Fuck you Sup Forums and Sup Forums as usual you are wrong.
>The new Klingons are absolutely incredible and are exactly what Star Trek needs
In OldTrek, Klingons were really more of a caricature of what they felt like they really should be. They were two dimensional. With discovery, they actually feel like a completely separate culture with real belief systems and hierarchy. I absolutely love that they have been speaking almost exclusively in their own language.
>T'Kuvma the Unforgettable
The lead Klingon being a Bismarck style leader who introduces radical new military technology that reshapes the balance of powers
Really hope the next episodes are of the same quality.
somehow these Klingons are even less likely to be scientists and engineers which is impressive. Imagine getting all dressed up ni that spike armour to go down to the lab, and play with deflectors all day.
Oliver Kelly
>mfw they literally went WAAAAAGHHHH
Isaiah Anderson
>producers turn Klingons into Drumpfkin >Sup Forums immediately relates
Ayden Williams
How do they justify the klingon's looking so different from the other ones?
Lincoln Campbell
They don't, but it is literally the least of the shows problems.
Ethan Richardson
>OldTrek
Oh hello there CBS, doing some damage control to prepare for your potential breach of contract lawsuit with Netflix?
>Klingons looked like Worf before TOS, then like humans during TOS, then like Worf again. This was confirmed and explained across numerous series >Klingons now have previously and later unseen WARHAMMER ship design >Klingons having cloak tecnology before TOS >"Nobody has seen a Klingon in a hundred years" directly lifted from that Romulan episode of TOS.
Sebastian Long
I want to see a white klingon aggressively fart in the lead character's mouth so hard her cheeks puff out and her eyes bulge.
You know, as a radical new military tactic that reshapes the balance of power.
Before ENT, they did not. We are just better for CGI and make-up.
John Campbell
Ds9 Klingons weren't 2 dimensional
Kayden Perez
They were black humans. No less no more.
Oliver Morales
my guess: they all or some are eventually going to change from being supposedly racial purists (according to an interview with the former showrunner) and accept people into their culture regardless of their ancestry and interbreed with some other aliens/humans so that at least some of them in the future look more like one seen in later episodes
Jeremiah Cox
DS9 did an episode on this when they went back in time.
Nolan Thomas
I agree. I loved STD and can't wait for more.
People just want to hate it.
Michael Martinez
How long will it take you to admit that you were wrong?
If we reach September 24th, 2018, and there's still no lawsuit, will you get down on your knees and beg our forgiveness?
Brayden Lopez
STD is so bad it made me appreciate ENT
ENT is now a classic
Aaron Walker
Thats fucking retarded, I would of went with 'klingon scientists where trying to create the ultimate warriors and made these fugly bastards. They find out that they where too effective or 'gose against the original teachings so just close them all up into pods via Khan story line before some crazed fuckers bring them out again.
See? I can come up with an allready used plotline but something that makes fucking sence in this shitty show and it only toulk me reaching into my ass to do it.
Easton Parker
More like T'Kuvma the Jobber.
Levi Walker
ENT's always been good.
Adam Green
>they're all niggers except the one whitey who is an outcast
Hunter Sullivan
Klingon funeral is TNG Cannon. They literally WAAAGHHH at the sky.
Jaxson Rivera
Season 3 and 4 of ENT are legit good and it's a shame it got cancelled after recovering from the typical early season slump of Star Trek.
VOY is the shittiest trek. Starts tedious, stays tedious, ends tedious.
Nolan Ross
>in an effort to bolster their unappealing and unwanted reboot, CBS shills unironically try to convince everyone that it was actually TOS, TNG and DS9 that were bad
i'm not even angry at this point, just impressed
Asher Garcia
although I agree with thisthis anonis correct, they have always screamed when one of them dies to scare the dead and let them know a warrior is coming to the afterlife.
Adam James
highlands close
Dylan Sanders
Shills have been a problem since TFA
Samuel Jackson
They didn't value their corpses in old canon, though.
I don't mind the changes. I like the new klingons quite a bit, actually. They feel more alien, more culturally distinct.
Eli Cox
The guy in the middle is like a real life anti-semetic Nazi caricature from DER STURMER come to life
Colton Scott
>more culturally distinct it's new, but no, it's not "more"
Xavier Peterson
VOY is the closest to TOS
DS9 is so far away form trek it would have failed if it didn't mix TNG with babylon 5
TNG>TOS>VOY>TAS>ENT>DS9
Gavin Bailey
Is it wrong that I want a time travel episode where they go back and meet Archer and the Enterprise crew?
