).
- Bernardo Ortiz de Montellano, Aztec Medicine and Health, and Nutrition
Christian Carter
>trusting spaniards
This is why you, the descendants of Malinche, are so dumb. Spaniards exaggerated all their records to make them look better, silly. Defeating the aztec empire was nothing for spaniards compared to the real armies they had to fight in Europe.
Caleb Lewis
>Defeating the aztec empire was nothing for spaniards compared to the real armies they had to fight in Europe.
Ryan Jenkins
Joshua Cook
Literally nothing, few dutch were a bigger struggle for the whole Spanish Empire than millions of arrowthrowers for some dumb extremaduran farmers. Also, next time check what language do you speak and what religion do you follow, José del Taco con Queso.
Adrian Flores
>uses the term "Indian" to refer to people NO WHERE NEAR INDIA
Actually cucked.
Grayson Rogers
nope lmao
Elijah Gomez
>spanish rapebabies
no.
Michael Wilson
The Aztecs were godless and practiced cannibalism and human sacrifice. In their nightmarish cities walked only mad things, ruled over by cruel priests with fear and horrors.
Carson Thompson
>But probably nothing seemed more weird to the Spaniards than the Aztec attitude to personal hygiene. Simply, for the Aztecs being clean was cool. One Conquistador reported, in a tone of wonder, that Moctezuma bathed twice a day. He did, but there was nothing extraordinary about that for an Aztec, since everybody ‘bathed often, and many of them every day’ in the rivers, lakes or pools.
>The Mexica also used deodorants, breath fresheners and ash to clean their teeth with (Spaniards of the time cleaned theirs with urine!) The Aztecs cleaned their bodies – and souls – in steam baths. An outside fire heated one of the walls via a small tunnel to red-hot, and the bather threw water on the hot wall, creating steam.
>Into this clean world, thundered the Spanish. The 16th century was a really dirty time in Europe: ever since the Black Death, people avoided water and washing like the plague; and the Spanish in particular thought and taught that being dirty was a Christian Virtue.
>Reproduction and population growth declined since people of child bearing age either had to fight off the Spanish invasion or died due to famine, malnutrition or other diseases.[23] Diseases like smallpox could travel great distances and spread throughout large populations, which was the case with the Aztecs having lost approximately 50% of its population from smallpox and other diseases.[24] The disease killed an estimated forty percent of the native population in the area within a year. The Aztecs codices give ample depictions of the disease's progression. It was known to them as the huey ahuizotl (great rash).
Landon Lopez
>ruled over by cruel priests with fear and horrors.
pic related
>In their nightmarish cities walked only mad things
seems you forgot to post the rest of the city's account
>Our route now lay across the territory of the township Xocotlan. We sent before us two Indians of Sempoalla to the cazique, to acquaint him of our approach, and beg of him to give us an hospitable reception. As the inhabitants of this district were subject to Motecusuma, everything wore a different aspect, and we marched forward with the utmost precaution and in close array. For the rest, we were as much pleased with this spot as with many a Spanish town, on account of the numerous and beautifully whitewashed balconies, the dwellings of the caziques, and the elevated temples wholly built of stone and lime. We, therefore, called it Castilblanco, which name it still retains; for a Portuguese soldier, who was among our troops, assured us, the place was very like the town of Casteloblanco in Portugal.
>One certain spot in this township I never shall forget, situated near the temple. Here a vast number of human skulls were piled up in the best order imaginable,—there must have been more than 100,000; I repeat, more than 100,000. (...) Similar horrible sights we saw towards the interior of the country in every township, and even in Tlascalla.
- True History of the Conquest of New Spain by Bernal Diaz del Castillo, Chapter LXI
Zachary Rogers
Yeah, as I said, spaniards exaggerated Tacolandia to gain the favour of the spanish kings. You don’t earn any prestige by saying you slayed weak indios. They had to pretend that taquitos were civilized.
Liam Bennett
Natives got wiped out by plaques, you ignoramuses
If earlier Eurasian explorers reached Americas in small numbers and just spread the diseases around while trading they'd have time to build immunity through selection.
Time is what doomed them. Every century apart from the rest of the world fucked them a bit more.
>the Egyptian civilization was as old to the Roman and Greek "ancient" civilizations as they are to us
So? Vinca is as old it seems, Their script actually might be the oldest writing if its not simply a icon system.
But I guess because there weren't cities in Northern Europe 5 minutes after the glaciers receded that gives you an angle in your mind.
>Sumerians were discovering mathematics and writing while Italians were in ice caves.
