ITT: Examples of Bad Forced Diversity

I'll starts with the obvious.

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Black Wally West

a plan so bad it died before it went anywhere.

I'm so glad you started another thread about gay iceman. There's aren't enough already.

Why don't they just make a new character instead of changing a character's race or/and sexual orientation? It's beyond retardation.

Because pre-established names sell.

It's still bullshit, but new names would be ignored in favor of known ones.

What's wrong with giving a new character the same name as an old one or revealing their sexual orientation to be something other than straight?

The current Giant Man is a gay latino man who is not Hank Pym

nobody knows he exists, because he's not Hank Pym.

>make an asian character white
MUH WHITEWASHING
>make a straight character gay
MUH PROGRESS

The trinity of degeneracy

To be fair, Hank Pym's had like 7 different identities and is a wife beater so counting on one of his identities for name recognition is full fucking retard.

Also to be fair, that's more of a problem with the fans than the writers unless the books are shit, which again doesn't inherently stem from him being gay or latino or Giant Man.

The bottom line seems to be there's no way to win here.

If a writer really, really wanted to tell that story, fine, but it's a bit improbable that a bunch of writers conveniently around the same time all got the same itch to tell that story.

But they can be fun

>but it's a bit improbable that a bunch of writers conveniently around the same time all got the same itch to tell that story.
What about when writers conveniently around the same time all got the same itch to make everyone EXTREME!!! during the 90s?

They really should have had anyone other than Jean "I'll just abuse my telepathy however I want" Grey reveal it

Because people are capable of change and although it may trigger you to find out your gay tendencies might have a larger meaning, it gives other people hope

nope

In that instance we had a brand new company that was pushing that style to massive commercial success. So everyone had a good reason to want to follow suit.

This current trend isn't even a moneymaker.

And while we're discussing this issue in comics, keep in mind that relying on existing character concepts instead of introducing new ones also prevents property bloat that leads to shit like Convergence or the 75% survival rate of the X-men.

There's only room for so many active characters in a company and heroes don't just "retire". They die or get sent to limbo or something.

except gay people don't change we were born this way so having someone be straight then change to gay is highly insulting

>They really should have had anyone other than Jean "I'll just abuse my telepathy however I want" Grey reveal it
B-but it's ok when Jean does it.

>born this way
I'm gay too, but come on user... you're embarrassing us.

>There's only room for so many active characters in a company and heroes don't just "retire".

They could if marvel and dc had the same approach than 2000ad. 1 year of comics equal 1 years for the characters. This way we could have new generation taking the relay without having a clusterfuck of clones characters

Because the old ones are still alive. It's not like MC2 where it's set in the future and legacy heroes can exist. Right now they're appropriating mantles they don't deserve just to give it to some targetted minority demographic.

Like I think captain americ 2099 is a hot white/hispanic lady, but that's okay because she's captain america in 2099 and time displaced.

Where as Sam wilson being black captain america and being a mouthpiece for shitty political narratives is awful garbage.

The same way Miguel O Hara was Spiderman in 2099 and is also a mixed race guy in the future, and we like him but not black appropriation Miles "one hit and quit" Morales, who wins every fight with one punch and has no character.


This doesn't hold true for legacy characters or chracters taking up a vacant position. For example.

Ms Marvel being arabic is fine because the ms marvel mantle was vacated, and the former user of the mantle upgraded to captain marvel herself, also a mantle with lots of hereos who took it up.

Robbie Reyes, also well recieved had an interesting character and was another legacy character, there's a lot of ghost riders, so it's safe to say that one can be hispanic.

Sam Nova was another one of those heroes, again hispanic, and agaain there's more than one Nova. Although no one like what happened to Dick, until recently that is, people were mostly luke warm to Sam. He's had his moments


Another example of bad appropriation: Kitty Pryde as Starlord, because what the fuck.

I don't know if they still think it could be a money maker or if they thought it could be at some point and now it's too late to do a massive rollback.

>Where as Sam wilson being black captain america
1. Actually Black Captain America is already a thing. His name's Isaiah Bradley and he's been around since 03 and in continuity he's still active and using the name Captain America
2. He's earned the mantle just as much as anyone else has that wore it, more than some.

