>relatively big country
>isolated, easily defensible, but still in a great position for trade
>populous
>good amount of natural resources
>good climate
>colonized Americas and extracted vast amounts of wealth
>European
>less relevant to international politics than fucking Poland
I don't understand how Spain can be so irrelevant. I get that it lost its empire and industrialized late, but even with those hamstrings, it still seems like it should be at least a second tier power like France or something.
Relatively big country
Blake Evans
Brandon Clark
Spanish economy is a mess and their internal divisions are a big problem. But they should be in G20. They are more important than Indonesia and Argentina or Mexico.
Nicholas Hughes
Nice copy paste from /his/, fucking faggot
Jayden Foster
>t. Francisco Franco
Andrew Murphy
>industrialized late
You can't really be a big power without industry.
Angel Watson
France is a world power though(large influence over the EU and the UN, fourth/fifth largest economy, fifth strongest military), so it's not exactly a fair comparison. An actual example of a second tier power would be Japan or Canada.
Nolan Green
Japan has the third strongest economy in the world.
Leo Adams
Poland became relevant only because of the nationalist government that refused to take refugees in. But it's only in media, in real foreign relations Spain is way more relevant.
Hunter Cook
I like spain their our bros
Dominic Anderson
Hence why I listed criteria other than economy.
Xavier Gonzalez
Cuz we are lazy moors that like siesta too much.
Evan Powell
deja vu, /his/?
Jaxon Hughes
>good amount of natural resources
are you memeing, all the gold we had was stolen by romans, google las medulas
>good climate
have you ever live your city, farming in Spain is shit tier
>extracted vast amounts of wealth
lolno, nowadays peru extract more gold in one year than spain in 300 years in the whole continent and in any case all that money was spent in the massive amounts of wars Habsburgers got into
Cooper Young
Brown siësta monkeys
Jaxon Wilson
Maybe because spain isn't irrelevant faggot
Jaxon Gray
>>relatively big country
true
>>isolated, easily defensible, but still in a great position for trade
true
>>populous
false
>>good amount of natural resources
what is a "good amount"? the romans sucked the peninsula dry
>>good climate
true
>>colonized Americas and extracted vast amounts of wealth
true
>>European
and?
>>less relevant to international politics than fucking Poland
false
Camden Rodriguez
t. Spanish rapebaby
Brandon Gray
They are. Only Sudacas(irrelevant continent) and Spainboos on Sup Forums care about Spain.
Ryder Diaz
Spanish coal is hard to extract and shit tier, england was literally sitting on a mountain of coal
en.m.wikipedia.org
This guy, that was born in 1553
>He is best remembered for the invention of a rudimentary steam-powered water pump for draining mines
But of course, it had little use for Spain at that time when the industria recolution still had to wait for more than a century to make sense
Chase Lopez
Spain is one of the best countries to visit and to live in europe.
And i don't say it because of the same language.
Nathan Harris
>what is a "good amount"? the romans sucked the peninsula dry
Easton Williams
Spain is god tier if you are a civil servant or rich. Otherwise it sucks and it’s better to be a welfare queen in UK
Jaxon Hall
Yeah so how does that make them relevant? Slovenia is very nice as well you know
Jaxson Gomez
Google Las Medulas, that’s a good example of how efficient were romans extracting our few resources.
t. Being there, it’s fucking impressive what they did without machinery
Jackson Russell
It’s many things.
A civil war, a horrible post war government, in general southern-Europe isn’t as rich as western-Europe. Spain doesnt border rich regions. Portugal is poor, Morocco is trash and the French border region is not exactly the most economically relevant part.
Jason Cruz
spaniards are brown lazy goblins.
they sleep for 4 hours everyday after lunch.
Henry Flores
o goblinho butthurtinho lmao
Luke Thompson
>they should be in G20
We are in the G20 as a permanent guest member
Angel Lopez
Spain is mountanious,sparcely populated,with barely any good coal and with its only navigable river being in the periphery and with very few kms of navigability. It has the most fucked up geopolitical situation in all of western Europe
Noah Campbell
this.