Latins weren't even in Italy back then, moron. Sumeria arose more or less deterministically in the basins of two almost intertwined rivers, in a great place to farm and start cities (esp way back when it was cooler and wetter). Europe was nowhere near as good and yet you're living in a world spawned by it. Deal with your issues.
Christian Morris
How much of Spain is practically an arid wasteland? it wasn't exactly the best place to grow before mechanized agriculture made food cheaper.
Parker Flores
>and if the Americas would have eventually sailed and found Europe on their own.
Do you know how India got fucked by the British West Indies Company w/o Britain itself ever helped? This wasn't about who landed where first, the civilizational gap made it possible to dominate a subcontinent with a bunch of clerks employing mostly Indians themselves w/o even setting out to do so at first.
Jackson Howard
>Yeah, as I said, spaniards exaggerated Tacolandia to gain the favour of the spanish kings.
not my fault you can be arsed to google search the news fragment about the lidar laser recognizement done the past month
i'm not even citing spanish sources for the population estimates ffs
>You don’t earn any prestige by saying you slayed weak indios
those weak indios legit did better than people with steel arms, cavalry, gunpowder and disease immunity
>Sandoval was appointed to the command of the third division, consisting of twenty-four horses, fourteen crossbow-men and musketeers, and one hundred and fifty foot armed with shields and swords. To this division were added 8000 Indians from the townships of Chalco, Huexotzinco, and other places in alliance with us.
(...)
>They had driven one of our brigantines between the stakes, killed two of the men, and wounded all the rest. (...) the Mexicans had already fastened many ropes to her, and were trying to tow her off into the town behind their canoes. Sandoval's encouraging words were not lost upon us, and we fought with such determination that at length we rescued the vessel. (...) when all in a moment the large drum of Huitzilopochtli again resounded from the summit of the temple, accompanied by all the hellish music of shell trumpets, horns, and other instruments. The sound was truly dismal and terrifying, but still more agonizing was all this to us when we looked up and beheld how the Mexicans were mercilessly sacrificing to their idols our unfortunate companions (...) On that terrible day the loss of the three divisions amounted to sixty men and seven horses.
Bernal Díaz del Castillo. True history of the Conquest of New Spain, Chapters CL, CLII
>They had to pretend that taquitos were civilized.
(You)
Easton Perry
>pic related
There's a big difference between ridding the society of murderers, rapists, thieves and all manners of low-lives, and doing it for shits and giggles. Europeans executed people for the public good, and indeed it was a good deterrent. I for one think we should bring back the death penalty.
>For the rest, we were as much pleased with this spot as with many a Spanish town, on account of the numerous and beautifully whitewashed balconies, the dwellings of the caziques, and the elevated temples wholly built of stone and lime.
Great, so a few balconies were polished white. That sure makes up for the untold amount of atrocities and crimes committed within a stone throw's distance, where the insides of the largest buildings - the temples - were literally covered in blood, and stacked with piles of human bones and skulls, stinking to high heavens.
Zachary Scott
>did better
and yet you are sandnigger rapebabies speaking spanish like the cucks you are, deal with it, that "great" """""""civilziation""""""" was destroyed by literally a hundred of porquerizos, the fact you kept posting this lies written by spaniards is hilarious when they were the first to portray you as something your half ancestors never were when in reality all of you are malinches
Andrew Smith
mexicans are deluded as fuck, they have to deal with the idea that a bunch of backward farmers destroyed their almighty empire and then speak the language of those primitive people, the most he posts about how great the aztecs were the more it proofs that it was all a lie created by the spaniards to make them look powerful when
in reality it took more time to conquest a random besieged european castle than their entire nation
Hunter Bennett
The current Mexican is a mix of spaniards and indigenous. They are not the aztecs of the XV century
Michael Nelson
Great posts.
The most likely theory of the first writing system was that trade between city states developed in Mesopotamia and the increasing complexity required tradesmen to track the loads sent, received, money owed and earned and so on. They probably started to just scratch lines on a flat stone and then it just took off from there. This would've been somewhere in the 10-5k B.C. time space.
Blake Peterson
well that arid wasteland had more arable land than mesoamerica
Liam Cruz
>They are not the aztecs
they roleplay as such when in reality they are the descendants of the victims of the aztecs
Nathaniel Martinez
>and doing it for shits and giggles
aztecs sacrificed mostly (+99%) prisoners of war
so instead of killing the soldiers in the field of battle they captured them alive and killed them later in a ritual, see
considering the population of mesoamerica they were mercy on earth compared to the death toll of the european wars of religion during the 17th century, literally not counting the rest of the wars