What are some other comics where the villain wins?

What are some other comics where the villain wins?

Cerebus the Aardvark

In the final issue, the protagonist's evil ex-wife has taken over the world, civilization is near collapse, mankind is doomed, and the protagonist can't do anything about it because he dies and goes to Hell for all eternity. Oh well.

It's a shame Naifeh was so clearly rushing everything like fuck at the end. It was supposedly an ongoing series but it lasted ten issues when there are 12-issue miniseries in the world like Watchmen or Tomboy.

I can speculate he wanted to finally put the series to rest. He'd been doing it on and off for a long time.

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>implying Ozymandias wasn't the hero od the entire thing

>escalates cold war to the very brink of nuclear conflict
>so he could kill 2 million people to stop it

>fakes an alien invasion and kills a million specifically to avoid a hot war that would have killed hundreds of millions

No escalation required from him. The normies were doing it all themselves.

>No escalation required from him.
He's the one that made Dr. Manhattan fuck off to Mars which is exactly why shit started to go down in the first place.

>hot war will be triggered anyway after his death cause he's the only thing holding it all together
>there were a billion easier ways to do this up to and including just having Doctor Manhattan erase any and all projection of force capabilities on both sides

Mankind isn't exactly doomed though. When Cerebus is hiding his new scripture the 'lucid' text in his head says "It won't be found until 2000 years from now, when this part of the sanctuary is torn down for a shopping mall". So it's got a couple of millennia. I also think the rise of Islam in this universe should be understood as an event that going sweep both Cerebus' and Joanne's corrupt religions aside.

Unless you're referring to the Judge's prophecy of a doomsday weapon. How much credit he should be given post ascension is an open question though.

>Implying Ozzy will die like a regular human and not invent the living brain in a jar immortality method

I don't recall villains really winning on this.

>Courtney and her Uncle
>not the villains

But they're not

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If anything, the comic backpedalled making the bullies from the early volumes a bunch of woobies

>Courtney spends six books leading people to death, mindrape and enslavement
>Aloysius literally murders any magician who thinks of leaving thinks of leaving their shitty suburb or being around normies
They were bad people. The other sorcerers got screwed.

>If anything, the comic backpedalled making the bullies from the early volumes a bunch of woobies
They're just dumb kids. And Courtney used pretty vicious magic against them. That was the point. Some 12-year old is a pompous prat so Courtney used magic to make everyone hate him on sight forever? That's monstrous. Seeing things from a perspective other than Courtney's was the point of the first few issues of the final series.

She absolutely didn't give a shit about that kid who got eaten, either.

Things are a little derailed by that series where she made some friend among the wizard kids, though. They just never show up again.

>Courtney spends six books leading people to death, mindrape and enslavement
Oh yeah, poor innocent murderers and shit
>Aloysius literally murders any magician who thinks of leaving thinks of leaving their shitty suburb or being around normies
Now you just making shit up

>Some 12-year old is a pompous prat so Courtney used magic to make everyone hate him on sight forever?
Truth be told, I actually forgot about that one. She didn't think too much ahead of it.

>She absolutely didn't give a shit about that kid who got eaten, either.
That's true, she got along far better with Butterworm, even, though she didn't HAVE to care anyway. That doesn't make her a villain, just a douche. I'm more bothered that I think Butterworm didn't even get any comeuppance, if I recall.

There's some stuff in the first series that just doesn't get brought up. In the issue where she magically brainwashes everyone to like her one of the kids freaks out because she refuses to be around them and starts hating Courtney instead. Some of the other love-zombies turn on her for that and in the final panels of the story she's shown with a cast on on her arm. They fucking broke her arm.

>poor innocent murderers and shit
You mean school kids. And the chick from goblin town that ended up murdered through her antics. And that tiger kid that was bad ridden protecting her who turned out to be Aloysius' dead brother whom he had abandoned in goblin town.
>Now you just making shit up
Did you even read it. He was straight up about to kill a room full of people in the last book.

>And the chick from goblin town that ended up murdered through her antics.
That's kind of unfair; that dude didn't have to shoot her. Courtney didn't cause that.

>>Some 12-year old is a pompous prat so Courtney used magic to make everyone hate him on sight forever?
>Truth be told, I actually forgot about that one. She didn't think too much ahead of it.
Which isn't much of an excuse. Note Aloysius either didn't keep a close eye on what Courtney with potentially dangerous magic or didn't give a shit.

In a part of the series about how some of Courtney's actions are arguably evil, I love how Naifeh had that girl who was just as subject to the hate spell on the boy as anyone but forced herself to be nice to him because no one else would. A genuinely good-heated person.

That wasn't on purpose, though, just magic going WAY out of control. She didn't even know how zombified the kids would get.

>You mean school kids. And the chick from goblin town that ended up murdered through her antics. And that tiger kid that was bad ridden protecting her who turned out to be Aloysius' dead brother whom he had abandoned in goblin town.
I meant that one guy she feeds to Tommy, for instance.

>He was straight up about to kill a room full of people in the last book.
I don't recall everything from the last book, true. But thinking of murdering them for just thinking of leaving? I'd probably remember that. I remember him getting ready to push the Coven's shit in, but they had it coming.

My point is though that Courtney was continually horribly irresponsible if not, occasionally, outright vindictive and everyone around her suffered the brunt of the consequences every single time.
And when a council of wizards want to put a stop to it the get fucked too.