Kitty got the push because of waifu syndrome, same as Lightning.

There's such a thing as good forced diversity?

When did you decide to be gay?

Pretty dumb decision honestly, given how much you've cut down on your potential partners and the stigma it still faces in some parts of the world. Surely it would have been smarter to decide to be bi?

Really, anyone that chooses to be gay is a fucking idiot. f course no one just "chooses" to be gay it's a mix of factors that influence development without conscious choice that can begin as early as the womb and you're a dumb faggot

Yeah, except Marvel and DC, and their audience, are entirely character oriented. People don't want to read about Batman's grandson. They want to read about Batman.

I was only making fun of you for using the phrase "born this way." In no way am I saying that people choose to be gay. I agree with your last sentence.

to be fair, Claremont tried to retire Scott and Jean.

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Nobody wants NEW GAY MALE LEAD, they want gay Batman and Captain America.

That computer guy from Lang's book? I thought he's poo in the loo.

>continuity he's still active and using the name Captain America
Greatest story never shown on panel.
I wonder what's that kid Doom adopted doing now that his homeland is in middle of civil war.

And what happened? Not muh, forced unretirement and resurrection. Working for Big 2 is a bitch.

I wonder what it was like to live in the days when new characters were coming out all the time, and any new character could potentially be the next big thing.

Oh well!

Just make Sam/Nova gay and call it a day.

Everyone will be pleased.

>time paradox literally make you gay

...

>Examples of Bad Forced Diversity
I think the biggest problem is that current marvel has taken things to ludicrous levels across the whole line.

I mean: I've been reading comics for decades so I *know* that when Batman dies and Dick takes over ... it's not gonna last. Thus Steve getting "old" and Sam taking over as Captain America isn't a big deal to me ... because it won't last (and, in fact, Steve's already been de-aged in the comics).

However they didn't JUST make cap black or thor a girl or ... I mean look at this shit:
0-5 X-Men -> timedisplaced teens
Captain America -> Sam Wilson (or Hydra Steve)
Captain Marvel -> YAAS Queen!
Ghostrider -> hispanic
Hawkeye -> Kate Bishop
Hulk -> asian
Iceman -> gay
Ironman -> black teenage girl
Moonboy and Devil Dinosaur -> Moon Girl (also officially smartest person in MCU)
Ms Marvel -> brown Muslim teenager
She-Hulk -> grey (and going by "hulk")
Spider-Man -> brown teenager/Pete doing his best Tony Stark impression
Spider-Woman -> single mom via literal sperm donor
Thor -> Jane Foster
Venom -> edgy extreme 90's throwback
Wasp -> Nadia (Hanks daughter)
Wolverine -> X-23/Old Man Logan

It's not so much that I have an issue with most of these in isolation, given the nature of the medium, but ALL AT THE SAME TIME???

And that's not even getting into shit like Jessica breaking up with Luke Cage or the Guardians being "grounded" on earth FFS!

Sexual orientation shouldn't come up tat often in comics anyway, since it only comes across when relationships happen, and relationships in comics are almost invariably trash and uninteresting drivel

>ALL AT THE SAME TIME???
all-new, all different, same as it ever was

>Just make Sam/Nova gay and call it a day.
>Everyone will be pleased.

KittyxStarlord happened because waifu and movie push.

Kate Bishop was Hawkeye before all of that m8

i decided to be gay a few years back to prank my friends
to this day i occasionally get them all together and let them fuck me as a joke, they think it's a riot

>Kate Bishop was Hawkeye before all of that m8
I know that (I've read Young Avengers and Fraction's Hawkguy). I was referring to the upcoming ongoing solo book of the same name; just like Jen is going to be the new Hulk solo rather than being She-Hulk.

It's not that I have a problem with Kate being called Hawkeye it's just another example (when taken as a whole) of how the vast majority of the titles have been gender/racebent or otherwise radically altered (Old Man Logan/X-Teens/Gayman).

