>watch Batman TAS
>cheer for Bruce fighting against criminals
>watch Batman Beyond
>it was all for nothing
>Gotham still has crime
>hell, its even worse
>Bruce is an embittered old man who never achieved his goals
>everyone he loved has died
Who thought this show was a good idea?
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What? You don't like BAD ENDS? The best kind of heroes are the ones that end miserable and die horrible deaths.
It's not like Bruce could ever win.
>everyone he loved has died
That isnt even the worst of it. The ones that are still alive resent him
It was a big "fuck you" to Warner Bros for the request of an executive who said they should make a more youth-friendly cartoon.
Well, he actively pushed them all away.
They could have done more to show that crime came back to Gotham after Batman retired rather than implying that Batman never made any difference.
Batman Beyond had one of my absolute favorite Joker portrayals, and what I feel is the perfect culmination and death for TAS Joker in the Arkham flashback. The rest was fine, but that flashback was gold. Only thing it was missing was the TAS Joker theme.
That glorious monologue shit talking Bruce Wayne.
>It'd be funny if it weren't so pathetic...
>...Ah, what the heck, I'll laugh anyway!
>HAAAHAHAHAHA!
Those final words.
>That's not funny.
Such a great way to end the character. Totally ruined the Bat family. Gave Batman his limp. That's my head canon Joker and what a great way to end it.
Batman Beyond had it's ups and downs, but I'll always remember it fondly for giving me such a satisfying send off for the show I loved so much in the 90s.
>>it was all for nothing
>>Gotham still has crime
>>hell, its even worse
And that's alright.
Gotham is a shithole and even Bruce couldn't save it.
Every time i get nostalgic about DCAU Batman i watch this old fan video about the cartoons.
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Those feels, man.
Damn.
Well that executive certainly got the last laugh.
my first "why boner"
>Who thought this show was a good idea?
The writers.
They were right.
What part of that is "why"?
BB return of the joker was fucking great, i rewatched it just over a year ago and was really surprised at how well it holds up
She's made of ink. In more ways than one. Or is cartoon porn mainstream now?
>That guy who was jerking off to her in the ice block nightly
>and she knew
There are several boards on this site dedicated to cartoon porn fucking normie.
Oh, stop sperging, fag. You asked a question, I was providing a possible answer. Try to keep in mind the guy was probably a kid watching that. We weren't all born numb.
>We weren't all born numb
I didn't know getting hard to drawings triggered you so much, I apologize.
Yeah, yeah, I'm real offended. How does this one do for a why boner?
So the League of Shadows were right, and Bruce just wasted his lifetime trying to prevent the inevitable?
This is actually really well put together, thanks for sharing, user.
I like to think of it as an alternate future.
I think it's more that Batman let his bitterness and loner nature get the better of him.
he got darker and more serious between TAS and the redesign in B/S Adventures. he stopped really smiling as often and lost any semblance of a lighthearted nature under the cowl.
and that evolution of the character is what led him to push everyone away, and when Joker fucked Robin, it pushed Bruce over the edge and he secluded himself even further.
And once he had his heart attack, it broke him that he had to use a gun as leverage, and he quit being batman.
Like Terry said, a little heart problem would never stop him, it was the psychological impact of the heart attack forcing him to pull a gun that fucked him up. So he quit being batman and became a reclusive shut in. he stopped participating in his company and it got taken over, further disconnecting him from the world. he had no friends, he had a weak heart, no company, and he just stopped paying attention to the crime because he didnt trust himself to do anything about it, till Terry came along and rekindled his desire for justice
As far as other media has shown, Metropolis turned out alright, mostly because Superman never stopped. (and metropolis was always just a nicer place overall)
Someone post the soundtrack please.
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It's very realistic. How else could you see Batman ending up? Did you think he was going to rehabilitate the Joker and they were going to be pals? Life is full of disappointment especially for mentally unstable vigilantes. The most heart-warming part of this was that Terry would not make the same mistakes Bruce did.
Terry was the better Batman in almost every way.
>How else could you see Batman ending up?
The Dark Knight Returns.
Terry had a fucking picnic compared to Bruce
He had the suit do everything for him and had bruce giving him intel
Doesn't stop him from being best Batman.