>but they had it coming
Why? If it were me I'd want to move out of a shitty suburb without fear of being murdered too.

>I don't recall everything from the last book, true. But thinking of murdering them for just thinking of leaving? I'd probably remember that. I remember him getting ready to push the Coven's shit in, but they had it coming.
I don't remember the last series that well either (because it was so rushed) but weren't they going to go out and rule the world with their powers or something instead of staying holed up in that one town like they had for so long? Aloysius WOULD kill them over that. The side-story about him as a young man was about just that but with only one witch for him to kill.

The series is almost about misfits Aloysius and Courtney (whose parents are SO lame, bro!) finally finding kindred spirits in each other....but they both fail at that. That panel at the end of the werewolf story where they both look miserable together after Courtney yells at Aloysius. And then in the last series Aloysius betrays Courtney due to his fear of death.

>weren't they going to go out and rule the world
No one had actually said that except for the alarmists who didn't want to leave. The actual coven had only ever mentioned being allowed to leave which is completely reasonable.

They DID end up leaving just without their powers.

I figured that page reminded me more or less, but you made me check anyway... so, the heads of the Coven wanted to abuse the magic they got taught on the world at large, and the whole shit they pulled throughout the series were pointing to that end. What they did to get there more than earned a murdering, including the murder of Goblin Town chick if I'm not wrong. They were lucky they got out of it alive.

>And then in the last series Aloysius betrays Courtney due to his fear of death.
He was trying to catch her before the others did,which would turn out far worse.

I remember people used to like to say Courtney seemed like Granny Weatherwax from Discoworld as a child.

>the heads of the Coven wanted to abuse the magic they got taught on the world
I don't recall anything actually pointing to that. I mean yeah they wanted to go out into the world but as far as their world conquering intentions was more like hearsay and assumptions. The only morally bankrupt sorcerers seemed to be the Crumrins.

Not necessarily "world conquering" that I recall, but you know, there was a rule when they got their magic. I think the actual punishment/end of the deal was exactly what happened. They tried to change a rule that wasn't theirs to question.

And it's shown time and time again how the Coven was morally bankrupt, including manipulating the whole situation to get the Crumrins out of the way.

>They tried to change a rule that wasn't theirs to question.
Bullshit.
>"Hey I don't think we should follow all the rules in this book."
>"Its not your job to think. Now go stone those adulterers to death."

> manipulating the whole situation to get the Crumrins out of the way.
And I must say again, the Crumrins were pieces of shit that constantly ruined lives they came across. They needed to be stopped.

>"Hey I don't think we should follow all the rules in this book."
>"Its not your job to think. Now go stone those adulterers to death."
The answer in this case is "then don't claim to be a catholic".

A closer example is moving to a small town in like, Canada, and someone kindly gives you a gun to protect yourself from bears. You even use it for a bunch of other stuff, but you're not allowed to take it to the next town and rob a bank with it.

Also, you just sound like Jonah Jamson, really. That whole town (and some of the outside magic related communities) was fucked beforehand, it was all just brought to light and addressed due to the Crumrin's interference.

No, that's not a good example at all. It's more like you go to a town and you're allowed to buy a gun but you can't leave town with it but once you get it it's grafted to your arm and you're fucking stuck or you have to get your arm cut off. And why can't you leave? Because someone MIGHT do something bad with it rather than, say, go to other towns that have bears but don't have guns.

>it was all just brought to light and addressed due to the Crumrin's interference.
As I and a few others have said before Courtney was irresponsible and her actions over and over again caused harm to people. She's not some innocent victim. And Aloysius was a fucking assassin.

>The answer in this case is "then don't claim to be a catholic".
Don't dodge the point. Blindly and unquestioningly following rules is not a good thing. It impedes progress, justifies atrocities, and makes you dumb.

Since this is now a Naifeh thread did anyone read Princess Ugg? How is it?

Everything up until the final arc was nice but once again the ending was rushed.

It wasn't blindly and unquestioningly, though. They were given magic to get by in Hillsborough. Period. They wanted to use it for their own greedy purposes at large. If anything, they were just as likely or more than Courtney to start a war with the fey, and without Aloysius on their side, they'd be fucked sideways anyway.

>She's not some innocent victim.
Maybe not, but not the villain. The Coven was way more fucked up.

>And Aloysius was a fucking assassin.
Haven't seen him threatening anyone who didn't have it coming, so it's ok.

I had no clue about this. Guess I gotta look it up.

I heard something about Polly and the Pirates v2 as well, but wasn't able to find it online back then.

> They were given magic to get by in Hillsborough. Period.
So what? If I learn some valuable skills in one place does that mean I can't take them to another place? What sense does that make? And besides they weren't GIVEN anything they learned and studied for it.
>The Coven was way more fucked up.
Based on what? What did they ever actually DO that was fucked up?
>They wanted to use it for their own greedy purposes at large
You keep saying that but that was only ever presented in the comic as speculation.

>Haven't seen him threatening anyone who didn't have it coming, so it's ok.
You haven't adequately explained why the coven "had it coming".

>Maybe not, but not the villain.
"Villain" is a tad strong but she bordered on it. Once again, she was incredibly irresponsible and the Coven was in no way wrong for wanting to take away her magic.

>implying there was a "villain" in Watchmen

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For context: Mandrake and family were slaughtered by ol' Tommy Rawhead and Bloody Bones in volume 2.

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And now, for Uncle A's "victims".

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THE LAAAAW!

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