You call China weak huh?

You call China weak huh?
You probably from irrelevant country.

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so who would be China's Poland in this scenario?

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Vietnam

Vietnam,Mongolia,Great Britain, Japan, power lines.

Manchuria
Mongolia
England

I'm fucking crazy

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Vietnam is already the Burger's

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Did you know we have S-M-O-G?

Tibet

Mongolia

Vietnam for both, just give it two dicks.

Japan literally raped chinese soldiers; women and children to death

China literally owned Vietnam for over a millennia.

good

Vietnam owned China so hard they teach that the war wasn't really a war.

fake news

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Uh uh it's propaganda of PRC we are good friend with ROC so no fake news because my textbook and wartime propaganda says so

chinese are dumb insectoid trash

Vietnam didn't beat us, we beat ourselves.

Opium

Let’s put aside the bravado. The Sino-Vietnamese war cost the Vietnamese government so much money that it is the reason for their stunted growth to this day. The point of that war, for China, was to exact punishment for Vietnam, not to gain territory or to rule.

Vietnam at that time was living off Soviet assistance. Trust me when I saw Moscow footed most of the bill for that war.

Japan, Mongolia, and the UK.

>The Sino-Vietnamese war cost the Vietnamese government so much money that it is the reason for their stunted growth to this day
The war they JUST went through against the American-led alliance already killed over a million of their soldiers and reduced all their infrastructure to rubble with more bombs dropped on tiny Vietnam than were dropped on all of Europe in WW2 (and with greater accuracy). An extra thirty thousand dead to expel the Chinese wouldn't even count as a rounding error.

"I've never considered [Vo Nguyen Giap] to be a great military strategist. Sound military strategy should not consist of sacrificing your soldiers en masse to break through the enemy lines. Had I employed a similar tactic with the US forces, I would have been removed from command in a few months. The Asian mind is different from ours, they do not place the same value on human life as we do."

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>muh social conservatism equals hive mind kek whites are superior don't look at iqs

and this is why you lose battles and wars. america lacks the fortitude to sacrifice what is necessary to win wars.

t. Huang

you need to examine how much it cost China relative to Vietnam. the Chinese point of view was to exact punishment. as long as it disrupted the Vietnamese economy more then the Chinese economy, it was a victory. they never sought to claim territory or establish government.

not an argument mate, war objectives are either won or lost, anything in between is just excuses.

Fix'd

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>the Chinese point of view was to exact punishment.
Yeah, they exacted so much punishment Vietnam didn't withdraw from Cambodia (who started the war) and set up a puppet government there.

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Ho Chi Minh boasted on a number of occasions that "We will win the war with our women's wombs. For every soldier we lose, we will make two more."

This was mostly just braggadocio though, and the Tet Offensive cost North Vietnam so many valuable men that they avoided a direct assault until after the US withdrawal.

Hahaha

>no one mentioned Korea

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>>On January 1, 1979, Chinese Vice-premier Deng Xiaoping visited the United States for the first time and told American president Jimmy Carter: "The little child is getting naughty, it's time he get spanked." (original Chinese words: 小朋友不听话,该打打屁股了。).[53] On February 15, the first day that China could have officially announced the termination of the 1950 Sino-Soviet Treaty of Friendship, Alliance and Mutual Assistance, Deng Xiaoping declared that China planned to conduct a limited attack on Vietnam.

>>The reason cited for the attack was to support China's ally, the Khmer Rouge of Cambodia, in addition to the mistreatment of Vietnam's ethnic Chinese minority and the Vietnamese occupation of the Spratly Islands which were claimed by China. To prevent Soviet intervention on Vietnam's behalf, Deng warned Moscow the next day that China was prepared for a full-scale war against the Soviet Union; in preparation for this conflict, China put all of its troops along the Sino-Soviet border on an emergency war alert, set up a new military command in Xinjiang, and even evacuated an estimated 300,000 civilians from the Sino-Soviet border.[54] In addition, the bulk of China's active forces (as many as one-and-a-half million troops) were stationed along China's border with the Soviet Union.[55]

China never particularly cared for Cambodia to be honest, had they actually cared, they would've invested more resources into it no? the loss of life was equal, but china has by far more resources to wage war, both in manpower and in equipment.

