'Christianity as default is gone': the rise of a non-Christian Europe

theguardian.com/world/2018/mar/21/christianity-non-christian-europe-young-people-survey-religion

Europe’s march towards a post-Christian society has been starkly illustrated by research showing a majority of young people in a dozen countries do not follow a religion.

The survey of 16- to 29-year-olds found the Czech Republic is the least religious country in Europe, with 91% of that age group saying they have no religious affiliation. Between 70% and 80% of young adults in Estonia, Sweden and the Netherlands also categorise themselves as non-religious.

The most religious country is Poland, where 17% of young adults define themselves as non-religious, followed by Lithuania with 25%.

In the UK, only 7% of young adults identify as Anglican, fewer than the 10% who categorise themselves as Catholic. Young Muslims, at 6%, are on the brink of overtaking those who consider themselves part of the country’s established church.

The figures are published in a report, Europe’s Young Adults and Religion, by Stephen Bullivant, a professor of theology and the sociology of religion at St Mary’s University in London. They are based on data from the European social survey 2014-16.

Religion was “moribund”, he said. “With some notable exceptions, young adults increasingly are not identifying with or practising religion.”

The trajectory was likely to become more marked. “Christianity as a default, as a norm, is gone, and probably gone for good – or at least for the next 100 years,” Bullivant said.

But there were significant variations, he said. “Countries that are next door to one another, with similar cultural backgrounds and histories, have wildly different religious profiles.”

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The two most religious countries, Poland and Lithuania, and the two least religious, the Czech Republic and Estonia, are post-communist states.

The trend of religious affiliation was repeated when young people were asked about religious practice. Only in Poland, Portugal and Ireland did more than 10% of young people say they attend services at least once a week.

In the Czech Republic, 70% said they never went to church or any other place of worship, and 80% said they never pray. In the UK, France, Belgium, Spain and the Netherlands, between 56% and 60% said they never go to church, and between 63% and 66% said they never pray.

Among those identifying as Catholic, there was wide variation in levels of commitment. More than 80% of young Poles say they are Catholic, with about half going to mass at least once a week. In Lithuania, where 70% of young adults say they are Catholic, only 5% go to mass weekly.

According to Bullivant, many young Europeans “will have been baptised and then never darken the door of a church again. Cultural religious identities just aren’t being passed on from parents to children. It just washes straight off them.”

The figures for the UK were partly explained by high immigration, he added. “One in five Catholics in the UK were not born in the UK.

“And we know the Muslim birthrate is higher than the general population, and they have much higher [religious] retention rates.”

In Ireland, there has been a significant decline in religiosity over the past 30 years, “but compared to anywhere else in western Europe, it still looks pretty religious”, Bullivant said.

“The new default setting is ‘no religion’, and the few who are religious see themselves as swimming against the tide,” he said.

“In 20 or 30 years’ time, mainstream churches will be smaller, but the few people left will be highly committed.”

How is this a bad thing though?

Blame Fr*nce for inventing secularism.

This t b h

>Blame Fr*nce for inventing secularism.
They're restoring Classical virtue.

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This. Every country will soon be as progressive and utopian as Sweden

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I guess soon there will be more actual muslims in the UK than actual christians.

Czechia is the best european country by far. Non-religious and based on refuges plus have nice porn and the best beer

I don't believe that half of young Russians identify with no religion. They are more like: ok, I'm christian, Jesus is cool and shit, and besides that they do nothing to be a christian. They're non religious in fact but still think that they are christians.

Also best girls. One day I realised that all of my favorite porn actresses are either Czech or Czech descent.

Most religions are generally positive in terms of a society's health and well-being. They're important aspects of culture too. The thing is, the cultural religious identities are replaced by American pop culture and aimless consumerism. Neither of which are good for anyone, destructive and unhealthy. To be honest, attending church and identifying with a religion means little, what matters is the values imparted and retained. Enlightenment values and ideals are Christian at root, most westerners have always held them regardless of religion (since coming into being) but they've been slipping. The spiritual and culture degradation of the world is not a good thing, because it decides the resultant society. If you want a good quality of life, you should support some continuation of cultural religious-like values or straight-up religious values. You don't need religion in name, you just need a sincere cultural basis that remains relatively firm and is conducive to a kind, crime-free, diligent society.

What’s the point of calling them Christians if they don’t give a shit about the teaching me of Jesus though. The only real Christians left in the world are middle eastern ones. The so called Christians in the americas and Europe are phonies.

Pr*Testants invented secularism. The Fr*Nch and the Am*Ricans only developed this concept.

