SPIDERMAN PASSES BVS

THE WINNER TAKES ALLLL
IT'S THE THRILL OF ONE MORE KILLL

youtube.com/watch?v=Tm4Lp7A-75U

EPIC BRO, EPIC

fuck do I ever love kid movies about spandex wearing archetypal ripoffs who punch and quip each other while entire cities are destroyed thousands of people dead and get shawarma afterwards.

>Sup Forums is wrong again
Is anyone surprised?

I hate the twinkification of Spider-Man over the last decade. Yeah he was a kid superhero for a few years at the start, get the fuck over it. He spent the definitive bulk of his career as an adult providing for his family

homecoming had to make at least 1.4billion to break even, marvel is finished mir bros?

Raimi already did adult Pete, Webb did 30yo high school senior Pete and now Marvel are doing freshman Pete.

Homecoming was predicted to gross well over $1b
It's a big disappointment same as BvS

>It's a flop! Sony expected trillions!

>When the studios renegotiated that deal in 2011, Marvel paid Sony—which was in need of cash—a lump sum of $175 million and agreed to fork over an additional $35 million each time a new movie was made, in exchange for the full merchandising revenues.

>That $35 million will also reportedly be reduced if the movie grosses over $750 million, according to a 2015 tweak to the deal that came when Disney and Sony partnered (paywall) up on the reboot. If Homecoming passes that threshold, it’ll be the fourth movie to do so this year, including a Marvel movie and another from Disney.

>That $35 million will also reportedly be reduced if the movie grosses over $750 million,
>That $35 million will also reportedly be reduced if the movie grosses over $750 million,
>That $35 million will also reportedly be reduced if the movie grosses over $750 million,
>That $35 million will also reportedly be reduced if the movie grosses over $750 million,

>had to make at least 1.4billion to break even
You fucking what, pal? It cost fucking $175m to make and apparently they spent about $140m on marketing. It's almost made triple what they spent

That would have been ok if it weren't Disney's only approach to the character across the board, have you seen the new cartoons at all? His voice in the new MvC game? He didn't even solve any of his own problems in HC, always asking others what to do. They're trying to make Spider-Man an effiminate unfunny redditor and faggy nu-male, it's infuriating

You know, I havent seen BvS in theaters, yet Ive payed to see that crappy Spider-guy movie. I still believe BvS is 300% better. Gross doesnt mean the movie is better. It just sells better.

>DCucks have to admit BvS was a failure because Spider-Man passed it

>effiminate unfunny redditor and faggy nu-male
Man, you're mad. Anyways, they're differentiating him from the other Marvel heroes. One thing that sets him apart from the others it that he started off as a kid so they're embracing that part. Holland will eventually grow up and you'll get adult Spider-man, relax.

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Allegedly WB also spent $400m on marketing while Marvel only spent $140m on homecoming's marketing.

He doesn't have any of the Pathos of the character, his first film doesn't have anything equivocal to uncle Ben's death; Spider-Man is a character about being compelled by guilt and responbility to do the right thing because he can. None of that was in the movie, they're removing depth from the character to make him into generic disney teen sitcom hero. He has no responsibility. HC was about saving a billionaire's toys for him and leaving a girl fatherless for personal gratification, pure ego

>admitting being wrong
>not just carrying on with the cognitive dissonance and delusion

how new are you to the capeshitwars?

No Spider-Man film has ever done a billion so why would this one?

>Allegedly WB also spent $400m


400m including marketing you dumbass

and they got between 50 and 100 millions from turkish airlines alone

DC fanboy damage control.

they say it had to make a billion because RDJ had a small part in it and every RDJ movie makes a billion, if you pretend the first two iron man movies don't exist.

IT'S A FLOP HAHA ;_;

Marvel's characters=new hotness
DC's big characters=old and busted overpowered dinosaurs from a bygone era that should be put out to pasture

Batman, Wonder Woman, and Superman are cultural icons in North America up there with Santa, Jesus and Dracula. People might not know much about them, but they'll know who they are. Their movies and comics will generally make some money, but that doesn't mean they have a good chance of being universally praised or even well liked.

Dracula is a great example comparison, movies with him don't make lots of money just because people know who the character is. There's a difference between saying everybody knows who it is, and everybody cares, and people who defend Superman, Batman, and Wonder Woman seem to often confuse the two.