Wyatt Bell
>The new Klingons are hideous racist black caricatures
DS9 has good characters and writing, VOY has shit characters and writing. Sorry.
Parker Morgan
i thought they would not propose anything interesting and i was wrong on at least one thing so far: the culture clash is well presented. i remember hearing something about a crisis in anthropology in the 60s i think, something about not being able to get close to the object of study because you falsify it and in a way destroy it... was all that about ethnocentrism, i forget. anyway. interesting to see the klingons playing it as being totally incompatible... but we saw some factions show they could be a bit more chill about it and just keep their distance.
James Foster
DS9 isn't even a trek
Its a space station soap opera
Jacob Hall
>VOY is the closest to TOS
Only with shit wiritng and awful characters, yeah pretty close my dude definitely warrants a place on the rating higher than DS9 - the best written and acted Trek show of them all
seriously if you're going for maximum contrarian shitposting you might as well have put STD at the top
Elijah Stewart
Anyone here speak Klingon and can confirm how accurate their accents/pronunciations are?
Caleb Turner
That's where they had no forehead ridges. Isn't this set 10 years before TOS? So in 10 years, the majority of Klingons turn from this to just guys painted brown.
Jackson Davis
you probably wipe sitting down
Brayden Parker
It's really not that hard to believe that Klingon's would shit on the albino just for being one.
Jason Stewart
>So in 10 years, the majority of Klingons turn from this to just guys painted brown. This already happened in ENT because some genetic virus got spread
Samuel Bennett
>I am captain shuushnuu of the starship chingchong
I enjoyed the Klingons too, they handled them in a very fair manner - their culture and cause were believable. Couldn't even call them the villains until they crashed their ship into the Europa. Best part of the new show easily. Everything else was either poorly done or retarded as fuck though.
Jacob Hughes
Its nit stsr trek dude, its just some generic space action flick/series now. You being a retard it is understandable that you do n't get that.
Brandon Bell
If they actually show the Klingnogs transforming to the Soviet Mongolians of TOS i will literally pay for it. But that 99,9% won't happen judging by how they are treating the canon so far.
Christian Foster
My bad, my ENT memory isn't great, so they were starting the 'turn' in ENT? And yet all the great houses and rando Klingons of 'the unforgettable's' hous are all some form of orc? It makes very little sense.
Luke Morgan
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Camden King
ENT is awesome and so is faith of the heart
there are times orville looks exactly like ENT
Joseph Rivera
>watch the first episode >main character is awful, unrelatable, obnoxious >klingons look ridiculous - changed just for the sake of change >everyone talks so fast, and all sound like data, e.g. "unable to comply" >camerawork, lens flares, dutch angles pulled directly from jj trek only saving grace was the cool klingon storyline and they killed the fucking klingon hitler before the end of episode 2...
Brayden Cook
I'VE GOT FAITH...
TO BELIEVE...
Brayden Flores
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Leo Thompson
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Bentley Brooks
>DS9 - the best written and acted Trek show of them all Sup Forums really is the center of bad taste
Sebastian Gray
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Gavin Carter
Are you saying S1-2 are bad? I'm watching ENT right now for the second time, getting to the end of S2 and I've enjoyed the crap out of both seasons, it even feels like that the amount of super lame eps per season is smaller than in previous series. I also remember all the Xindi stuff or whatever which comes after quite meh.
Jaxson Ward
1 and 2 are more boring than bad, but I liked the Xindi arc except for the one episode with the insectoid nursery ship
Christopher Smith
>Are you saying S1-2 are bad? Not the other guy - They're meh, but they're bad by Star Trek standards. 3 and 4 are great though. A fifth would've been outstanding.
Daniel Cruz
White Klingon Pride, Alpha Quadrant Wide
Michael Garcia
Based space Muslims. Based space Mohammed. Kaplah, we call a Jihad on the federation!
Oliver Ward
Its bad get out reddit
Christian Johnson
truly an epic crafted for the ages
Owen Williams
Out reddit.
John Sanders
Few people are going to want to admit it but Star Trek canonical dogma is suffocating as fuck and has really pigeon holed any new star trek creators.
Voyager alone fucked up the technology curve so badly that anything post-VOY has to deal with slipstream drives, crazy ablative armor, a borg destroying super virus and holo-technology that essentially farts out sentient creatures whenever you turn it on.
Thank to all the time travel bullshit in ENT we know what the enterprise-J looks like (bad) and we have this stupid ass road map to the future.
And because we have 5 decades worth of star trek on tv you can't match aesthetics with anything without clashing with something, or creating bad caricatures of what people thought was cool using budget effects from the late 60's, the late 80's or the early 2000's. TNG ruined the fuck out of star ships by essentially playing with the scale of bird of prey models to create a nonsense klingon fleet and re-using the reliant from ST II and the excelsior from ST III because they couldn't afford anything new.