>However they didn't JUST make cap black or thor a girl or ... I mean look at this shit:
>0-5 X-Men -> timedisplaced teens
Holy shit established X-men characters from another time period and/or dimension are running around, this is totally fucking new!
>Captain America -> Sam Wilson (or Hydra Steve)
Holy shit, an american hero is being mind controlled to be evil and someone other than classic cap is wearing the mantle!
Captain Marvel -> YAAS Queen!
Holy shit, Captain Marvel is a woman!
Ghostrider -> hispanic
Holy shit, there's a new ghost rider!
Hawkeye -> Kate Bishop
Holy shit, literally who cares is literally who!
Hulk -> asian
Holy shit, an established character other than Bruce Banner has been given Hulk powers!
Iceman -> gay
Holy shit, an established character has been revealed to be homosexual!
Ironman -> black teenage girl
Holy shit, someone other than Tony Stark built an exosuit that looks remarkably like Iron Man!
Moonboy and Devil Dinosaur -> Moon Girl (also officially smartest person in MCU)
Legitimately bullshit for a host of in canon reasons, but it's tied into Inhumans so of course it is.
Ms Marvel -> brown Muslim teenager
The fuck is wrong with Kamela?
She-Hulk -> grey (and going by "hulk")
Holy shit, a Hulk changed their color and name!
Spider-Man -> brown teenager/Pete doing his best Tony Stark impression
Legitimately surprising if only because Ultimate Marvel is radioactive.
Spider-Woman -> single mom via literal sperm donor
Holy shit, there's a baby in Marvel that hasn't been taken by time travelers or someone living in an accelerated timespace and returned grown up yet!
Thor -> Jane Foster
Holy shit, there's a new Beta Ray Bill!
Venom -> edgy extreme 90's throwback
I can't even feign surprise at this.
Wasp -> Nadia (Hanks daughter)
Holy shit, a mantel god handed down to the child of a previous holder of said mantel!
Wolverine -> X-23/Old Man Logan
See Wasp and 0-5 X-Men

Hulk turning asian is probably the only thing I missed out mostly because I've been avoiding group comics.

>Where as Sam Wilson being black captain america and being a mouthpiece for shitty political narratives is awful garbage.

I actually like how politically charged Sam is. The comic isn't being a pussy about offending anyone and even if I don't agree with it, it still does a better job at making Sam Captain America than Spider-Gwen's or 2099's Cap by leaps and bounds and sure they are ancillary characters in what they show up in but stronger writers should be on those characters if Marvel wants them to matter.

It's literally just Cho with Hulk powers

Literally nothing wrong with Venom.
and none of the dumb, right?

>dumb
Hulk's not dumb. He's had supermath as a subpower since day one. How do you think he never kills bystanders with all the shit he throws around. He's just antisocial and doesn't talk very well.

>literally nothing wrong with nuvenom
fuck off you corporate shill, that's not even nuvenom, this horseshit is nuvenom

Sams not degenerate, Sam is suffering.

oh shit I totally didn't know.

I thought he went back to his regular self but with Brock or Flash losing the tacticool

>Ms Marvel Being Arabic
She's Pakistani not middle eastern

2/3 can be fun, 1/3 is a mary sue who ends fights with a venom blast. I'll give you a hint which one is the worst of the three.

It's okay, nah, nobody knows what happened to Flash, and we think they're setting up old crazy Brock.

All we know now is that Lee is the coolest thing sincce my chemical romance and that the Venom symbiote is weak against chairs and JNCO jeans.

Nothing can surpass the disappointment that is Toxin losing Pat offscreen.

I heard he's gonna be revived to be a character again soon?

I still think they're setting up Peter Venom and redsuit miles.

Marvel runs on rage at this point.

If Miles got anti-venomed, would it be white-washing?

This what pissed me off the most. As if I needed even more reasons to despise her.

I can think of a million ways to bring Pat back, and I can think of a million books for him. I'm honestly surprised no one's done anything with him. Just make him look like s ymbiote swat officer distinct from Flash.
Make him part of the NYPD's SHTF and have him deal with the threats nomal cops can't hack. You could even give him hybrid's symbiote dog as the K-9 unit of the super human task force. Bam, thing writes itself.
I'll be honest, that's what I was thinking.

It would be extremely painful.

Killing the cop that got back together with his estranged wife and newborn kid and competently low level heroed on the side offpanel was the biggest fuck you to fans of the genre in general.

It was the death of closure.