The big DC characters almost all come from a time when people didn't care about making good characters just beings with powers, origins, and costumes that seemed neato. Stan Lee came along with Marvel comics and was able to learn from their past mistakes and make better characters that can be better adapted for tv and movies and be able to more easily create good stories, comics, movies, and tv shows.

DC characters are only better known in the West due to having a head start. Marvel characters have been fundamentally constructed to be more amenable to being a part of great storytelling.

Luckily, many DC characters will enter the public domain in the coming couple decades so Marvel can adapt the characters and make some good comics and movies.

I'm not saying the movie was not very lighthearted in contrast to earlier iterations of the character but like I said they're trying to differentiate it somewhat from the other movies. Hell, everyone was complaining as soon as it was announced how they're tired of the same "responsibility" shit over and over again, even here on Sup Forums. I'd love a definitive translation of the comic but this is not the first Spider-Man movie. We'll see what they do with the sequel, just because the first one didn't explore his guilt and origin it doesn't mean that it's not possible to be featured in the sequels. Also he alludes to power and responsibility in Civil War and to "what aunt may has gone through" in homecoming so it's not like they completely did away with Ben.

Congrats bros! A movie with two characters that made billions on their own made the same as BvS thanks to China and an empty summer!

>Domestic
it's total gross was $1,153m while Wonder Woman made $819m

>>Domestic
That's right friend, a Wonder Woman solo movie made more than an Avengers movie with Spider-Man on top in the only relevant market in the world. Shame about that muslim boycott though

shame that japan didn't make it gross 200 million

the movie bombed like never before in china
superhero movies are dying you faggots

>in the only relevant market in the world.
All markets are relevant if they're profitable, you simpleton. CW made almost $800m outside of the US, that's more money than your minuscule mind could even begin to comprehend.

They're both shit, who cares?

Wonder Woman made more profit than Civil War, you know that right?

>MUH CHINA

>Wonder Woman without China: $729M
>Civil War without China: $973M
>Spider-Man without China: $770M

I'm not saying Wonder Woman is a bad movie, but it's as of now it's simply a flash in the pan for the DCEU.

Actually I don't know about that. WW was cheaper to make by 100m but Civil War grossed about 300m more, and with their domestic grosses being about equal...

According to this shill the total """"""hit""""" that was Homecoming made about the same as Suicide Squad if we're discounting China. You know, a movie with spiderman and iron man vs a movie that was painful to sit through. That's two flash in the pans in a row

Not tired of responsibility or Spider-Man's themes, just tired of seeing it become routine by regurgitating a few scenes in a very uninspired way

Spider-Man is nothing without his ideals or convictions, he might as well be any generic superhero. Spider-Man is not the sum of all of his superficial qualiies no matter how much they'd like for him to be

>if we're discounting China
But we're not, that's moving the goalpost.

SHOT THROUGH THE HEART

Marvel movies make money on the principle that people like them, not because of pandering.

>SS pandering to blacks, spics and edgy teenagers
>WW pandering to sjws and liberals

I agree, but I enjoyed the movie more than Raimi or Webb's movies. But yeah, I'd still love for someone to get it truly right.

No matter how much any of you argue, Homecoming will never be a meaningful contribution to the mythos of Spider-Man. I expect it's mediocrity from the cartoons not the films

AND I RAN
I RAN SO FAR AWAY

Considering those $300M were made overseas where the studios get 25-30% of the gross revenue and under the absurd hypothesis that Wonder Woman spent the same on marketing than Civil War, Wonder Woman still made more profit. Not even getting into a Return on Investment analysis because it just wouldn't be fair

>It's almost made triple what they spent
FLOP!

They ain't gettin' any o' that chink money.

>Marvel characters have been fundamentally constructed to be more amenable to being a part of great storytelling.

So how is it Disney keeps failing to produce anything but utterly disposable entertainment? I've heard people(here and literally nowhere else, mind you) call GotG "the new Star Wars." I haven't laughed that hard in ages.

Youre right. Look at WW.

Cringe.

>GotG "the new Star Wars." I haven't laughed that hard in ages.

You realize there are as many good GotG movies are there are good Star Wars movies, right?

It was a fine movie, I'm just very protective of how the character is handled and expecially how he's perceived. I don't like what they want Peter Parker to be now.

I don't even need the original comics to be adapted per say, like a book. I'd just like for them to be true to the spirit of the character. But Homecoming was good, i wasn't fuming after seeing it or anything i enjoyed it

But they aren't old!! Nothing new can ever be good!! Also daddy no likey!!!!

I blame the millennials.