Jason Davis
>8
that's why they all live on the coast
Ethan Watson
>populous
>good amount of natural resources
Zachary Rivera
Nope, it’s clearly genetics, if we were white as the swedish are, we would be relevant and wealthy.
Elijah Jenkins
>Spain is mountanious
depends of the region but yeah,Spain is arid in many parts of peninsula
Camden Scott
They lived in terror of their western neighbours, you can't really fault them
Justin Williams
Now. In the XVI century that wasn't viable as the wheat production was in the interior and as Spain didn't have navigable rivers the transportation of grain to the coast was really expensive. Until maize,tomatoes and potatoes were introduced to the Spanish periphery it was widely unpopulated with some exceptions like Valencia that have a really ferile land
Nolan Flores
>even with those hamstrings
>hamstrings
?
Jaxon Adams
Also barbary piracy, the med coast had a low population
Zachary Perry
interesting did not know this
Hunter Morales
Map is for the XVI century. It is obvious that the population core was in the center which is widely mountanious and without any navigable rivers. Galicia is really mountanious as well. International trade for a country like this is extremelly harsh so moat trade was local and foreign goods had to be highly taxed for local goods to remain competitive
Jose Perez
Dominic Lopez
You might find this interesting
Galicia is not that mountanious. It’s very hilly but the mountans are at the border with Asturias and Castilla.
Charles Flores
even with that we have survived 2000+ years, we'll be fine.
your country is more likely to blow up in the next decades tho
Dylan Clark
The most important thing is the quality of women.
Joshua Ross
based
Liam Moore
So now that I have stablished the geopolitical fuck up that is Spain. What could have been done to solve it?
The Duke of Lerma despite being a corrupt and dishonest polititian had the right idea. Moving the capital to Valladolid. The jesuit Bartolome Bustamante had alredy design a viable canal system to connect the different afluents of the Duero basin and create a canal to connect all the cities of the interior via a system of canals. Hidraulic energy could have allowed the mechanization of the manufacturing cities of the interior and made them competitive centers of production.
The plan would not be performed until 2 centuries later by the Marquis of la Ensenada in the XVIII century and the project was never finished due low interest and the arrival of the railroad
Dominic Bell
>The most important thing is the quality of women.
based chino
youtube.com
Nathan Wood
You're the guy with the jew nose and i hate you so much
Camden Jones
are you Spaniard? or CHI?
Austin Jones
Neither. I am a history major that really loves Spanish history. I am planning to do my PhD about the school of Salamanca and I am trying to learn Spanish and Latin to translate their work into English
Who?
Aiden Green
Spain is the strongest country in the world. We, spaniards have tried to destroy our country for centuries yet failed miserably.
Carter Sanchez
>colonized Americas and extracted vast amounts of wealth
Fucking reds gave the old to the Ruskies during the civil war.
Our political class has been shit since the death of Franco
Hunter Powell
Because we're still recovering from the two worst centuries in our whole history.
Nice one, Otto.
Justin Powell
is that the Tajo River or El Duero?
Sebastian Rodriguez
>said the country that is only known for DUDE LEGAL WEED LMAO
Nolan Richardson
>school of Salamanca
they were precursors of the economic science
Hudson Rogers
>populous
>good amount of natural resources
wrong
Christian Nelson
Shut up, irrelevant country
Nolan Barnes
Spain doesnt border morocco retard.
Does netherlands border england?
Just leave Spain alone.
Spain has no economical problems
80% of Spaniards own their own home.
Ryan Ward
>Who?
Henry Torres
Canal del Castilla.I think that part is around the Pisuerga basin
I know. I am more interested on their influence on Locke and the American revolution than the economic school of thought which is also interested.
Christian Hernandez
Stop smoking so much weed mang
Daniel Roberts
>reddit spacing
>doesn't know melilla or ceuta
I fucking hate americans so much
Alexander Green
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