Venoms already black

There will be no such examples as OP's pic, it either that just other characters under already established name (all marlel current heroes), or it is character from rebooted universe like Alan Scott being homosexualist, or Brolly.
But granted marlel is 1000x more cancerous than DChads, when they even made Pater Parker into Miles Morales surroundings judging by the trailer of Homecoming.

On top of that he died in a gutter and to a villain he wasn't even fucking related to.

>there's a baby in Marvel that hasn't been taken by time travelers or someone living in an accelerated timespace and returned grown up yet!
I've been legit amazed that Dani Cage has lasted this long as a toddler, senpai.

We've currently got (off the top of my head):
Danelle Cage
Spider-Woman's kid
Jubilee's adopted kid
And Kung-Fu Girl (the new Iron Fist in the upcoming Iron Fists ... although she's like 8 years old or so and might not count).

Havok and Wasp's kid will apparently never be heard from again.

these arent that bad are they, I havent read champions yet but they seemed kinda cool in the avengers books

It was a mind control subplot that they haven't resolved yet.

starwars
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Entrenched raceism doesnt let them see that option as viable, you have to be super progressive and throw them a white super hero because thats not being condescending and racist to literally everyone, nope not at all.

Robberts first appearance was in the early 60's hes an established character, and making him gay is insulting to gay and straight people.

This, except swap raceism with prejudice.

I never understood why changing a characters race or gender is automatically perceived as forced diversity. Characters and heroes and who plays them changes all the time I mean ironman was changed on a genetic level and no one seems to care all that much.

People are still anally sore about this?

Sam and Kamala are. Miles can go fuck himself.

Why and how is teen Grey so hot?

Is it because IS THERE PORN??

Because it's as much about punishing the evil whites as it is uplifting the supposedly helpless minority.

>n-no all these things happened at the same time purely by coincidence it has nothing to do with D*sney's progressive agenda honest!
dat damage control

do they even pay you interns

Not muh was pretty steady in the letters early years of UXM. They just kept on dpng their thing though. Kurt buisick's letter regarding the nanny issues is a giod example of this. There was a time when Marvel was very selective with what they did and did not listen to.

I suppose you kinda proved your own point considering that Raz is Indian not Latino

Sam is good, Kamala is kinda SJW, and Miles just sort of...exists.

>Sam is good
Samfags need to leave

Fuck you. Kamala is great.

Don't say we didn't warn you.

speaking as a black guy, forcing Storm and Black Panther to get married annoyed me.

It's like a bunch of middle school white kids going "you look so cute together, you just... match"

For some reason these three don't annoy me as much as Ms.Marvel, or female thor.

shut up waifutard

>perfect opening for a bi character given Bobby's history of womanizing
>could actually explore how past Bobby's desires conflict with present Bobby's genuine love for the women he's dated
>in the end we could talk for ages about whether or not a brief snapshot of sexual desire in a hormonal teen's mind make Jean Grey able to correctly diagnose sexuality

And then they shoot it all down, because a straight woman telling a queer guy "no, you're not bi," never happens in real life and wouldn't be deeply insulting to many readers and in fact damaging to some of the young male ones this hack was trying to make feel included

Fuck this shit so hard

Didn't you hear user? When a male character that has exclusively dated women in the past shows interest in a man, it must mean that they were secretly gay all along! All those past relationships with women failed not because of interpersonal conflict, but because the man was using them to hide his dick lust.

>Right now they're appropriating mantles they don't deserve just to give it to some targetted minority demographic.

Cassandra Cain took up a mantle that was open for 20 years and look what happened there.

Two decades of growth for her predecessor where tossed down the garbage and she got booted to limbo for years herself because DC editorial is all NOT MUH

The writer was black and it was essentially his OTP. He talks about it in theessays at the back of the second KIRBY/lee FF omni.

I just want to see a really disgruntled Monica cosplayer go around and photobomb Carol pics

>gay batman
oh my, yes

Is that easy?
If I stare at cocks long enough will I get gay and liberated from the oppressive yoke of pussy?

To be fair, Cass had been completely ruined before New 52, and Morrison was the only one trying to get her back on track.
Modern Cass with her rebooted origin is in a far better place.