This whole universe is a continuity and aesthetic nightmare to the point where I don't see why anyone even bothers getting mad about anything anymore. It's never fucking matched and it's never made any sense.
Jason Price
Was the new show good or bad I've only seen the Star Trek movies and liked the show better than those.
Samuel White
I unironically agree OP, the Black Fleet, Torchbearer, the culture, aesthetic, all really interesting so far.
David Cooper
Discovery so far is better than the Jew Jew movies, yes.
David Reyes
There was lots of various ship designs shown from both sides, which is nice.
Mason Torres
I unironically like the designs that we saw, the federation ships looked appropriately clunky, but still very much in-line with the established aesthetics, saucers and nacelles.
Xavier Gray
They were all better than I expected. Even the main "villain" ship was explained well enough.
I liked the small Klingon ships we saw during the skirmish; flying wing-BoP analogue.
Austin Green
stop talking to yourself, CBS
Lincoln Smith
that's just an even more overdetailed version of the small BSG cylon ships
Levi Watson
Nope the leads in jj were at least charismatic
Parker Parker
>got proven how much of an autist he was weeks ago by some user showing this newfag the archive with his filename, now he uses Sup Forums-x to edit his filename before posting, spewing random 1->5 hilarious redditfaggot
Colton Parker
It was a good start. Looking forward to more.
Xavier Jenkins
the most disappointing thing about this show is that people will watch anything. these people are the problem. watching this garbage rewards them and only encourages more garbage. more lowest common denominator.
Hunter Taylor
Damn! That ugly black klingon is the most ugly racist stereotype I've ever seen on tv.
Aiden Rogers
Fuck you original fans we have nothing but distain for you.........please bring money
Jaxson Reed
>People bitching about klingon design and lens flares when a good portion of the S1 of DS9 was abysmal
Christopher Parker
I thought the Romulans invented the cloaking device....
Andrew Walker
>potential breach of contract lawsuit with Netflix? Someone tell me what this autistic guy is referring to
Christopher Miller
The new Klingons are nationalists, oppose scheming liberals, literally did nothing wrong, and just want to MAGA.
Juan Lopez
Does this show ruin canon?
Matthew Gomez
1. No 2. You shouldn't care anyway. It's a tv show not a wiki.
Lincoln Morris
So far it's sharted all over canon in several major ways. mostly to do with tech and klingon biology.
Thomas Russell
Ok, so kind of important
i've been lurking and something just happened and I don't know where to ask this
I just killed a big shiny black spider with a red thing on its belly. Upon further inspection and googling I found out it might black widow female
Do I need to call an exterminator ASAP?? No clue what to do
Anthony Peterson
>does this show ruin canon >No
pajeet stop shilling for cbs
Isaac Lewis
Suddenly Spock has an adopted human sister we never heard about
Christopher Allen
don't worry about it
Grayson Bennett
wat?
Ian Lewis
Netflix footed the bill for an highly anticipated Original Timeline tv show under a Viacom license (classic Trek shows). CBS recently split with Viacom and decided to skirt it past Netflix by making a show with a Bad Robot license or a new licensing setup, which is unssoperted by merchandising. They still marketed and presented it as a Prime timeline show, which it obviously isn't. It's supposed to be set between ENT and TOS and doesn't look like either one or even anything remotely close.
Disclaimer: All of this is speculation based on rumors.
Nicholas Sanchez
Was canon ruined when the NX-01 had a view screen, had post TOS ship technology with slightly different names, ran into people with holodecks, and met the Romulans, Ferengi and Borg decades/centuries before their canonical first encounters?
Carson James
yeah, but canon does not matter here anymore than it does in star wars
Daniel Williams
They'll accept (((those))) Klingon since they now have a common enemy.
Elijah Lewis
Are you sure though? This is the 2nd time seeing one in the last few days (and only two times I've ever seen them before) but tonight it's confirmed black widow with the hourglass
If anything i'm going to call to make sure the local clinic has anti-venom, since the hospital is very far. I'm getting a shitload of mixed messages whether i need to pay up for an exterminator though
Nicholas Bennett
Star Trek fans have the memory capacity of fleas
Liam Russell
>view screen irrelevant >ran into people with holodecks they never shared that technology >met the Romulans, Ferengi and Borg decades/centuries before their canonical first encounters they ensured that the crew did not know who or what they were. It's just another unknown species at that point. But I get what you mean, I'd also like some lightsabers in Star Trek because fuck canon.