>When Batman deepthroats Inque
Catwoman was still alive and didn't hate him, she just never appeared or was even talked about on the show for some reason.
She was alive?
To be fair, while mundane crime and corporate espionage kept going on as usual and did get a whole lot worse, Bruce apparently *did* defeat/stop all the super villains stirring up shit. We all know what happened to the Joker. The Royal Flush gang was put down for at least a generation according to the current King, and we never saw any evidence that Two-Face/Riddler/anybody unaccounted for took over the town or had any dire Arkham City situation that cost thousands of lives.
Bruce's failure was pushing everyone away; if he or Nightwing had had a successor prior to Terry, the mundane crime would have been kept as low as the super crimes... but luckily for us (and the plot) a Batman arose when he was needed most of all when super crime started returning.
He ended up coming back from it, but even he went down that road, even going so far as to be the only Batman to ever alienate Alfred.
>NDDD--
>Da--
>DANA--
>GRRGL
What, you think Gotham was going to be a utopia when batman grew old? That seems pretty unlikely in any timeline.
Do you guys want Batman Beyond Arkham?
That Batman wasn't as old as the one in Beyond.
He was more early 60s, which I think was about the age Bruce was in the prologue of Beyond.
Add another 20 years to that and things aren't so great.
Hell yes
In a word? Yes.
In several words?
Why don't we have it already and why am I not playing it?
Yes, though she only shows up in a single page in the comics.
I think Beyond was more about where Bruce was. Enemies dies in real brutal ways, almost every episode was a downer, people got reall wrecked.
Isn't Gotham canonically sitting on a Hellmouth?
TDKR Batman ended his story preparing to train a new generation.
BB Batman never had his last hurrah and had no Bat-family successors.
Scratch that, I misread. I thought it said Dark Knight Rises.
Hell fucking yes. It something that needs to happen. More when Marvel is about to relase that new Spider-Man game. Bats will lose his spotlight as the superhero with the best vidya.
I would like Terry as Batman and Damian as Robin. What do you think, Sup Forums?.
>comics
Nobody gives a fuck about the BB comics theyre pretty much all shit.
That's kind of how technological progress works. The suit and Bruce's help did a lot, but in the end it only enabled the right person to come along and use them effectively.
Why are you smack-talking the greatest cyberpunk cartoon ever made?
>Who thought this show was a good idea?
>Green Lantern TAS - Lost Episode
Okay, that one hurt
It was pretty schway
>I would like Terry as Batman and Damian as Robin. What do you think, Sup Forums?
I think that's stupid and I hate you
>terry
>having a robin
TRIGGERED
Goddamit I started tearing up. Perfect song choice
I could never understand why a man who values control as much as Bruce does, would allow himself to get old. He's a master chemist and a genius. He has access to the Lazarus pit. Why would he allow himself to get old when he can just pull a Raz and live forever?
In fact, there was an episode where talia shows up and gives him a dip in the youth-pool.
The twist: It's really Raz in Talia's body, and he wants Bruce's body next. Theres probably fan fiction of this in a sexual way but I don't want to look for it. Lazarus pit and Talia/Raz get blown up.
It sort of sours him on the lazarus pit idea.
She actually was mentioned by Bruce at the end of the episode with 10 from the Royal Flush Gang. He pretty much mentioned it because he wanted to tell Terry that even he did something like what Terry did.
Plus, there's the part about how the Pit slowly eats away at your mind and body, which is why Ra's wanted a successor in the first place.
I saw this episode years after seeing as a kid. I got mind-fucked by the twist. So well-done.
This.
If you look at the big picture, it doesn't look like Bruce accomplished much. You have to look closer to see all the lives Bruce saved and how he pretty much stopped Gotham from being an empty crater.
A stalemate is pretty impressive considering it was just one guy and his butler for most of his career.
Batman in general is an odd character in the context of the DC universe. He still does things old-school instead of using alien tech or magic.
The logical conclusion of an authentic Bruce Wayne would be like the one in Kingdom Come, when he has super powerful Bat-bots who take care of everything. Or maybe he becomes a Green Lantern like in that elseworlds story.