>>muh social conservatism equals hive
It's true though

People weren’t this butthurt when people discussed China 10 years ago here on Sup Forums


What happened

yes

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B-but...Where is Mulan?

There are many theories as to why China started the war. One of them being that the PLA contained many hardline Maoists and Deng Xiaoping wanted to discredit them by demonstrating the disrepair the army had fallen into from the Cultural Revolution. Another is that he wanted to distract the army generals' attention with a war so he could implement economic reforms unimpeded.

A third theory is that Deng wanted to demonstrate to the world that Moscow would not actually do anything to help their ally and were thus a paper tiger (thus the Chinese proverb "You won't know how the tiger will react until you pull on his tail.")

we'll never know the true reason why Deng went to war with Vietnam. but they did. even with a 1:1 ratio of losses, Vietnam being smaller in both resources and economy, is bound to had lost more then China. this is of course under the assumption that China did not want territory or governance over Vietnam.

executed by brits during the opium war

Didn’t they keep losing wars because most of the Qing population was drugged to death so European powers could get ahold of their land established as ports?

Based burger.

India

Well at least she wasn't raped

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You're right, she sold herself willingly for opium.

>the same value on human life as we do."
*proceeds to nuke Japan twice*

Invading Japan would have killed over 1 million people in a horrendous slaughter. Would that be preferable?

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I wrote a paper about the ABSOLUTE STATE of China's army in in the 19th century for a history class. The short version:
>military tech was overall 17th century tier, about 1/3 of the men had matchlocks and 2/3 polearms and bows
> most common Chinese firearm was the “bing-ding” musket, which fired a 4 gram ball with a maximum effective range of 100 meters (330 feet), at a rate of 1-2 rounds a minute. The standard British firearm was the Brunswick rifle, a muzzle-loading percussion cap firearm that fired a 53 gram ball with a maximum effective range of 300 meters, at a rate of 4 rounds a minute. In other words, not only were the British weapons much deadlier (over a dozen times the mass per shot), but British troops could engage the Chinese far outside of their effective range (100m v 300m) and put out two to four times as many shots to boot
>It was even worse when it came to artillery; not only did their cannons outrange the Qing cannons thrice over, British cannons were much lighter and easier to maneuver
> while the Chinese had to march hundreds of miles overland, the British could quickly plant their forces at strategic coastal cities and forts at will. The British did not venture far from the oceans and rivers, preferring to strike at specific targets to force concessions using the river network as a railroad.
>local commanders and officials were corrupt and given too much autonomy; embezzling funds that were supposed to be used to train their armies was common, as was reporting false information to their superiors to make themselves look better
>Qing garrisons less than a hundred miles apart would not combine their strengths or warn each other of British advances, either from inability or because the local commanders were confident that they could handle the British themselves. The result was that the Qing troops were destroyed in detail with little ability to retaliate.

Despite that their shittiness has been exaggerated over the years.

over demonstrating the power of nuclear bombs in a unoccupied area without tremendous loss of civilian lives? yes.

Wait, why would you chinks be sad about a bunch of Japanese being vaporized in an atomic bomb blast?

because that has nothing to do with the argument? either the Americans can just admit that they dropped the bomb to exact revenge and drop the pretense of 'oh we killed tens of thousands of civilians to save even more lives' or continue this charade. either way, it is what it is. just be truthful, both atomic bombs were used out of spite, not some altruistic desire to 'save lives'.

Qing forces were horsheshit and everybody pretty much knows that.

The only reason why people bring up their country’s military victory is to relieve the sense of pride for their nation, which sometimes gets too much on their head that they had to brag about it to other people. Look at France before WW2 and look at the UK now, their arrogance is just over the line

You could read about the PLA of today and it's exactly the same. The officer corps is incompetent and totally corrupt, officer positions are gained via nepotism or knowing people, equipment is trash-tier and decades out of date, and logistics are garbage. They don't even have a standardized radio frequency for army communications.

In the 1894-95 war with Japan, many of the artillery crews had no shells because the funding for them was siphoned off by corrupt officers.

indeed

South Korea is weak.

Those idiots succumbed from Trump's pressure.

what's the name of this spicy meme?

>you probabrry from irrerevant countree ?

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Becaus unlike their irrelevant countries, China is rising up in the world.