When I said porn I meant the girls, should have been more precise :D

Czech Republic, Russia and Hungary are three biggest suppliers of whores to porn industry. Atheism must have something with it. Lack of shame, treating a human body as a piece of meat, and so on.

Christianity is a beta cuck religion that is partially responsible for the overly altruistic and equality bullshit that the West likes to push. Shit, some of the biggest supporters of Islam and migrants in are Christians.

*europe

Like Richard Dawkins said, christianity is the best defense against islam. atheism/secularism will simply lead to islam, exactly what were seeing today.

Liberalism is my religion, justice is my God.

Its the same thing here, the russian guy described perfectly the "modern" christians.
Christianity now is more like a culture that has stayed with us than a religion in what people strongly believe.
They celebrate the birth/death of Jesus and plus 2-3 other bigger events when you go to church and that's it. I don't know many people except older ones who go daily/weekly to church.

The younger ones claim to be christians but have never read the Bible, all of their beliefs are from what society and relatives have told them about the religion.

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God bless France for making Algeria the most islamist country in the Maghreb

It's not the decline of faith that caused that, it's pic related.

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>actually believing this
The fucking Pope, who is the figurehead of the religion cares more about Muslims coming to the West than the persecution of Christians in the Middle East. So many Christians today keep pushing the retarded narrative that Islam and Christianity is the same religion and that Muslims are their brothers. Most Christians today are just liberal mouthbreathers, they’re the worst sjws

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Modernization of western culture meant the perversion of christianity

Wrong

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Europe is PAGAN.

This but unironically, Americanisation post WW2 and the spread of their cultural norms is the reason why we're in this situation.

Christianity is a semite religion foreign to Europe

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good
religion is for the weak
>inb4 fedora

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THIS
Odin will purge the semite religions from Europe

Based fuck wh*Tes and their shitty religion

Christianity is a Greek religion that originated in the Roman Empire

Its origins come from Jewland.

dunno how I feel about this
on one hand, religion has always inspired conflicts, so its absence might be a step in the direction of global peace
on the other hand, I fear a world without religion might eventually turn into a world without morality

Polish people are so embarrassing. If we must have a Slavic sidekick, it should've been Czechia.

The most homicidal regimes that ever existed in human history were the communists of the twentieth century, therefore atheists.

Poland is the last hope for Europe

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Most religions are like this. You think any Buddhists outside of monks and a few outliers have read any Buddhist literature? Even amongst them, most of Buddhism diverges quite a bit from the Buddha's original teachings. Just as Christianity is quite broad and interpretive in the present, let alone throughout its whole history. Getting hung up on who is actually religious and who is actually irreligious is unimportant, because the culture that results is the relevant force. It makes people live certain ways, do certain things. Faith and education in some specifics are just personal philosophical points.

That's true, and it's a part of the reason I'm not entirely positive about this trend despite being an atheist
Religion has a huge influence on humans, but most usually see it as either objectively good or objectively bad. In reality, it has both positive and negative results. A world without it will undoubtedly be different, but I can't predict if that's a good or bad thing. Time will tell.

I am completely convinced that a world without objective and timeless moral truths will open doors to atrocities.

So all communists are atheists and all
Atheists are communists? How did you ever come up with this rational?

I’m my opinion, morality is subjective to both time and place. There is no objective moral good, it’s a malleable human concept.

If people will fail to find a reason to be good without fearing some kind of divine punishment, it's likely. But atheism doesn't make you evil by itself. Some of the safest countries in the modern world are dominated by atheists.
There's also the fact that religion has caused atrocities. Ritualistic sacrifices, religious wars, torturing and brutally killing innocent people because of ridiculous accusations of sorcery, etc. Some religions, like islam, still promote violence nowadays. Unfortunately, this particular religion doesn't seem to be affected by the trend described by OP.

Source?

The communist regimes were anti-religious. That's a fact.
Then there is no morality at all. Everything is just a choice or a will.

This chart is pretty interesting, especially the "non christian religion" stat. I didn't know Austria, Switzerland and Belgium were that ridden with muslims.
Also
>France

Also interesting how Lithuania is strongly religious while its neighbour Estonia is strongly non-religious. Also
>Pooland

>Islam

Well I guess Islam is the one religion that is taking over where Christianity is diminishhing ;)

You said that morality is subjective. There cannot be a trully evil thing then. Killing is not evil because in the subjective morality of the killer, that's not wrong.

Islam would actually help fix the west, they provide the traditional values that Europe needs

>Atheists are communists?
Only a total apathetic view of humanity that comes from atheism could allow communism to take root

Ooops, I made a mess with you with the Canadian. Sorry
But I'm a Catholic. I don't care about other religions and I believe in an objective moral truth.