The Lazarus Pit's effects come at the cost of one's sanity, and Bruce has precious little of that to begin with. Plus, it's effects last less and less time with each use. Even though Ra's was able to use it for upwards of 600 years and managed okay.
Bruce refuses to rely on anything other than his own innate physical and mental capabilities. He'll make use of powered armor when a threat calls for it, but he sees it as a crutch, and views magical stuff like the Lazarus Pit the same way.
Basically, he's an extreme narcissist that believes in only himself to get the job done, which is why, as we can see, he never accomplished a damn thing.
>just one guy and his butler for most of his career.
Aside from his various sidekicks and proteges, and all of his allies in the Justice League he could've asked for help but no, fuck that, Gotham is his playground and nobody else is allowed in.
If Bruce really cared about the state of Gotham and the well being of its citizens, he'd allow other heroes to help out, but he's ultimately a child who only wants to play by himself.
>le Batman is just as crazy as his villains meme
>we never saw any evidence that Two-Face/Riddler/anybody unaccounted for took over the town or had any dire Arkham City situation that cost thousands of lives.
While it was never mentioned in the show itself. I seem to remember one of the people in charge of BTAS and/or Beyond saying what happened to some of the villains of the former. I think Riddler and one other villain went into the clothing industry together.
He's not crazy, just a selfish manchild.
It's really no wonder he has such universal appeal, he's everything any immature neckbeard would want to be.
It was great when Terry started shit talking the Joker back. Really set him apart from Bruce.
I thought it was more that the crime became more corporate than muggings. Not something so easily fought.
That, and it's something the Joker would never expect from Batman. It would (and did) throw him off completely.
Ha. Ha.
>you make me laugh, but only because I think you're kinda pathetic
Damn son. Dats cold blooded.
Holy shit. I just realized that parallel. That's hilarious.
Yeah right after I typed it I also realized the parallel.
He could. He just didn't want to.
He literally has trained more sidekicks than any other hero, dumbass.
Superman didn't do shit in the Beyond-verse either, by that line of logic. Retard.
It was pure cringe and a stupid ending.
If that was that easy Dick would have defeated the Joker on his own decades ago.
just like Nightwing, Red Hood, etc. this is just another series for people that hate Batman and are too cool for the main version
Due to horrible writers making him act out of character. TAS was a mistake.
I never liked Beyond. Most of the new characters were meh. Best episodes were when we get to know something about how the old foes did end.
>Gotham went from a city stuck in the 40s to a cyberpunk wonderland
>criminals became so weak that even a kid with no training and just a suit could become a hero
terry showed he was clearly capable at fighting
and the suit enhanced his strength
he was pretty competent and clever on most occasions
>ignoring that Terry could work without the suit and ever beat it when it got hacked.
>ignoring the daily training he got on the job from Bruce
>ignoring how Terry got better over time
Oh fuck you and shut up, you can enjoy many forms of Batman and his sidekicks while still loving the original. Fictional chatacters do not need, or deserve loyalty in the way you are describing it. Retard
Or its a different interpretation so it's not just a carbon copy of the comics?
>The most heart-warming part of this was that Terry would not make the same mistakes Bruce did.
Also Bruce getting some amount of healing from Terry
Except is clear why people like this version of Batman
>muh Terry is the best Batman even if is just Spider-Man with a iron man suit
I thought everything went to shit when batman quit. At least that's how JLU retconned it
Just wait till you see the extra episode about this from Justice League Unlimited
"It's clear why people like it" because it's a continuation of the beloved BTAS series. Also because it has a lot of quality on its own.
Not really, but whatever. Go back posting your usual memes about le terry killing all his rogue and how he defeated Joker by quipping.
Yeah, how miserable we must be enjoying thing you don't like.
It was pretty impressive as I'm sure the thing was first pitched to the TAS team as "Batman is old and shit then he has like, a new kid being batman! You know, for teens and the kids?"
It sounds like the most cynical cashgrab but it's on par with TAS and even had harsher villains and bad ends.
Im sure the idea pitched by executives was Batman in highschool so the writers took it and ran with it and because they were creative with the idea it turned into gold.
>Batman in highschool
We really dodged a bullet if that was the pitch.
>creative with the idea
Google Gotham High.
It's everything I feared it would be. Except greenlit.