Man, a reasonable guy on Sup Forums. I literally never thought I'd see the day. Give me a hug, man.

False, there is one good star wars movie and zero good GotG movies. Sorry friend but numbers don't lie

>False

Choke on my fuck, compadre, I don't have time for the wretched opinions of some cum-guzzling queen.

>chinks going to the movies to watch a diversity flick
eh, calling marvel manipulation on this

I refuse to watch movies made by slaves

You seem upset you got told, son. I'm sorry

>CA:CW 1.2 billion - 250*2 million budget/ad = 700 million
>WW 820 million - 150*2 million budget/ad = 520 million
Civil war's profit was almost WW's entire take

The actual movie wasn't about diversity, though. It's a movie that happened to have a diverse cast, no one is hailing it as some kind of game changer like Wonder Woman, because it was never sold like it was.

Not an argument.
Try again.

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btw what was the point of the character Zendaya plays? like she does nothing in the movie why was she even in it?
Was the slave comment the only reason for her to be included?

You know studios don't take every dollar the movie makes in theaters right? Robert has to pay for his crack and all

Probably setting something up for the sequel

Homecoming pandered to blacks, chicks, pajeets AND SJWs.

She's Mary Jane Watson. Provided they don't make Peter a homo, of course

His paycheck is included in the budget.

I hated the movie in every aspect, it had almost no redeeming qualities for me but I liked how they made Peter Parker goofy and awkward again unlike Webb's PP who was a suave and smooth motherfucker

They gave Peter jungle fever.
If they ever have Gwen, she'll be black, too.

It didn't pander, they never emphasize the diverse cast the way DCEU emphasized Wonder Woman being about a woman.

yeah I guess she's MJ and they're setting her up but she's in the movie a ridiculous amount of time for a character that is still not important, hell she's even in the movie poster instead of the actual love interest
you could tell they just wanted an actor who's popular among teens

They did emphasize the diverse cast in everything, specially inside the movie.

>Washington had slaves and was a FUCKING WHITE MALE
I don't know about you but it really made me think

Lmao what a load of bullshit

Fucking when? Never was anyone race ever acknowledged apart from one gag about white guilt from the teacher.

its a given with marvel to pander to libs, its nothing new

Are you for real, nigga?

DELET PLEASE

Oh right there was that part when everyone congratulated Peter for hanging out with an asian and being interested in a black girl. Oh and that one line where Peter said "Man, Toomes, you sure are bad and all but good on you for marrying a black woman, very brave!" and when Peter got stuck under the rubble and shouted "I WISH I WAS BLACK SO I COULD OVERCOME THIS!" and then died.

Oh man DCucks are on full damage control now. Weren't they saying the movie wouldn't even pass ASM2 a while ago?

I'm a DChad and this looks like damage control alright. I mean Iron Man 3 made 1.2 billions and all Raimi's Spider-Man made more than Homecoming adjusted, yet MCUcks are happy to make as much as BvS and 75 million less than Wonder Woman in the US. I don't know, it's kind of sad

>DChad
cringe

every thread

>anti-cape shitposts are somehow pro-capeshit posts

The movie was kind of dumb on itself but it was probably too smart for you

Why do people fight over which company made more money with their horrible capeshit?

>This level of asshurt
Lmao holy fuck

They get about half of box office.

Foreign market was a mistake

Man I love it when Sup Forums is proven so horribly wrong

>870 millions
You're a big guy!

This movie sucked so bad compared to the Dark Knight. It almost felt like a parody at times

Just like homecoming.

not really.

Agreed. Amazing Spider-man 2 is regularly featured lists of greatest movies of all time so surely people expected greatness.

Are you sure he wasn't attacking capeshit movies in general? Aside from quipping, what he said applies to BvS as well.

Why do people still watch spiderman in the 3rd reboot? I'm not even inclined to torrent it tbqh

>I hate capeshit but isn't Marvel way worse than DC? After all most people probably didn't understand Batman v Superman since it doesn't have quips.

>bullied by a chubby immigrant 4 inches shorter than him
>his love interest looks like a hobo
>He try to please Iron man instead of uncle ben
>quips worse than "superhero" from drake bell
>the suit looks cheap as fuck
>terrible cgi
>the entire plot go to nowhere, peter simply return to do what he always did
>

it's not a matter of better or worse
marvel is going for light hearted comedy comic books style
dc is going for gritty, more serious style

both has merits both has weaknesses

stop being a retard