It's almost too perfect to be a coincidence
>christianity declines
>human societies cannot work long term without religion/spirituality
>interest for religion rises again
>islam is the to go religion

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Yes, a (((coincidence)))

So how to you conflate anti-religious attitudes with atheism? atheism by definition is the belief that god doesn’t exist, not the belief that religion is morally wrong.

Bingo, morality is a by product of societal norms.

The only real faith is Hinduism, as it is the Aryan faith of our forefathers.

>goddamn jews are behind it!!!!
Get real fags, desert religions are for cucks.

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So....

Because atheism is a core tenant of some forms of communism, all atheists are suddenly communists as well? Well that is a interesting point of view.

Religious nation = shithole nation

This is sad but not surprising as the whole of modern society is built on instant gratification now, and morals get in the way of that.

Like the Nazis?

الحَمدُلله

Our flags use the same colors, understandable
Being a Catholic is perfectly fine, I hold no negative feelings towards religions which don't promote violence, and as I said before, I wouldn't consider the disappearance of Catholicism an entirely good thing despite not believing in God
I'd rather live without their traditional values if they mean constantly waging war on non-believers, enforcing pointless restrictions and considering half of the human population subhuman

That really depends on wordings and terms used.
>They're non religious in fact but still think that they are christians.
Nothing wrong with that. You can identify as belonging to some faith, but being non-religious at the same time i.e. Instead maybe practicing the traditions you like or attending church whenever you please.
It's all subject of self-indentification.

If atheists believe that religion is morally wrong, and religions are the only way of knowing an objective moral truth, because an objective morality can only comes from the transcendency (God), we can only conclude that the atheists, in fact, don't believe in morality at all, not that morality is a product of times.

Muhammed...

No, but atheism leads to communism.

religion didn't have shit to do with it

...

religion ≠ morality

Do you think the Nazis were religious people?
I'm Brazilian, therefore not white.

why would jews replace their most friendly neighbors with their most hostile neighbors?
>flag
once an uncivilized savage, always an uncivilized savage

Source?

True, but religion was the main reason why people cared about morality

My gf is Brazilian and she's pretty white

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Clearly your knowledge of islam is lacking habibi

Yes they were
Your logic is flawed.

I could explain why but it is fun playing around with the macaco

I consider myself christian but I don't go to church every sunday or shit like that. I just like chirstian traditions and values.

I think most people that answered they were christian feel the same way.

Every society that is communist becomes atheist, and every society that is atheist becomes communist. It's a very clear link.

He's 100% right.
Poland is the most religious in Europe and still more liberal than any muslim country right now.

there are more actual muslims than actual christians in our countries

Enlighten me then, kochanie

Czech Republic is Communist now?

Czechs were 99% Christian in 1980. Now they are 10%.

But Hitler liked Islam and wished it was the religion of Germans instead of Christianity.

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Hussein al-Baguetti...

Isn't Japan an atheist society?
It is not communist?
But then again, North Korea became communist and I guess Korea and Japan are somewhat similar things.

Is that what they teach jews in school? U lot really hate muzzies heh.

She isn't. One drop rule, remember?
They weren't. Hitler created an ideology. If they were "religious" (Catholics), the Pope wouldn't have written the Mit brennender Sorge bulla to condemn them in 1937.

I said atheism is the disbelief in the existence of deities. Athiesm is, by definition, not the opposition to religion.

That’s a somewhat laughable assertion. Some atheists can become communists and some atheists can be monarchists and some atheists can become capitalists. Some atheists can also be a lot of things. What idea are you trying to convey? That atheists must become communists or communists can only be atheists?

i'm an atheist but i can admit that
islam is the most non cucked alpha religion out there

Japan is one of the most religious 1st world countries, it's just obfuscated by the fact that they practise Shintoism which isn't recognised as a religion as such due to not being a congregational thing
>Czechs were 99% Christian in 1980. Now they are 10%.
That's bullshit and you know it

But it can only be morality if it comes from the transcendent being. If the morality is not objective, there is no morality at all.

They didn't teach it to us in school, but it's true.

Orthodox Islam puts place, rules and regulations for jihad. No random muslim can make up a jihad and kill an unarmed man who was not doing anything to threaten him.
Even Saudi's brand of salafism puts a lot of conditions to the notion of jihad.

morality is

>>a particular system of values and principles of conduct, especially one held by a specified person or society.

there is no need for a 'transcendent being' for it to exist.

>She isn't. One drop rule, remember?
Well she's got 2 native great grandparents, but she may not have even inherited any of their genes.

If a muder can be "morally right" and "morally wrong" at the same time, just because some agree and others do not, there is no morality at all.